The Pope is a flat earther guy!!!

[Old Rocks]

Guy is going medieval on us!!!

Green Pope Goes Medieval on Planet - The Daily Beast


Has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a Marxist agenda.................f'ing duh!!!


"Ultimately the green platform seeks not to increase living standards as we currently understand them (particularly in high income countries) but to purposely lower them."

If you look at the background of the country where Francis comes from, should be of no surprise!!


And lets not forget.........going green necessarily means poor people get poorer. I can throw up about 253,000 links............by request.

As if deniers care anything about the poor.....hilarious.

lol............what a naïve dummy. Pursuit of green energy only makes poor people poorer. Even an idiot knows that!!


How Obama s green energy policies are bad for the poor Washington Examiner



LOL.....even Obama said it himself!!!!

Major surprise, the President was wrong. The research programs he put into place has brought the cost of both wind and solar to below 4 cents per kw, versus 6.6 cents per kw for dirty coal, and 6.1 for natural gas. Add Grid Scale batteries to the mix, and now coal is history. The President programs will have the result of actually lowering our costs for electricity. In fact, the rise in prices for electricity has actually declined since we started installing wind and solar.

 

[Old Rocks]

Kinda diggin the bottom of the barrel there for Science endorsements aren't you? Were ANY of those statements put to a vote of members? Was there any REPRESENTATION from congregational leaders?

Love this in the Methodist statement..

"According to the IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios (SRES), by the end of the 21st century, we could expect to see carbon dioxide concentrations of anywhere from 490 to 1260 ppmv (75-350 percent above the pre-industrial concentration);"

Was there any publicly accessible DEBATE on these resolutions? Because 490 is NOT a crisis and 1260 is not likely to happen. Even if it DID happen -- It would not produce temperatures approaching a catastrophe.

Show me ONE of these resolutions for which there was recorded debate...

That 490 ppm is not a crisis is your personal opinion, and not that of actual scientists.

GW.html

Predicting the Long Term Future
All of the above numbers came from actual measurements; none came from computer models. In order to make statements about the future, however, theories and computer models are needed. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), established in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization andthe United Nations Environmental Programme,issued a 572 page report (The Science of Climate Change) in 1995 which included the results of many computer models. In its Summary for Policymakerson page 3, the following two bullets are of particular interest here:

• "If carbon dioxide emissions were maintained at near current (1994) levels," (i.e. 6 GtC per year), "they would lead to a nearly constant rate of increase in atmospheric concentrations for at least two centuries, reaching 500 ppmv (approaching twice the pre-industrial concentration of 280 ppmv) by the end of the 21st century."
  
  
• "A range of carbon cycle models indicates that stabilization of atmospheric carbon dioxide at 450, 650 or 1000 ppmv" (i.e. holding it at 1.6, 2.3 and 3.6 times the pre-industrial level) "could be achieved only if global anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions drop to 1990 levels by, respectively, approximately 40, 140 or 240 years from now, and drop substantially below 1990 levels subsequently."

The first bullet says immediately holding the global anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission rate forever constant at the 1994 level is not good enough. The second bullet says if it is desired to "stabilize'' the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration ( i.e. holdingits value constant forever) at some level higher than today, the global anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission rate in the long term (century scale) must be substantially belowthe 1994 value.

 

[Liminal]

Guy is going medieval on us!!!

Green Pope Goes Medieval on Planet - The Daily Beast


Has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a Marxist agenda.................f'ing duh!!!


"Ultimately the green platform seeks not to increase living standards as we currently understand them (particularly in high income countries) but to purposely lower them."

If you look at the background of the country where Francis comes from, should be of no surprise!!


And lets not forget.........going green necessarily means poor people get poorer. I can throw up about 253,000 links............by request.

As if deniers care anything about the poor.....hilarious.

lol............what a naïve dummy. Pursuit of green energy only makes poor people poorer. Even an idiot knows that!!


How Obama s green energy policies are bad for the poor Washington Examiner



LOL.....even Obama said it himself!!!!

No doubt something every idiot knows for sure.

 

[flacaltenn]

Kinda diggin the bottom of the barrel there for Science endorsements aren't you? Were ANY of those statements put to a vote of members? Was there any REPRESENTATION from congregational leaders?

Love this in the Methodist statement..

