The only way a Libertarian gets elected is...

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  1. CrazedScotsman
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    ...if Romney screws up as bad as President Obama did.

    I hate to say it, but it's true. If Romney gets the economy back on track and the unemployment rate down, he will get a second term. If that don't happen, then the Libertarian candidate may have a shot at bringing in 15%-20% of the vote in 2016.

    If I thought a Libertarian had shot at winning the presidency, I would vote for him/her, but it's just not going to happen. The American people want the government to intervien and regulate way too much, the American people don't want maximum freedom even though they say they do.

    Sad, but true.
     
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    I agree...but I also thin the propoganda of the media and education establishment does that....there is a reason they dumb standards down
     
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    I sort of doubt it. I think we've kind of past the point of no return when it comes to democracy in America. We'll keep sucking on that 'lesser-of-two-evils' nonsense until it kills us.

    To wit:

    Here you display the core problem in flying colors! It won't happen as long as you, and the millions like you, keep falling for the same old crap.
     
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    Yeah right
     
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    Unemployment rate has bee dropping for the last 3 years.
     
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    The only reason it has been dropping is because people are exhausting their unemployment and not being counted any more...Check the BLS numbers yourself, you will see that as fact. The labor participation rate is lower now than it has been in recent decades.

    If they were to count all the people in the labor force that were in the day Obama took office, unemployment would be over 10%.
     
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    It's the two party system. And the parties have a lock down on it. In many ways it is excellent but the faults are also huge.

    Before we decimated the" Progressive" Conservative party up here it was the same way. We found out Mr. Loser Joe Clark was literally trading off a federal seat in Edmonton to a woman who has now become known as "Landslide Annie". And the actual head of the so called conservative party was reportedly making all these back room deals to not run candidates in certain areas.

    To give you a real profile of what this man did when a true conservative PM came up thru the ranks, Joe Clark, big L on his head Clark actually came out in support of the Liberal Opponent rather than backing Harper.

    A two party system can be good but trust me it can also be a nightmare. Now we have three very strong parties (bless you Jack)and I am thrilled because it shakes the base and it does not allow the type of mob action from the top down.
     
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    Hey....I'd be a Libertarian if it weren't for their position on the poor and elderly

    I like the idea of scaling back the military influence over the rest of the world(playing world police), a more protectionist stance in regards to business, I am for getting rid of corporate welfare and am for reforming our social welfare system into one that is more of a "work for benefits" program....and other areas.

    I believe that the huge, anti-competition conglomerates need to be broken up so real competition can take place.

    But I don't believe in getting rid of welfare altogether or getting rid of....or even really changing the programs we have been paying into all our lives....SS and Medicare.....I mean...it's one thing to phase it out slowly over time...old people die...the middle age now will be old soon....in this economy, there's not enough time for most of the middle aged to prepare for their old age without SS and Medicare.

    figure out ways to reasonably reduce entitlements with a long term mentality and protect the poor, but make them work for that protection? and I'd be in.
     
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    Then change it. Get out there. Left or right or in between get out and kick some ass. It can be done.

    I'm a conservative. I helped change my party.

    One of my two favorite people on the planet and that I truly admire are Jack and Olivia who are NDP. Pretty far left but so admirable. Jack's actually in the past tense because he has passed boy I have a hard time putting him that way. Sorries. Apologies for any spelling mistakes. I always start to cry over Jack because he was one man, one politician that left this world too early.

    Even though polar opposites you knew Jack was honest. Rare breed these days.

    These two most wonderous hands on politicians (and this is coming from a hard core conservative:eusa_angel:) revamped their party.

    And they did it from the ground up. They just started as councillors. And they served their people well.

    You can do it. You really can.

    ETA: Never give up the fight. Never. You can change things.
     
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    Nothing you say remotely touches on libertarian philosophy. You want ponzi schemes run by govt. Gotv. intervention/protectionist in business, welfare and are against individual liberty by default.

    No liberty will return to the US. People are in love with statist rulers that fuck them left or right and they come back for another round.
     

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