The plan going forward.

Come on you FUCKS, China is going to crash and burn eventually. Once reform hits their education systems and they learn how to think. It's gonna be all over. 20yrs, tops.
 
Come on you FUCKS, China is going to crash and burn eventually. Once reform hits their education systems and they learn how to think. It's gonna be all over. 20yrs, tops.

Reform isn't going to hit their education system. There is no intention in the leadership to do so, and there is no pressure on the leadership to do it.
 
Reform isn't going to hit their education system. There is no intention in the leadership to do so, and there is no pressure on the leadership to do it.

Of course there's no real pressure, but they'll have to eventually if they want innovation. People need critical thinking skills to create, something China isn't big on developing when it comes to their youth. I'm sure China produces many top notch engineers etc, but for now, China is not a leader in innovation. One of their recent budget targets has been improving education to in order to produce skilled workers for the purpose of developing technological innovation.
 
Of course there's no real pressure, but they'll have to eventually if they want innovation. People need critical thinking skills to create, something China isn't big on developing when it comes to their youth. I'm sure China produces many top notch engineers etc, but for now, China is not a leader in innovation. One of their recent budget targets has been improving education to in order to produce skilled workers for the purpose of developing technological innovation.


Innovation are transferred to them through their collaborators in the west, and they just make it so through their totalitarian ways. I hope you're right, but I just don't see it.
 
Honestly I don't care.

Okay, good. You admit that embargoes won't change policy in a dictatorship for the better.

BVBM is advocating appeasement.

"Appeasement" implies that the alternative action (embargos, wars, preemptive strikes) will produce changes for the better. But you've already admitted that it won't, in this case.

Why is nobody suggesting we give Korea Most favored nation status to deal with the problem? Answer: Because they know people will not accept that bullshit again, like we have with china.

South Korea is a good example. They weren't a democracy until fairly recently. In the 50's, their poverty was on par with most of Africa's. They also started moving towards capitalism before they moved to democracy. Ditto for Taiwan.

That's probably a good thing though. Why? Because miserable, unemployed people tend to elect demogages. Look at mideastern countries that have held elections--they vote for religious hotheads. Look at Germany--a democratic government handed him power. Look at south america--they have elections, but desperately poor people vote for socialist idiots.

So really, the only leg you have to stand on is "protecting american jobs" or some other similar "Progressive" idea. But that's been debunked too.
 
Okay, good. You admit that embargoes won't change policy in a dictatorship for the better.
I think long term they would. Short term there probably would be some bad shit, but there would be an end in sight as the leadership weakens, as opposed the perpetuation of their atrocity that we're advocating now.
"Appeasement" implies that the alternative action (embargos, wars, preemptive strikes) will produce changes for the better. But you've already admitted that it won't, in this case.
See my above correction of your mischaracterization.
South Korea is a good example. They weren't a democracy until fairly recently. In the 50's, their poverty was on par with most of Africa's. They also started moving towards capitalism before they moved to democracy. Ditto for Taiwan.

That's probably a good thing though. Why? Because miserable, unemployed people tend to elect demogages. Look at mideastern countries that have held elections--they vote for religious hotheads. Look at Germany--a democratic government handed him power. Look at south america--they have elections, but desperately poor people vote for socialist idiots.

So really, the only leg you have to stand on is "protecting american jobs" or some other similar "Progressive" idea. But that's been debunked too.

And sometimes desperately poor overthrow their leadership and opt for change.
 

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