The Poor & Poverty: Is the Right right?

[shintao]

The Right is usually Wrong, so we had 911, two wars, the Gulf Slick, failed economy, etc.

My question is about poverty. Are the Right correct this time, that we should forget the poor and homeless, or is this just another Right being Wrong issue? What would happen to the poor and rich in America if we eliminated all social programs tomorrow? Would it end up costing us more, or less?

I ask because the prisons are already filled with Americans who wanted more, not less out of life. And it is logical the poor are going to eat and have other human needs they want fulfilled.

On the other hand the rich would have more money in their pockets to invest in themselves, but not necessarily in jobs or products. They don't tell us why they want so much money they can never spend it in a lifetime or a thousand generations of their offspring. Perhaps if they did it would be easier to understand why dumping the poor is such a good idea afterall. And why the Right might be Right on this issue.

And what do you do personally for the poor and poverty stricken? I have asked you this many times and you always ignore the question. Or do you just like to complain?

You must be thinking of someone else, because no-one here has ever asked me. I am not complaining now either. To begin with it is hard to help the poor, because you generally do not know what a particular poor person might need. I have given them shelter, fed them, clothed them, sobered them up, taken them off the streets and provided them livings and help them get employment, social benefits and medical care, worked with the mentally ill, entertained in rest homes for seniors, donate to FEED THE CHILDREN, local Women's shelter, local food distribution, donate needed items to veterans and counsel them in benefits, make visits at the VA hospital, donate to the Salvation Army, and donate to my local college to support programs. How about you? Do you work in the social system? Oh, I also support several family members and their children who find it hard to make ends meet. I am fortunate enough to be able do it, and in a manner they don't become dependent on me.


This isn't a diss thread. It is trying to answer a question about what to do about poverty, and what would the end results be if we listen to the rightys on the subject. What is the impact if we just cut off social programs in America? Will it make any difference? Will it cause riots? Will the rich be attacked and murdered? What do you think will happen, if anything. Well, go read the first post on this thread, and then answer. OK?

 

[shintao]

The Right is usually Wrong, so we had 911, two wars, the Gulf Slick, failed economy, etc.

My question is about poverty. Are the Right correct this time, that we should forget the poor and homeless, or is this just another Right being Wrong issue? What would happen to the poor and rich in America if we eliminated all social programs tomorrow? Would it end up costing us more, or less?

I ask because the prisons are already filled with Americans who wanted more, not less out of life. And it is logical the poor are going to eat and have other human needs they want fulfilled.

On the other hand the rich would have more money in their pockets to invest in themselves, but not necessarily in jobs or products. They don't tell us why they want so much money they can never spend it in a lifetime or a thousand generations of their offspring. Perhaps if they did it would be easier to understand why dumping the poor is such a good idea afterall. And why the Right might be Right on this issue.

Exactly how can you blame any political party for a terrorist attack? Its ignorant for you to think you can just throw money at people whom often have little intelligent spending knowledge. Whether you give one dollar or all of your money to the poor, in the end you will still be the one sitting on your computer saying, "look at these helpless people lets help them. Its much easier said than done. Don't argue with ignorant statements, argue with facts.

Well, if you want to use facts, bring them, whatever. I just asking a general question about what is going to happen in America when we shut down the social programs? And I am asking for your opinion of what will happen. Do you think the Right is right on this issue? What is it going to change if anything?

 

[The Rabbi]

IMHO its a matter of fairness. The rich, those being the top 10% of incomes that own 90% of everything generally only worry about getting richer, and how to fuck the other 90% over to get richer. The latest outrage is moving 14,000 factories overseas, AND building another 100,000 or so new factories overseas instead of here in the US. Its easier than dealing with the unions and environmentalists. So the 90% of have-nots get smaller buckets of rice, and the rich still sell their foreign made products, which the rest of us need to buy, since thats all there is in stores...foreign made goods. Then the rich outsource other service jobs and their stocks keep making money as the poor lose their houses and dignity.
So the Right and Left are both wrong, since they don't help everyone by creating good jobs here, then tax revenue suffers and the pols look like morons (which they are).

The poor don't worry about getting richer? The middle class doesn't worry about getting richer?
You ought to go meet some rich people sometime. They aren't guys sitting around in tuxedos wondering what to have for lunch.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So do you think we should abandon all social programs for the poor? You can't change the rich getting richer, or unions, or environmentalists, but you can change taking care of the poor, the unemployed and welfare social programs. You can end them, but what will be the result of that action?

Afraid you'll stop receiving that check at the beginning of each month?

 

[The Rabbi]

The Right is usually Wrong, so we had 911, two wars, the Gulf Slick, failed economy, etc.