"According to the IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios (SRES), by the end of the 21st century, we could expect to see carbon dioxide concentrations of anywhere from 490 to 1260 ppmv (75-350 percent above the pre-industrial concentration);"

Was there any publicly accessible DEBATE on these resolutions? Because 490 is NOT a crisis and 1260 is not likely to happen. Even if it DID happen -- It would not produce temperatures approaching a catastrophe.

Show me ONE of these resolutions for which there was recorded debate...

That 490 ppm is not a crisis is your personal opinion, and not that of actual scientists.

GW.html

Predicting the Long Term Future
All of the above numbers came from actual measurements; none came from computer models. In order to make statements about the future, however, theories and computer models are needed. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), established in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization andthe United Nations Environmental Programme,issued a 572 page report (The Science of Climate Change) in 1995 which included the results of many computer models. In its Summary for Policymakerson page 3, the following two bullets are of particular interest here:

• "If carbon dioxide emissions were maintained at near current (1994) levels," (i.e. 6 GtC per year), "they would lead to a nearly constant rate of increase in atmospheric concentrations for at least two centuries, reaching 500 ppmv (approaching twice the pre-industrial concentration of 280 ppmv) by the end of the 21st century."
  
  
• "A range of carbon cycle models indicates that stabilization of atmospheric carbon dioxide at 450, 650 or 1000 ppmv" (i.e. holding it at 1.6, 2.3 and 3.6 times the pre-industrial level) "could be achieved only if global anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions drop to 1990 levels by, respectively, approximately 40, 140 or 240 years from now, and drop substantially below 1990 levels subsequently."

The first bullet says immediately holding the global anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission rate forever constant at the 1994 level is not good enough. The second bullet says if it is desired to "stabilize'' the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration ( i.e. holdingits value constant forever) at some level higher than today, the global anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission rate in the long term (century scale) must be substantially belowthe 1994 value.

You are kidding right? This is a new twist to CATASTROPHIC Global Warming.. We are doomed since 1994..
Something less than a SINGLE DOUBLING by 2100 is a CATASTROPHE ????? 500ppm???

You need a couple drinks and a grape-feeding wench.. You are seriously wound way too tight..
OF COURSE the activist anti-fossil crowd is gonna SAY that. They don't have the Science that would make me want to spend TRILLs of $$$ fixing something that ain't gonna break at 500ppm...

 

[flacaltenn]

Guy is going medieval on us!!!

Green Pope Goes Medieval on Planet - The Daily Beast


Has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a Marxist agenda.................f'ing duh!!!


"Ultimately the green platform seeks not to increase living standards as we currently understand them (particularly in high income countries) but to purposely lower them."

If you look at the background of the country where Francis comes from, should be of no surprise!!


And lets not forget.........going green necessarily means poor people get poorer. I can throw up about 253,000 links............by request.

As if deniers care anything about the poor.....hilarious.

lol............what a naïve dummy. Pursuit of green energy only makes poor people poorer. Even an idiot knows that!!


How Obama s green energy policies are bad for the poor Washington Examiner



LOL.....even Obama said it himself!!!!

Major surprise, the President was wrong. The research programs he put into place has brought the cost of both wind and solar to below 4 cents per kw, versus 6.6 cents per kw for dirty coal, and 6.1 for natural gas. Add Grid Scale batteries to the mix, and now coal is history. The President programs will have the result of actually lowering our costs for electricity. In fact, the rise in prices for electricity has actually declined since we started installing wind and solar.

There is no wind or solar at 0.04/KWhr that isn't subsidized or granted some slack in some accounting fashion.
Last time you claimed the Saudi's did it -- we found that they got dirt cheap loans to cover 85% of project costs AND the LAND underneath this solar installation for free..

 

[skookerasbil]

Guy is going medieval on us!!!

Green Pope Goes Medieval on Planet - The Daily Beast


Has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a Marxist agenda.................f'ing duh!!!


"Ultimately the green platform seeks not to increase living standards as we currently understand them (particularly in high income countries) but to purposely lower them."

If you look at the background of the country where Francis comes from, should be of no surprise!!


And lets not forget.........going green necessarily means poor people get poorer. I can throw up about 253,000 links............by request.

As if deniers care anything about the poor.....hilarious.

lol............what a naïve dummy. Pursuit of green energy only makes poor people poorer. Even an idiot knows that!!


How Obama s green energy policies are bad for the poor Washington Examiner



LOL.....even Obama said it himself!!!!

