The Paradox of Liberalism...... (A bit long, but worth it)

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    http://www.thefreedomfactory.us/articles/news/ideas/
     
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    I like revisionist history and fairy tales. And I especially love moonbatty dissertations filled with straw man arguments. who are you talking to...yourself? what credible group is advocating commie socialist crap in America? WTF do you live?

    I'll tune in later tomorrow.
     
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    What really would sum up your post:

    Liberals:

    Government = More

    Government involved outside economy/health wise = Less

    Conservatives:

    Government = Less

    Government involved outside economy/health wise = More

    Problem with your post is that Wall Street, Medicine companies, etc have shown us that they need regulation. Otherwise they will rob us blind/kill us slowly with whatever they are feeding us.

    Regulation is needed in some form, that is what the Bush Administration failed to realize.

    The $800 billion bailout was a horrible idea. Why? Not only because these companies needed bailouts. But because this $800 billion bailout was unregulated, the companies that got this money were still unregulated, etc. It's like trying to fill a never ending hole. You can toss in as much as you like, but nothing will be solved unless the hole is not never ending.

    In fact, no Regulation was a huge reason why these companies ended up needing bailouts.
     
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    look at your signature quotes:

    You always write it's bombing, bombing, bombing. It's not bombing, it's air support." - -- Air Force Colonel David Opfer, complaining to reporters about their coverage of the Vietnam War.

    ------ hahahahahaha ----- euphemism have a meaning to you?


    "Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other." - President Ronald Reagan


    ----so Ronald Reagan expanded the government----hahahahahaha

    "You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one." - Rush Limbaugh, 17 Aug 1993


    ------a drug addled blowhard?---------

    :clap2:

    Hey clueless, where do you live, Seattle? buy some Prozac.
     
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    the article uses canned rhetoric, quaint phraseology and ideological lingo. It's like listening to one of the old commies (only we're in the looking glass world where everything is upside down) in Harvard Square back in the days of the cold war.

    gawd, people are stupid.
     
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    "who are you talking to...yourself?"

    ..... actually I just posted an article that I found interesting.... is reading comprehension an issue with you?

    "what credible group is advocating commie socialist crap in America?"

    .... now that just makes no sense at all........... wanna clarify?

    "WTF do you live? "

    .... why?.... are you a stalker?..... you do realize there are laws that you should probably familiarize yourself with.
     
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    ROFL... She wil be back, but she won't mention what specific elements of the OP may represent a straw man... no will she get around to telling us what elements comprise the revision of history and or fairly tales...

    But Leftists prefer these flaccid broadcast denials... saves all that 'THINKIN''

    As to the query... "what credible group is advocating commie socialist crap in America?"

    Any group which advocates for left-think does so absent a scintilla of credibility... one can't advocate for left-think and possess credibility, as left-think is OKA: Absurdity...

    But groups that are advocating for left-think (Socialism) are represented by The Democrat Party... the Black Congressional Caucus, NAACP,Communist Party USA, Socialist Party USA, The Hussein Administration, The Majority Leadership of the US House of Representative, the Majority Leadership of the Senate... Moveon.org, The Daily KOS, The Democrat Underground, DispAir America... The New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Miami Hearald, Detriot Free Press, Dallas Morning News, San Fran Chronicle... ABC News, NBC News, CBS News, CNN, CNN HLN, MSNBC just to name a few...
     
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    The first sentence tells you where you are going. That is a good thing because then you do not have to waste time reading the rest of this social darwinist nonsense. The founding fathers established a 'government' that would support freedom through a system of checks and balances. Those balances include an attempt at a level playing field for all people. And part of those checks is the rights of Americans to have a part of the pie. The pie is created by the system and not by the social darwinists who mostly through birth and privilege start out in front. And there is nothing wrong with starting in front so long as the rest have opportunity. This conservative mantra on government is old now and has failed, time to move on.....


    "The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts."

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    Leolady,

    In the future, please post only a section of your article and provide a link. I did it for you this time.

    Thanks.
     
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    Yes, the flight from monarchism to any form of representational government was an example of radical liberalism. ​




    They knew nothing of the sort. ​



    They knew that totalitarianism is a bad form of government, that's for damned sure. ​



    Total revisionist bullshit. The first thing the founding fathers did was imposed TARIFFS


    Except for Slaves, women, and people without property. More right right mythology here, folks.​



    A Nonsensical appeal to patriotism which has zero meaning​


    Only if they especially stupid enough to think what has been proposed thus far has any relationship to reality....which it doesn't.​



    REally? Then why bother having a government at all? Moron ALERT!


    Yeah...right.​

    Every good myth deserves to be compared to another equally simplistic and stupid collection of myths.. That's what really stupid people seem to think passes as intellectualy discourse, I suppose​




    Socialism is the collectivization of the means of production. ​




    Typical...start out with as specious presupposition, then spin blther by the bale based on it.​



    Wah wah! wah! I might have to pay taxes! Fucking idiot.








    Liberalism believes that the government should interfer only in situations where failing to do so causes harm to the commomweal, dipshit.​



    Something must be done.​



    Salary caps on the rich? Nonsense...truly progressive taxation makes sense though...we ought to try it.
    A system that works well as long as the society is a going concern.

    No liberal I know is demanding rent control.

    Yes, we do. Help people get out of poverty or pay the much higher price of poverty's outcomes.

    God damned right we do. You don't? Idiot.

    And you don't? Idiot


    The same way the people who claim they love freedom suck the dick of the most fasistic social system in a free society...the military.​

    Like the conservatives, liberals understand that some pure freedom (like not having a military) isn't possible if one wants to have a nation.​




    Yes we have. Which is why you discover that most historians are accused of being liberals by those morons who haven't really studied history, but who like to call self delusiding myths like this author believes are history​



    A lot of words....no content​



    Yawn


    You wouldn't know true liberalism if it has given you and you family decent life for generation...which it did, you ungrateful idiot.​



    The Democratic party is no more liberal than the current Republican party is conservative. Only an idiot can't understand that.​


    Bullshit​



    How many times are you going to have to have socialism explained to you before you can understand what it is?​





    Hobsian nonsense...typical of idiots who know no history and who don't understand dick about political science, either.​
     
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