My question is about poverty. Are the Right correct this time, that we should forget the poor and homeless, or is this just another Right being Wrong issue? What would happen to the poor and rich in America if we eliminated all social programs tomorrow? Would it end up costing us more, or less?

I ask because the prisons are already filled with Americans who wanted more, not less out of life. And it is logical the poor are going to eat and have other human needs they want fulfilled.

On the other hand the rich would have more money in their pockets to invest in themselves, but not necessarily in jobs or products. They don't tell us why they want so much money they can never spend it in a lifetime or a thousand generations of their offspring. Perhaps if they did it would be easier to understand why dumping the poor is such a good idea afterall. And why the Right might be Right on this issue.

And what do you do personally for the poor and poverty stricken? I have asked you this many times and you always ignore the question. Or do you just like to complain?

HE votes Democrat and tries to make other people feel guilty because they have a pot to piss in.

 

[ThePatriot]

Poverty is a tricky problem for sure, but when it comes down to it the best social program will always be work. Helping people is very different from socialism and the great debate will always be where is the line drawn.

 

[shintao]

IMHO its a matter of fairness. The rich, those being the top 10% of incomes that own 90% of everything generally only worry about getting richer, and how to fuck the other 90% over to get richer. The latest outrage is moving 14,000 factories overseas, AND building another 100,000 or so new factories overseas instead of here in the US. Its easier than dealing with the unions and environmentalists. So the 90% of have-nots get smaller buckets of rice, and the rich still sell their foreign made products, which the rest of us need to buy, since thats all there is in stores...foreign made goods. Then the rich outsource other service jobs and their stocks keep making money as the poor lose their houses and dignity.
So the Right and Left are both wrong, since they don't help everyone by creating good jobs here, then tax revenue suffers and the pols look like morons (which they are).

So do you think we should abandon all social programs for the poor? You can't change the rich getting richer, or unions, or environmentalists, but you can change taking care of the poor, the unemployed and welfare social programs. You can end them, but what will be the result of that action? Will it make America richer or poorer, or what? Is the Right right??

so, your answer is now and always will be punish the hard working success stories in favor of the poor. you are a wannabe robin in da hood right?

Well no williow, I didn't give an answer. I want you to give an answer, you wannabe right winged fur ball. Just read the thread and decide your own answer. I am not asking you to get out your crystal ball and a be a gazer.

 

[The Rabbi]

Poverty is a tricky problem for sure, but when it comes down to it the best social program will always be work. Helping people is very different from socialism and the great debate will always be where is the line drawn.

Well, capitalism has provided a lifestyle for the average person that is unattainable for about 80% of the rest of the world. Socialism has brought nothing but misery, poverty and death.
So it would seem obvious that if you want to help the poor you adopt more capitalist policies and fewer socialist policies.
Of course if your real goal is personal power and gain so you can become another member of the nomenklatura then you rail against "the rich" and push for confiscating wealth.

 

[WillowTree]

So do you think we should abandon all social programs for the poor? You can't change the rich getting richer, or unions, or environmentalists, but you can change taking care of the poor, the unemployed and welfare social programs. You can end them, but what will be the result of that action? Will it make America richer or poorer, or what? Is the Right right??

so, your answer is now and always will be punish the hard working success stories in favor of the poor. you are a wannabe robin in da hood right?

Well no williow, I didn't give an answer. I want you to give an answer, you wannabe right winged fur ball. Just read the thread and decide your own answer. I am not asking you to get out your crystal ball and a be a gazer.

Look goodrow, I didn't fall off the collard truck. You gave YOUR answer when you asked Your question.

 

[shintao]

I find it hilarious that the whole idea of modern socialism, which i find many liberals arguing for these days, is simply asking for more money for themselves. How convenient that while in the process of "helping the poor" they also notice a decrease in their tax bracket

Yes, Bush said you can have a deduction for everything you give the poor. So what happens when we cut off the social programs to the poor? Does that result in chaos? Or will the poor attack your house for food and shelter? Or maybe nothing will happen. What do you think is going to happen. Be the first one on this thread to answer, and win the Kewpie doll with the rolling eyes.

 

[Granny]

IMHO its a matter of fairness. The rich, those being the top 10% of incomes that own 90% of everything generally only worry about getting richer, and how to fuck the other 90% over to get richer. The latest outrage is moving 14,000 factories overseas, AND building another 100,000 or so new factories overseas instead of here in the US. Its easier than dealing with the unions and environmentalists. So the 90% of have-nots get smaller buckets of rice, and the rich still sell their foreign made products, which the rest of us need to buy, since thats all there is in stores...foreign made goods. Then the rich outsource other service jobs and their stocks keep making money as the poor lose their houses and dignity.
So the Right and Left are both wrong, since they don't help everyone by creating good jobs here, then tax revenue suffers and the pols look like morons (which they are).

