The Palestinian myth

[DeeCee]

jordyptians!!!

 

[Wolverine1984]

Those are English bastardization of the word but yes they are the same people.

Those 2 people have nothing in common except place of residence.
It's the same thing as calling Americans and Indians the same people because now Americans reside were the Indians used to live.

I disagree. how are the people there today different then then the people who lived in the Canaan society?

Well what are any 2 people differ from each other ?
You said that the Hebrews could not get rid of the Palestinians back in biblical times...
Those were not Palestinians who lived there at that time , thoese were Philistines. an entirly different people.

Palestinians are of Arabic decent and they arrived at the land you now call Palestine no earlier that the 5th century CE.

While "The Philistine cities lost their independence to Tiglath-Pileser III of Assyria by 732 BC, and revolts in following years were all crushed. They were subsequently absorbed into the Babylonian and Persian empires, and disappear as a distinct group by the late 5th century BC.[14] "

 

[Jos]

And Ashkenazi jews come from?
Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Wolverine1984]

And Ashkenazi jews come from?
Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Exactly the same place where the other Jews come from

A study of haplotypes of the Y-chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al. found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East.

A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon-Ostrer et al. stated "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry.", as both groups - the Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews shared common ancestors in the Middle East about 2500 years ago.

Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

Those 2 people have nothing in common except place of residence.
It's the same thing as calling Americans and Indians the same people because now Americans reside were the Indians used to live.

I disagree. how are the people there today different then then the people who lived in the Canaan society?

Well what are any 2 people differ from each other ?
You said that the Hebrews could not get rid of the Palestinians back in biblical times...
Those were not Palestinians who lived there at that time , thoese were Philistines. an entirly different people.

Palestinians are of Arabic decent and they arrived at the land you now call Palestine no earlier that the 5th century CE.

While "The Philistine cities lost their independence to Tiglath-Pileser III of Assyria by 732 BC, and revolts in following years were all crushed. They were subsequently absorbed into the Babylonian and Persian empires, and disappear as a distinct group by the late 5th century BC.[14] "

They were subsequently absorbed into the Babylonian and Persian empires, and disappear as a distinct group by the late 5th century BC.[14]

Good point. Whenever a new flag is raised over city hall that does not mean that all of the people leave and a whole new group moves in. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. Some have come and some have gone. Some stayed and put down roots. Those who stayed melted into the dominant culture.

Some Palestinians have pre historic ancestors. Others are first or second generation born in country. It doesn't matter.

 

[yidnar]

True indeed, never before that time there was a Palestinian identity, those people never had a sovereign state or country.
I believe that some of them think they are the descendants of the biblical Philistines, but this is far from being true .

and the left cries rivers for them !!!

who's the "left", troll?

guilt ridden, bleeding heart ,socialist,traitors who are ashamed of America !!

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWH1oMpmAjs]80 Sleepless Gaza Jerusalem.divx - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Jos]

Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians

A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.

Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.

Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical dogma.

Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians | World news | The Observer

 

[Jos]

The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations

Epiphenom: The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

 

[Wolverine1984]

Well dude , if you are saying that Palestinians are actually Jews ...
Then basically that means that they are not a separate people, which is what Yindar is saying ...

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well dude , if you are saying that Palestinians are actually Jews ...
Then basically that means that they are not a separate people, which is what Yindar is saying ...

Separate from what and why does it matter?

 

[Wolverine1984]

Well dude , if you are saying that Palestinians are actually Jews ...
Then basically that means that they are not a separate people, which is what Yindar is saying ...

Separate from what and why does it matter?

Well if you would read what the thread is about instead of posting unrelated 1 and a half hour long videos you would know...

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well dude , if you are saying that Palestinians are actually Jews ...
Then basically that means that they are not a separate people, which is what Yindar is saying ...

Separate from what and why does it matter?

Well if you would read what the thread is about instead of posting unrelated 1 and a half hour long videos you would know...

Is this about Israel's constant blabbering about "Palestinians don't exist?"

 

[2012]

• As the 'director of the Institute of Women Today and founder and a member of the board of the National Coalition of American Nuns,' wrote in the Chicago Tribune (1983): The massive Arab immigration into Palestine during the Mandate period accounts for roughly 75 percent of the supposedly "Palestinian" population present at the time of the partition in 1948.
  
  
• Or as a Professor stated (1973): Obviously the great majority of "Palestinians" were themselves Immigrants or sons or grandsons of immigrants from other Arab lands, that came to partake of the prosperity generated by the Jews. Entire towns and villages in 1948 could trace their origins to other countries...
  
  
• Or as a professor/author stated (2004) ...the so-called Palestinians, which actually consist of diverse clans from various Arab states.
  
  
• Or as others have phrased it (2007): Eighty per cent of current 'Palestinians' are illegal immigrants or the children or grandchildren thereof who were quietly welcomed by the British administrators of the Mandate. Any Arab peasant or job seeker found a ready welcome in unadministered "refugee camps", becoming a 'Palestinian' overnight.
  
  
• Or as respected Jurist who lectured at the Academy of International Law in the Hague asserted (1944): the Arabic-speaking inhabitants of Palestine, as we shall see later, are not the descendants of the conquerors. That 75% of the Arab population of Palestine at that time were either immigrants themselves or descendants of immigrants who arrived in Palestine mainly after 1882, coinciding with the development of modern Jewish settlement which made the country more attractive for Moslem and Arabic-speaking newcomers..
  
  
• Or as a scientist has put it (2003): The absolute majority of the so-called Palestinians are descendants of the Twentieth Century Arab immigrants who searched for a rewarding chunk of the economical boom engendered by the returning Jews.
  
  
• Or in the words of renowned researcher: There is no age-old Palestinian people. Most so-called Palestinians are relative newcomers to The Land of Israel.
  
  
• Or, as an author wrote (1992): Most of the Arabs living there are in fact relative newcomers. "Palestine" is the entire area now covered by Israel, including Judea/Samaria (the so-called " West Bank") and what is now the Kingdom of Jordan.
  
  
• Or, as former Speaker of the House pointed out (2011): that the Palestinians are a fictional invented people. They are simply Jordanians and Egyptians who fled terror from their fellow Arabs. So do realize many analysts and commentators who have stated there are no Palestinian people and that most of them are of Jordanian and Egyptian decent.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Separate from what and why does it matter?

Well if you would read what the thread is about instead of posting unrelated 1 and a half hour long videos you would know...

Is this about Israel's constant blabbering about "Palestinians don't exist?"

Certainly they exist in slogans and in your imagination, but they don't seem to exist as a distinct people in the minds of the Arabs living in the disputed territories or in the minds of their leaders. In their minds, apparently, they are just Arabs, and that is why they dare not make a move without first consulting the Arab League and the various Arab leaders individually. When Sadat wanted to make peace with Israel, he didn't ask permission from the various Arab dictators first. When Hussein wanted to make peace with Israel he didn't either. These were leaders of nations who did what they thought was best for their people regardless of what other Arabs thought, but the leaders of the Arabs living in the disputed territories are obviously more interested in doing what is in the best interests of the Arab nations than in what is in the best interests of the Arabs living in the disputed territories. Obviously, they understand, even if you don't, that Palestinian is just a propaganda term.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well if you would read what the thread is about instead of posting unrelated 1 and a half hour long videos you would know...

Is this about Israel's constant blabbering about "Palestinians don't exist?"

Certainly they exist in slogans and in your imagination, but they don't seem to exist as a distinct people in the minds of the Arabs living in the disputed territories or in the minds of their leaders. In their minds, apparently, they are just Arabs, and that is why they dare not make a move without first consulting the Arab League and the various Arab leaders individually. When Sadat wanted to make peace with Israel, he didn't ask permission from the various Arab dictators first. When Hussein wanted to make peace with Israel he didn't either. These were leaders of nations who did what they thought was best for their people regardless of what other Arabs thought, but the leaders of the Arabs living in the disputed territories are obviously more interested in doing what is in the best interests of the Arab nations than in what is in the best interests of the Arabs living in the disputed territories. Obviously, they understand, even if you don't, that Palestinian is just a propaganda term.

You use the language I see on Israeli propaganda sites. Is this where you get all your information?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Is this about Israel's constant blabbering about "Palestinians don't exist?"

Certainly they exist in slogans and in your imagination, but they don't seem to exist as a distinct people in the minds of the Arabs living in the disputed territories or in the minds of their leaders. In their minds, apparently, they are just Arabs, and that is why they dare not make a move without first consulting the Arab League and the various Arab leaders individually. When Sadat wanted to make peace with Israel, he didn't ask permission from the various Arab dictators first. When Hussein wanted to make peace with Israel he didn't either. These were leaders of nations who did what they thought was best for their people regardless of what other Arabs thought, but the leaders of the Arabs living in the disputed territories are obviously more interested in doing what is in the best interests of the Arab nations than in what is in the best interests of the Arabs living in the disputed territories. Obviously, they understand, even if you don't, that Palestinian is just a propaganda term.

You use the language I see on Israeli propaganda sites. Is this where you get all your information?

Why do you tell stupid lies like this? Is it because you find the argument so compelling you are rendered speechless?

 

[thetor]

The truth is historical evidence proves there were no Palestinians until 1967 right after Isreal won the 6 days war !!! they are Jordanians,Lebanese,and Syrians that claimed the title of Palestinians after the war as a strategic act to de legitimatize the Israeli people !!!

Ya Moronic Yid..tor

 

[thetor]

and the left cries rivers for them !!!

who's the "left", troll?

guilt ridden, bleeding heart ,socialist,traitors who are ashamed of America !!

Yidiottor

 

[P F Tinmore]

Certainly they exist in slogans and in your imagination, but they don't seem to exist as a distinct people in the minds of the Arabs living in the disputed territories or in the minds of their leaders. In their minds, apparently, they are just Arabs, and that is why they dare not make a move without first consulting the Arab League and the various Arab leaders individually. When Sadat wanted to make peace with Israel, he didn't ask permission from the various Arab dictators first. When Hussein wanted to make peace with Israel he didn't either. These were leaders of nations who did what they thought was best for their people regardless of what other Arabs thought, but the leaders of the Arabs living in the disputed territories are obviously more interested in doing what is in the best interests of the Arab nations than in what is in the best interests of the Arabs living in the disputed territories. Obviously, they understand, even if you don't, that Palestinian is just a propaganda term.

You use the language I see on Israeli propaganda sites. Is this where you get all your information?

Why do you tell stupid lies like this? Is it because you find the argument so compelling you are rendered speechless?

Compelling?

What argument were you attempting to make?