The Pope's Economic Plan

Pope Francis, they're calling him the Obama of Popes

ok but lets not forget that the Church challenged Ancient Rome and in so doing forever diminished the power of central govt. Same thing again when it challenged Moscow and Red China in the 1980's. Mostly its been a countervailing force against central govt that valued the individual. I agree, though, its a shame that most Pope's will be air head Marxist libcommies.
 
How does the "greed" claim fit with the fact that, unlike with government, folks willingly give their money in exchange for goods and services that they need and want?
People also willingly give their money to Ponzi Schemes as well.

The Pope is no different than those 3 Card Monte criminals on commit their crimes on the street corners of New Yawk.
 
"The ideology of Marxism is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended," Francis was quoted as saying. Defending his criticism of the "trickle-down" theory of economics, he added: "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit. But what happens is that when it's full to the brim, the glass magically grows, and thus nothing ever comes out for the poor ... I repeat: I did not talk as a specialist but according to the social doctrine of the church. And this does not mean being a Marxist."

Pope says he is not a Marxist but defends criticism of capitalism World news theguardian.com




"But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people."
Except for the fact that Marxism is responsible for over 100 million human beings slaughtered in its name in the last century.
Simply those 'good people' breaking some eggs to make an omelette.




1. "Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."




2. As far back as 1890, English Marxist Eduard Bernstein began to observe the positive effects of capitalism on living standards, and that the reality was that the numbers of the rich were growing more rapidly than those of the poor, while the vast majority was falling into a category that socialism didn’t anticipate, the middle class.



3.Older socialists dreamed of a world in which all classes would share in the fruits of the world. Yet when a permutation of this emerges, it is resented if it represents capitalism. An institution beyond the imaginings of socialists of old: Wal-Mart. Within Wal-Mart we see a cornucopia of goods designed to improve human well-being, at prices that make them affordable for all. Millions of jobs are created, and prosperity is spread throughout areas where it was sorely needed. An entity owned by share-holders, people of mostly moderate incomes who have invested their savings, worker-capitalists."
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=05
 
"Marxists are nice people!"

No they're not.They wanna' end your way of life and replace it with a Fascist Hell on Earth.

If you knew what they really were you'd hang them all from the light posts.

My Aunt used to say shit like that: "Oh but they meant well. He has a nice heart!"

No he doesn't. He's a f*ckin' idiot. Just look at the results of his actions.
 
"The ideology of Marxism is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended," Francis was quoted as saying. Defending his criticism of the "trickle-down" theory of economics, he added: "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit. But what happens is that when it's full to the brim, the glass magically grows, and thus nothing ever comes out for the poor ... I repeat: I did not talk as a specialist but according to the social doctrine of the church. And this does not mean being a Marxist."

Pope says he is not a Marxist but defends criticism of capitalism World news theguardian.com




"But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people."
Except for the fact that Marxism is responsible for over 100 million human beings slaughtered in its name in the last century.
Simply those 'good people' breaking some eggs to make an omelette.




1. "Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."




2. As far back as 1890, English Marxist Eduard Bernstein began to observe the positive effects of capitalism on living standards, and that the reality was that the numbers of the rich were growing more rapidly than those of the poor, while the vast majority was falling into a category that socialism didn’t anticipate, the middle class.



3.Older socialists dreamed of a world in which all classes would share in the fruits of the world. Yet when a permutation of this emerges, it is resented if it represents capitalism. An institution beyond the imaginings of socialists of old: Wal-Mart. Within Wal-Mart we see a cornucopia of goods designed to improve human well-being, at prices that make them affordable for all. Millions of jobs are created, and prosperity is spread throughout areas where it was sorely needed. An entity owned by share-holders, people of mostly moderate incomes who have invested their savings, worker-capitalists."
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=05

We are talking about a guy who represents Christianity, responsible for maybe billions of people suffering...

1. Christianity, 2. Islam, 3. maybe marxism somewhere here...
 
"The ideology of Marxism is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended," Francis was quoted as saying. Defending his criticism of the "trickle-down" theory of economics, he added: "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit. But what happens is that when it's full to the brim, the glass magically grows, and thus nothing ever comes out for the poor ... I repeat: I did not talk as a specialist but according to the social doctrine of the church. And this does not mean being a Marxist."

Pope says he is not a Marxist but defends criticism of capitalism World news theguardian.com




"But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people."
Except for the fact that Marxism is responsible for over 100 million human beings slaughtered in its name in the last century.
Simply those 'good people' breaking some eggs to make an omelette.




1. "Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."




2. As far back as 1890, English Marxist Eduard Bernstein began to observe the positive effects of capitalism on living standards, and that the reality was that the numbers of the rich were growing more rapidly than those of the poor, while the vast majority was falling into a category that socialism didn’t anticipate, the middle class.



3.Older socialists dreamed of a world in which all classes would share in the fruits of the world. Yet when a permutation of this emerges, it is resented if it represents capitalism. An institution beyond the imaginings of socialists of old: Wal-Mart. Within Wal-Mart we see a cornucopia of goods designed to improve human well-being, at prices that make them affordable for all. Millions of jobs are created, and prosperity is spread throughout areas where it was sorely needed. An entity owned by share-holders, people of mostly moderate incomes who have invested their savings, worker-capitalists."
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=05

We are talking about a guy who represents Christianity, responsible for maybe billions of people suffering...

1. Christianity, 2. Islam, 3. maybe marxism somewhere here...





Try to be articulate.....what does your post have to do with the post to which you have linked?
 
"The ideology of Marxism is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended," Francis was quoted as saying. Defending his criticism of the "trickle-down" theory of economics, he added: "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit. But what happens is that when it's full to the brim, the glass magically grows, and thus nothing ever comes out for the poor ... I repeat: I did not talk as a specialist but according to the social doctrine of the church. And this does not mean being a Marxist."

Pope says he is not a Marxist but defends criticism of capitalism World news theguardian.com




"But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people."
Except for the fact that Marxism is responsible for over 100 million human beings slaughtered in its name in the last century.
Simply those 'good people' breaking some eggs to make an omelette.




1. "Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."




2. As far back as 1890, English Marxist Eduard Bernstein began to observe the positive effects of capitalism on living standards, and that the reality was that the numbers of the rich were growing more rapidly than those of the poor, while the vast majority was falling into a category that socialism didn’t anticipate, the middle class.



3.Older socialists dreamed of a world in which all classes would share in the fruits of the world. Yet when a permutation of this emerges, it is resented if it represents capitalism. An institution beyond the imaginings of socialists of old: Wal-Mart. Within Wal-Mart we see a cornucopia of goods designed to improve human well-being, at prices that make them affordable for all. Millions of jobs are created, and prosperity is spread throughout areas where it was sorely needed. An entity owned by share-holders, people of mostly moderate incomes who have invested their savings, worker-capitalists."
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=05

We are talking about a guy who represents Christianity, responsible for maybe billions of people suffering...

1. Christianity, 2. Islam, 3. maybe marxism somewhere here...





Try to be articulate.....what does your post have to do with the post to which you have linked?

You claim all marxists are bad because marxism caused so many bad things.

I am agreeing with you...
 
": "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit.
And OMG did they!!


The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau, taken from a variety of government reports:

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46 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

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80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

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Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.

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The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

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Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

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97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

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78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.

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62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

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89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.As a group, America’s poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100-percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, super-nourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.While the poor are generally well-nourished, some poor families do experience temporary food shortages. But, even this condition is relatively rare; 89 percent of the poor report their families have “enough” food to eat, while only two percent say they “often” do not have enough to eat.Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR, or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.Of course, the living conditions of the average poor American should not be taken as representing all of the nation’s poor: There is a wide range of living conditions among the poor. A third of “poor” households have both cell and land-line telephones. A third also telephone answering machines. At the other extreme, approximately one-tenth of families in poverty have no phone at all. Similarly, while the majority of poor households do not experience significant material problems, roughly a third do experience at least one problem such as overcrowding, temporary hunger, or difficulty getting medical care.Much official poverty that does exist in the United States can be reduced, particularly among children. There are two main reasons that American children are poor: Their parents don’t work much, and their fathers are absent from the home.
 
": "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit.
And OMG did it!!


The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau, taken from a variety of government reports:

bullet_blue.gif
46 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

bullet_blue.gif
80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

bullet_blue.gif
Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.

bullet_blue.gif
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

bullet_blue.gif
Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

bullet_blue.gif
97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

bullet_blue.gif
78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.

bullet_blue.gif
62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

bullet_blue.gif
89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.As a group, America’s poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100-percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, super-nourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.While the poor are generally well-nourished, some poor families do experience temporary food shortages. But, even this condition is relatively rare; 89 percent of the poor report their families have “enough” food to eat, while only two percent say they “often” do not have enough to eat.Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR, or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.Of course, the living conditions of the average poor American should not be taken as representing all of the nation’s poor: There is a wide range of living conditions among the poor. A third of “poor” households have both cell and land-line telephones. A third also telephone answering machines. At the other extreme, approximately one-tenth of families in poverty have no phone at all. Similarly, while the majority of poor households do not experience significant material problems, roughly a third do experience at least one problem such as overcrowding, temporary hunger, or difficulty getting medical care.Much official poverty that does exist in the United States can be reduced, particularly among children. There are two main reasons that American children are poor: Their parents don’t work much, and their fathers are absent from the home.


and these two main problems were caused by liberals!
 
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The Pope is much more on God's business than anyone who has posted above. I am not even Catholic. But to a normal, objective individual, the comparison of a Francis's understand of what is needed in the world to that of our little buddy is so obvious: the difference between a good person with her callow indifference toward others.

Tis what it is.
 
": "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit.
And OMG did they!!


The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau, taken from a variety of government reports:

bullet_blue.gif
46 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

bullet_blue.gif
80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

bullet_blue.gif
Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.

bullet_blue.gif
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

bullet_blue.gif
Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

bullet_blue.gif
97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

bullet_blue.gif
78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.

bullet_blue.gif
62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

bullet_blue.gif
89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.As a group, America’s poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100-percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, super-nourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.While the poor are generally well-nourished, some poor families do experience temporary food shortages. But, even this condition is relatively rare; 89 percent of the poor report their families have “enough” food to eat, while only two percent say they “often” do not have enough to eat.Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR, or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.Of course, the living conditions of the average poor American should not be taken as representing all of the nation’s poor: There is a wide range of living conditions among the poor. A third of “poor” households have both cell and land-line telephones. A third also telephone answering machines. At the other extreme, approximately one-tenth of families in poverty have no phone at all. Similarly, while the majority of poor households do not experience significant material problems, roughly a third do experience at least one problem such as overcrowding, temporary hunger, or difficulty getting medical care.Much official poverty that does exist in the United States can be reduced, particularly among children. There are two main reasons that American children are poor: Their parents don’t work much, and their fathers are absent from the home.

I agree, but I think the Pope is thinking more globally than that...
 
": "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit.
And OMG did they!!


The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau, taken from a variety of government reports:

bullet_blue.gif
46 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

bullet_blue.gif
80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

bullet_blue.gif
Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.

bullet_blue.gif
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

bullet_blue.gif
Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

bullet_blue.gif
97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

bullet_blue.gif
78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.

bullet_blue.gif
62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

bullet_blue.gif
89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.As a group, America’s poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100-percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, super-nourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.While the poor are generally well-nourished, some poor families do experience temporary food shortages. But, even this condition is relatively rare; 89 percent of the poor report their families have “enough” food to eat, while only two percent say they “often” do not have enough to eat.Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR, or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.Of course, the living conditions of the average poor American should not be taken as representing all of the nation’s poor: There is a wide range of living conditions among the poor. A third of “poor” households have both cell and land-line telephones. A third also telephone answering machines. At the other extreme, approximately one-tenth of families in poverty have no phone at all. Similarly, while the majority of poor households do not experience significant material problems, roughly a third do experience at least one problem such as overcrowding, temporary hunger, or difficulty getting medical care.Much official poverty that does exist in the United States can be reduced, particularly among children. There are two main reasons that American children are poor: Their parents don’t work much, and their fathers are absent from the home.


I agree, but I think the Pope is thinking more globally than that...

well China just switched to Republican Capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the world's poverty!
 
": "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit.
And OMG did they!!


The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau, taken from a variety of government reports:

bullet_blue.gif
46 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

bullet_blue.gif
80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

bullet_blue.gif
Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.

bullet_blue.gif
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

bullet_blue.gif
Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

bullet_blue.gif
97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

bullet_blue.gif
78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.

bullet_blue.gif
62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

bullet_blue.gif
89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.As a group, America’s poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100-percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, super-nourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.While the poor are generally well-nourished, some poor families do experience temporary food shortages. But, even this condition is relatively rare; 89 percent of the poor report their families have “enough” food to eat, while only two percent say they “often” do not have enough to eat.Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR, or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.Of course, the living conditions of the average poor American should not be taken as representing all of the nation’s poor: There is a wide range of living conditions among the poor. A third of “poor” households have both cell and land-line telephones. A third also telephone answering machines. At the other extreme, approximately one-tenth of families in poverty have no phone at all. Similarly, while the majority of poor households do not experience significant material problems, roughly a third do experience at least one problem such as overcrowding, temporary hunger, or difficulty getting medical care.Much official poverty that does exist in the United States can be reduced, particularly among children. There are two main reasons that American children are poor: Their parents don’t work much, and their fathers are absent from the home.

I agree, but I think the Pope is thinking more globally than that...

well China just switched to Republican Capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the world's poverty!


:D

You might be right about that...
 
The Pope is much more on God's business than anyone who has posted above. I am not even Catholic. But to a normal, objective individual, the comparison of a Francis's understand of what is needed in the world to that of our little buddy is so obvious: the difference between a good person with her callow indifference toward others.

Tis what it is.





1. The only way to understand your post vis-a-vis this thread is that your understanding of either history or economics is vacuous at best.


2. "But to a normal, objective individual,..."
If that is how you view yourself, you must have a low opinion of humanity.


3. "...the comparison of a Francis's understand (sic) of what is needed...."
I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Marxism is far from 'what is needed.'
 
How does the "greed" claim fit with the fact that, unlike with government, folks willingly give their money in exchange for goods and services that they need and want?
People also willingly give their money to Ponzi Schemes as well.

The Pope is no different than those 3 Card Monte criminals on commit their crimes on the street corners of New Yawk.



Hey.....are making fun of my peeps????
 
Pope Francis is a fucking Communist who can go fuck himself
Oh no Frank, NO! Don't you know you'll go to Hell for even SAYING such a thing?

We should all bow down and kiss His Holiness's ring and do whatever he says!

He wears a fish mouth hat for gods sakes Frank! What more proof do you need that he is to be worshiped?


Is that Obama of whom you speak??

Aren't the Liberals embarrassed enough that they called him the messiah???
 
": "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit.
And OMG did they!!


The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau, taken from a variety of government reports:

bullet_blue.gif
46 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

bullet_blue.gif
80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

bullet_blue.gif
Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.

bullet_blue.gif
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

bullet_blue.gif
Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

bullet_blue.gif
97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

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78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.

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62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

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89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.As a group, America’s poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100-percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, super-nourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.While the poor are generally well-nourished, some poor families do experience temporary food shortages. But, even this condition is relatively rare; 89 percent of the poor report their families have “enough” food to eat, while only two percent say they “often” do not have enough to eat.Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR, or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.Of course, the living conditions of the average poor American should not be taken as representing all of the nation’s poor: There is a wide range of living conditions among the poor. A third of “poor” households have both cell and land-line telephones. A third also telephone answering machines. At the other extreme, approximately one-tenth of families in poverty have no phone at all. Similarly, while the majority of poor households do not experience significant material problems, roughly a third do experience at least one problem such as overcrowding, temporary hunger, or difficulty getting medical care.Much official poverty that does exist in the United States can be reduced, particularly among children. There are two main reasons that American children are poor: Their parents don’t work much, and their fathers are absent from the home.

I agree, but I think the Pope is thinking more globally than that...




13. Pope Francis has latched onto an economic platform that could easily be described as socialism, or Marxism, and big government corporatism.


His aim may be "global"....to both benefit the poor, and increase the influence of his church......


...but the following should give him pause:

a. The percentage of Americans who attend and belong to a church has remained constant for over 70 years. But predominantly liberal mainline Protestant denominations have lost members for over 50 years.....big time!


“From 1960 to 1988, mainline church membership declined from 31 million to 25 million, then fell to 21 million in 2005.[6][7]Today, they are a minority among American Protestants, claiming approximately 15 percent of American adults among their adherents.[8]
Mainline Protestant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




Whatever could be behind the loss of fifty percent of their fellowship?


Anyone conversant with the way, way far out Left swing of those mainline churches?


See a pattern?
 
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14. What happens when the Marxists get their claws into the Protestant Church?

The Social Gospel enthusiasts switched the aim from labor rights to attacks on the “profit motive,” …capitalism.


a. “The church, therefore, in the opinion of the federation, must accept
the Marxist point of view…The federation, therefore, wants the religious leaders to preach areligious creed, not based upon the Bible and in defense of the American way of life, but one that is based upon the atheistic foundationsof the philosophy of Marx. The federation wants the ministers todeclare their judgment against the social economic system under whichAmericans live and prosper today in favor of the Socialist system,which in Russia and the satellite countries has brought the peoples.”
Read the eBook Investigation of Communist activities in the New York City area. Hearings Volume pt. 5-6 pp. 1969-2143 by United States. Congress. House. Committee on Un-Am online for free page 22 of 24




b. In the early Twenties the Communist Party made considerable gains in its program to infiltrate the churches. This effort was led by such prominent "American" clergymen as Harry F. Ward ("one of the leading collaborators of, andapologistsfor, the Soviet Union."...), Jerome Davis, William B. Spofford, and Albert Rhys Williams. at the 1942 convention of the Federal Council of Churchescalled for:

Ultimately,"a worldgovernment of delegated powers." Complete abandonment of U.S. isolationism. Strong immediate limitations on national sovereignty. International control of all armies and navies. A universal system of money.... Worldwide freedom of immigration. Progressive elimination of all tariff and quota restrictions on world trade .... A "democratically controlled" international bank ....
APOSTASY -- The National Council Of Churches



Did Pope Francis, or the Protestant leaders notice that Marxism is based on atheism?

Should have been a clue in there.....



Could it be that their elite’s rejection of traditional beliefs and embrace of the Gospel of “social justice” has something to do with the Liberal churches losing fully a half of their membership?


Seems undeniable.
 

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