So do you think we should abandon all social programs for the poor? You can't change the rich getting richer, or unions, or environmentalists, but you can change taking care of the poor, the unemployed and welfare social programs. You can end them, but what will be the result of that action? Will it make America richer or poorer, or what? Is the Right right??

Life isn't fair, Kyzr. If you made $500,000 a year and I made $5,000 a year - exactly what is it that's fair about you being forcefully made to give up, say, 20% of what you worked for and earned in order for me to have more money that I neither worked for nor earned? How is that justified or make life fair?

The rich own the big corporations that are regulated out the ass by government; they pay out the ass to union demands; the environmentalists are the cause of many more regulations that jack the price of business even higher. Minus any one of these causes, better yet, all of these causes, the rich and their big bad corporations could afford to cut down on costs, bring back work to Americans and compensate them for a job well done.

On the other hand, the rich bastards and big bad corporations are huge contributors to a vast number of charities from which the poor can draw. And, believe me, they do draw. Many of their wives and daughters who are debutantes belong to women's organizations such as Junior League who are active in making things affordable to the less fortunate.

And, yes, Shintao, we can and should get rid of some of our overseas work treaties, definitely get rid of unions and limit other causes which contribute to the economic problems.

 

[hortysir]

IMHO its a matter of fairness. The rich, those being the top 10% of incomes that own 90% of everything generally only worry about getting richer, and how to fuck the other 90% over to get richer. The latest outrage is moving 14,000 factories overseas, AND building another 100,000 or so new factories overseas instead of here in the US. Its easier than dealing with the unions and environmentalists. So the 90% of have-nots get smaller buckets of rice, and the rich still sell their foreign made products, which the rest of us need to buy, since thats all there is in stores...foreign made goods. Then the rich outsource other service jobs and their stocks keep making money as the poor lose their houses and dignity.
So the Right and Left are both wrong, since they don't help everyone by creating good jobs here, then tax revenue suffers and the pols look like morons (which they are).

That 10% used to be part of the other 90%.
They weren't given their wealth.
They didn't sit on forum boards and whine about how much money they had. They got out there and made it.

 

[syrenn]

The Right is usually Wrong, so we had 911, two wars, the Gulf Slick, failed economy, etc.

My question is about poverty. Are the Right correct this time, that we should forget the poor and homeless, or is this just another Right being Wrong issue? What would happen to the poor and rich in America if we eliminated all social programs tomorrow? Would it end up costing us more, or less?

I ask because the prisons are already filled with Americans who wanted more, not less out of life. And it is logical the poor are going to eat and have other human needs they want fulfilled.

On the other hand the rich would have more money in their pockets to invest in themselves, but not necessarily in jobs or products. They don't tell us why they want so much money they can never spend it in a lifetime or a thousand generations of their offspring. Perhaps if they did it would be easier to understand why dumping the poor is such a good idea afterall. And why the Right might be Right on this issue.

And what do you do personally for the poor and poverty stricken? I have asked you this many times and you always ignore the question. Or do you just like to complain?

You must be thinking of someone else, because no-one here has ever asked me. I am not complaining now either. To begin with it is hard to help the poor, because you generally do not know what a particular poor person might need. I have given them shelter, fed them, clothed them, sobered them up, taken them off the streets and provided them livings and help them get employment, social benefits and medical care, worked with the mentally ill, entertained in rest homes for seniors, donate to FEED THE CHILDREN, local Women's shelter, local food distribution, donate needed items to veterans and counsel them in benefits, make visits at the VA hospital, donate to the Salvation Army, and donate to my local college to support programs. How about you? Do you work in the social system? Oh, I also support several family members and their children who find it hard to make ends meet. I am fortunate enough to be able do it, and in a manner they don't become dependent on me.


This isn't a diss thread. It is trying to answer a question about what to do about poverty, and what would the end results be if we listen to the rightys on the subject. What is the impact if we just cut off social programs in America? Will it make any difference? Will it cause riots? Will the rich be attacked and murdered? What do you think will happen, if anything. Well, go read the first post on this thread, and then answer. OK?

Without digging here is one time:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/142609-what-god-said.html


Has any country so far in civilization been able to solve the problem of poverty? I dont think it is right to take from the "rich" and force them to give to the "poor" No matter how "poor" we are in this country, there is always some worse off. Do you take from them and give it to someone else worse off?

I do believe in personal responsibility. Poverty for some is having to do without a cell phone, a bit screen TV, and a play station. If you cant afford luxuries then sorry you're out of luck.

If you cant afford to feed a family then you have the personal responsibility of not having children.

There was a time in this country when didn't expect the government to care for you from birth to grave. I would have it that way again. I think social programs are what has put so many in the situation of needing social programs.

 

[shintao]

So do you think we should abandon all social programs for the poor? You can't change the rich getting richer, or unions, or environmentalists, but you can change taking care of the poor, the unemployed and welfare social programs. You can end them, but what will be the result of that action?

Afraid you'll stop receiving that check at the beginning of each month?

Nah, wondering what is going to happen to your kid when hungry crowds of people bust your door down for food and other items they need. Wondering if cutting off their benefits will have an impact on you and paying higher taxes when they build more prisons and hire more police, and your insurance skyrockets to a point you can't afford any. Wondering what will happen to markets when government cuts off the food stamps. What will happen to renters when government cuts off housing. Do a lil thinking and see if you can figure out if we should stop all social spending and what the impact will be to you and to the rich.

 

[WillowTree]

So do you think we should abandon all social programs for the poor? You can't change the rich getting richer, or unions, or environmentalists, but you can change taking care of the poor, the unemployed and welfare social programs. You can end them, but what will be the result of that action?

Afraid you'll stop receiving that check at the beginning of each month?

Nah, wondering what is going to happen to your kid when hungry crowds of people bust your door down for food and other items they need. Wondering if cutting off their benefits will have an impact on you and paying higher taxes when they build more prisons and hire more police, and your insurance skyrockets to a point you can't afford any. Wondering what will happen to markets when government cuts off the food stamps. What will happen to renters when government cuts off housing. Do a lil thinking and see if you can figure out if we should stop all social spending and what the impact will be to you and to the rich.

If someone breaks my door down they will be shot. No questions asked.

 

[The Rabbi]

So do you think we should abandon all social programs for the poor? You can't change the rich getting richer, or unions, or environmentalists, but you can change taking care of the poor, the unemployed and welfare social programs. You can end them, but what will be the result of that action?

Afraid you'll stop receiving that check at the beginning of each month?

Nah, wondering what is going to happen to your kid when hungry crowds of people bust your door down for food and other items they need. Wondering if cutting off their benefits will have an impact on you and paying higher taxes when they build more prisons and hire more police, and your insurance skyrockets to a point you can't afford any. Wondering what will happen to markets when government cuts off the food stamps. What will happen to renters when government cuts off housing. Do a lil thinking and see if you can figure out if we should stop all social spending and what the impact will be to you and to the rich.

See this is the problem with Liberals. They are basically afraid of their fellow man and of citizens. SO they support high regulations because they don't trust people to do the right thing. They support invasive screening at airports because they suspect their fellow passengers of being terrorists. They support gun control because they are afraid of people with guns who don't also have uniforms on.
And now Shitnao tells us he's afraid of poor people.
Having worked with poor people I can say that if you cut off welfare payments and the like poor people woild find a way to cope, picking up extra work, making cooperatives with their churches, neighbors, friends and relatives. They would not become zombie hordes. That's a liberal fantasy.

 

[shintao]

so, your answer is now and always will be punish the hard working success stories in favor of the poor. you are a wannabe robin in da hood right?

Well no williow, I didn't give an answer. I want you to give an answer, you wannabe right winged fur ball. Just read the thread and decide your own answer. I am not asking you to get out your crystal ball and a be a gazer.

Look goodrow, I didn't fall off the collard truck. You gave YOUR answer when you asked Your question.

I did? What was my answer gazer? Inquiring minds want to know. And while you are at, you can have your own opinion, what is your answer??

 

[bag]

Government does not give you all of what you want.

gubmints providing basic necessities, numnuts...

 

[shintao]

Poverty is a tricky problem for sure, but when it comes down to it the best social program will always be work. Helping people is very different from socialism and the great debate will always be where is the line drawn.

Well, capitalism has provided a lifestyle for the average person that is unattainable for about 80% of the rest of the world. Socialism has brought nothing but misery, poverty and death.
So it would seem obvious that if you want to help the poor you adopt more capitalist policies and fewer socialist policies.Of course if your real goal is personal power and gain so you can become another member of the nomenklatura then you rail against "the rich" and push for confiscating wealth.

So what policies does the capitalist want to institute to overcome all the social programs you want to get rid of??

 

[WillowTree]

Well no williow, I didn't give an answer. I want you to give an answer, you wannabe right winged fur ball. Just read the thread and decide your own answer. I am not asking you to get out your crystal ball and a be a gazer.

Look goodrow, I didn't fall off the collard truck. You gave YOUR answer when you asked Your question.

I did? What was my answer gazer? Inquiring minds want to know. And while you are at, you can have your own opinion, what is your answer??

No problem goodrow. The Right only cares about the rich. They don't give a shit about the poor. The Rich don't give a shit about the poor either. That was your answer.