Major surprise, the President was wrong. The research programs he put into place has brought the cost of both wind and solar to below 4 cents per kw, versus 6.6 cents per kw for dirty coal, and 6.1 for natural gas. Add Grid Scale batteries to the mix, and now coal is history. The President programs will have the result of actually lowering our costs for electricity. In fact, the rise in prices for electricity has actually declined since we started installing wind and solar.

There is no wind or solar at 0.04/KWhr that isn't subsidized or granted some slack in some accounting fashion.
Last time you claimed the Saudi's did it -- we found that they got dirt cheap loans to cover 85% of project costs AND the LAND underneath this solar installation for free..

Exactly.......what is never spoken by advocates of wind and solar is that the companies ALL collapse overnight without mega-subsidies.


Anyway........everything I have seen on this forum about costs of the major renewables = total fabrication. The truth actually is THIS >>>

"Adding up the net energy cost and the net capacity cost of the five low-carbon alternatives, far and away the most expensive is solar. It costs almost 19 cents more per KWH than power from the coal or gas plants that it displaces. Wind power is the second most expensive. It costs nearly 6 cents more per KWH. Gas combined cycle is the least expensive. It does not cost more than the cost of power from the coal or less efficient gas plants that it displaces. Indeed, it costs about 3 cents less per KWH."



Read the Brookings study >>

Why the Best Path to a Low-Carbon Future is Not Wind or Solar Power Brookings Institution


Every single reputable source ( including the Obama EIA ) states that renewables will continue to be a fringe energy source for decades. Why? Because it is expensive as hell. Its not even debatable.



In 2015, and we see it every day in the Obama White House press conferences......progressives will say anything.......ANYTHING......because they consistently casually take the risk that most folks wont do their own research.


f'ing ghey



Oh.....and coal history?


Perhaps...........but not until well into the 21st century and at least out to 2050. But don't take my word for it.........google it and look at any graph NOT sponsored by some k00k green energy group.

 

[skookerasbil]

Hmmm............sure looks like coal is on its way out!!! Who knows................maybe by next week!!!!


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Which side is not winning??

 

[Old Rocks]

Guy is going medieval on us!!!

Green Pope Goes Medieval on Planet - The Daily Beast


Has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a Marxist agenda.................f'ing duh!!!


"Ultimately the green platform seeks not to increase living standards as we currently understand them (particularly in high income countries) but to purposely lower them."

If you look at the background of the country where Francis comes from, should be of no surprise!!


And lets not forget.........going green necessarily means poor people get poorer. I can throw up about 253,000 links............by request.

As if deniers care anything about the poor.....hilarious.

lol............what a naïve dummy. Pursuit of green energy only makes poor people poorer. Even an idiot knows that!!


How Obama s green energy policies are bad for the poor Washington Examiner



LOL.....even Obama said it himself!!!!

Major surprise, the President was wrong. The research programs he put into place has brought the cost of both wind and solar to below 4 cents per kw, versus 6.6 cents per kw for dirty coal, and 6.1 for natural gas. Add Grid Scale batteries to the mix, and now coal is history. The President programs will have the result of actually lowering our costs for electricity. In fact, the rise in prices for electricity has actually declined since we started installing wind and solar.

There is no wind or solar at 0.04/KWhr that isn't subsidized or granted some slack in some accounting fashion.
Last time you claimed the Saudi's did it -- we found that they got dirt cheap loans to cover 85% of project costs AND the LAND underneath this solar installation for free..

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

“Wind was on sale — it was a Blue Light Special,” said Jay Godfrey, managing director of renewable energy for the company. He noted that Oklahoma, unlike many states, did not require utilities to buy power from renewable sources.

“We were doing it because it made sense for our ratepayers,” he said.

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

So, the article states "without subsidies". And that was then for solar.

 

[Old Rocks]

Cheapest Solar Ever Austin Energy Gets 1.2 Gigawatts of Solar Bids for Less Than 4 Cents Greentech Media

A lot more cheap solar is coming for Austin, Texas.

The city's utility, Austin Energy, just released new data on developer bids for PV projects as part of a 600-megawatt procurement. The numbers show how far solar prices have come down over the last year -- and will continue to drop.

According to Khalil Shalabi, Austin Energy's vice president of resource planning, the utility received offers for 7,976 megawatts of projects after issuing a request for bids in April. Out of those bids, 1,295 megawatts of projects were priced below 4 cents per kilowatt-hour.

"The technology is getting better and the prices are decreasing with time," said Shalabi during a presentation in front of the Austin city council last week.

Darn those ultra-liberal Texans, anyway.

 

[flacaltenn]

Cheapest Solar Ever Austin Energy Gets 1.2 Gigawatts of Solar Bids for Less Than 4 Cents Greentech Media

A lot more cheap solar is coming for Austin, Texas.

The city's utility, Austin Energy, just released new data on developer bids for PV projects as part of a 600-megawatt procurement. The numbers show how far solar prices have come down over the last year -- and will continue to drop.

According to Khalil Shalabi, Austin Energy's vice president of resource planning, the utility received offers for 7,976 megawatts of projects after issuing a request for bids in April. Out of those bids, 1,295 megawatts of projects were priced below 4 cents per kilowatt-hour.

"The technology is getting better and the prices are decreasing with time," said Shalabi during a presentation in front of the Austin city council last week.

Darn those ultra-liberal Texans, anyway.

See there matey -- you're not reading close enough here. From your link.. .

According to Austin Energy's projections, contract prices will likely rise for 18 months if the federal Investment Tax Credit (ITC) expires at the end of 2016. But then prices will drop back down to today's levels -- or lower.

Note -- it doesn't STATE what the subsidy is -- but I'll wager it's 20% or more..
AND that toss-off phrase -- "but then prices will drop back down" -- The 18 months is an estimate. Doesn't reflect the business reality that without subsidies EXISTING solar plants will become pariahs holding way too much debt to compete with NEWER installations..

Prices are going down because the Chinese are DUMPING product to capture the whole market. Put the rest of puny competitors out of Biz.. THEY can afford to lose money. It's the Asian "long term" mentality..

 

[jc456]

Guy is going medieval on us!!!

Green Pope Goes Medieval on Planet - The Daily Beast


Has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a Marxist agenda.................f'ing duh!!!


"Ultimately the green platform seeks not to increase living standards as we currently understand them (particularly in high income countries) but to purposely lower them."

If you look at the background of the country where Francis comes from, should be of no surprise!!


And lets not forget.........going green necessarily means poor people get poorer. I can throw up about 253,000 links............by request.

As if deniers care anything about the poor.....hilarious.

lol............what a naïve dummy. Pursuit of green energy only makes poor people poorer. Even an idiot knows that!!


How Obama s green energy policies are bad for the poor Washington Examiner



LOL.....even Obama said it himself!!!!

Major surprise, the President was wrong. The research programs he put into place has brought the cost of both wind and solar to below 4 cents per kw, versus 6.6 cents per kw for dirty coal, and 6.1 for natural gas. Add Grid Scale batteries to the mix, and now coal is history. The President programs will have the result of actually lowering our costs for electricity. In fact, the rise in prices for electricity has actually declined since we started installing wind and solar.

Too funny, now the president who admitted it , s wrong. Too funny!

 

[skookerasbil]

Solar prices are coming down........but still cant compete with coal. Its not even debatable.

Look......its this simple. If solar energy was such a slam dunk, then why are all the fossil fuel companies dumping stock left and right? BP.....Exxon etc........ Alternative Energy And Big Oil Poor Returns Versus Lies - Forbes

Oh......this too..................

President Obama’s Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9. EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21. Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26. GreenVolts ($500,000)
27. Vestas ($50 million)
28. LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30. Navistar ($39 million)
31. Satcon ($3 million)*
32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

President Obama s Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures

 

[IanC]

 

[skookerasbil]

Pop is calling today for a NWO.............right on the heels of the whole global warming schpeel last week. Only the AGW k00ks see no connection!!

fucking [URL=http://s42.photobucket.com/user/baldaltima/media/duh.gif.html][/URL]

Fascinating to see people so deep in the matrix. No connect the dots abilities. You wonder how overnight cable TV businesses stay in business? They know the suckers are out there!!!

 

[Billy_Bob]

Pop is calling today for a NWO.............right on the heels of the whole global warming schpeel last week. Only the AGW k00ks see no connection!!

fucking

Fascinating to see people so deep in the matrix. No connect the dots abilities. You wonder how overnight cable TV businesses stay in business? They know the suckers are out there!!!

I believe that Revelations tells of the Anti-Christ and his rise WITHIN THE CHURCH..... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm