The only real issue: what exactly is a Republican?

[jillian]

From day one a Republican has been someone opposed to the big liberal government of England and then opposed to those who would make our government bigger and bigger and more and more liberal with no end in sight short of monarchy or communism.

a history class would probably be a very good thing for you.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's someone who makes broad generalizations and then thinks they have said something wise.

Why not say if the broad generalization is correct??. Do you know what a Republican is or what the history is? Once you do you too can be a Republican, unless of course you are opposed to freedom?

The history is one thing. What they are today is completely and entirely opposed. Ronald Reagan is likely rolling over in his grave, telling them all to kiss his ass.

of course that is perfectly absurd and liberal . This is why you are you so afraid to say on what substantive issue Reagan would have disagreed with Jefferson or the Tea Party about freedom from liberal big government.

 

[Clementine]

If some here are going to pretend that all Republicans are all alike, then I guess every Democrat is like those illiterate protesters shitting on police cars and doing drugs and having sex in the streets. I mean, if one side is just going to start painting with a broad brush, then I guess I can do the same.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

From day one a Republican has been someone opposed to the big liberal government of England and then opposed to those who would make our government bigger and bigger and more and more liberal with no end in sight short of monarchy or communism.

a history class would probably be a very good thing for you.

of course if true you would not be so afraid to say exactly where the history is mistaken. Surely your fear tells you something?

 

[Crackerjack]

It's someone who makes broad generalizations and then thinks they have said something wise.

People vote republican out of fear, republican politicians are basically lazy, they know all they have to do is confirm those fears and they get the votes. The party platform is secondary to simply acting in an authoritarian way that the authoritarian followers will find acceptable, scapegoat the right people, rattle the saber in the right direction, wave the flag, pay lip service to the Christians and matters of liberty fade into the background. Republicans crave a legitimate authority figure that will never make them feel stupid in their narrow opinions or foolish in their phantom fears.

I bet you're the only person on this board who doesn't see the irony here.

 

[jillian]

From day one a Republican has been someone opposed to the big liberal government of England and then opposed to those who would make our government bigger and bigger and more and more liberal with no end in sight short of monarchy or communism.

a history class would probably be a very good thing for you.

of course if true you would not be so afraid to say exactly where the history is mistaken. Surely your fear tells you something?

i have no fear of imbeciles like you.

but why don't we start with the fact that there was no republican party until 1854 and it began in the north to oppose slavery.

now you would be ranting and raving about "big government" interfering with property rights.

lincoln is rolling over in his grave.

and negged for thinking anyone "fears" someone as ignorant as you.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If some here are going to pretend that all Republicans are all alike,

not exactly alike of course but generally for freedom from government while Democrats are opposed 100%

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. Republicans crave a legitimate authority figure

of course thats absurd given that Republicans want to reduce the authority of government while liberals want to increase the governments authority.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A Real Republican ...

That's someone who says they want less government but then support GeeDub who increased the reach of government and gutted the Constitution. Arguably the worst president in our history, that's the same geedub who Put It On The Country's Credit Card to the extent that it will be several presidents from now before we get his admin paid off. The one thing that our beloved ex-president, GeeDub did well was - clearing brush from his not-ranch in Texass. Well that and get real drunk and feel up the German Chancellor. Twice. Oh, and one other thing he did well was treat the United States Dept of the Treasury as his own private Petty Cash Fund.

Real Republicans swoon over the name of Ronnie Ray-Gun who raised taxes over and over, added more to the deficit that ALL previous presidents combined and then bragged about it all while spending his presidency On Vacation. That "On Vacation" might well have been literal as there is evidence that Nancy and her Astrology Friends were actually running things. The Ray-Guns also looked on the tax-funded US Dept of the Treasury as their own private vacation fund and boy, did they enjoy it!

Real Repubs worship people like Paul Ryan whose "plan" will require the deficit ceiling to be raised and will not result in even one job.

Speaking of jobs, they voted out incumbents and voted FOR teabaggers (who don't support their children, lie about how they came to this country and, in the case of Alan West, REALLY need psychiatric help) and pubs (who are in the employ of bp and other Big Oil and Koch's and other Big business) who promised jobs in return for votes. So far, not one jobs bill has been introduced by these pub/bag do-nothings who now suck on the tax payer's teat but that doesn't stop them from filibustering every single bill that could help the US dig out from their disastrous economic policies.

My least favorite fact about Real Repubs is that they are Peeping Toms. They say they want fewer laws and more personal freedom but there they are, peeking in our bedroom windows, wanting lots and lots of laws that will take away our most basic rights to control our reproduction and decision to marry any consenting adult we please.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

i have no fear of imbeciles like you.

but why don't we start with the fact that there was no republican party until 1854 and it began in the north to oppose slavery.

5th Congress (1797-1799)
Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34

"Historians do not agree on the details surrounding the origin of Parties. Some believe that Jefferson forged the Republican party from coalition of existing state and local parties"....[in the 1790's].

Page 31, Political Parties in America by Robert Huckshorn( most popular Political Science text on parties in USA.


"Although people were still deeply ambivalent about political parties, although one party did not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of the other, and although men on both sides were nostalgic- at one time or another- for the imaginary golden age of political harmony, few people could be found in the early 1790's who believed the parties did not exist. The parties had names: Federalist and Republican."

- Susan Dunn, Jefferson's Second Revolution.


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.


-During a conciliatory moment at his Inauguration Jefferson said: "today we are all Republicans, we are all Federalists." (referring to the two majors parties at the time)
We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all Republicans, we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
- When Jefferson won the election of 1800 the National Gazette headline was, "Complete triumph of Republican firmness over the "obstinacy" of the Aristocrats"! ( what Republicans called big government Federalists)

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

A Real Republican ...

That's someone who says they want less government but then support GeeDub who increased the reach of government and gutted the Constitution. .

sure, Republicans aren't pure and never have been but nevertheless Jefferson ,the Tea Party, and Ron Paul are Republicans which ought to tell that 100% of energy for freedom from big liberal government comes from Republicans, while Democrats are pretty pure in their anti-American philosophy. Is that really over your head?

 

[jillian]

links for your stupidity..... thanks.

reality:

Where was the party born? Following the publication of the "Appeal of Independent Democrats" in major newspapers, spontaneous demonstrations occurred. In early 1854, the first proto-Republican Party meeting took place in Ripon, Wisconsin. On June 6, 1854 on the outskirts of Jackson, Michigan upwards of 10,000 people turned out for a mass meeting "Under the Oaks." This led to the first organizing convention in Pittsburgh on February 22, 1856.
The gavel fell to open the Party's first nominating convention, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on June 17, 1856, announcing the birth of the Republican Party as a unified political force.

The Origins of the Republican Party

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

People vote republican out of fear,

100% true. When Jefferson founded the country he had determined that big government had been the source of all evil on earth and according was to be feared above all else. Welcome to your very first lesson in American History.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Regardless of party there isn't much difference in the growth of government.

of course thats perfectly absurd, liberal, and mistaken since the Republicans have supported, for example, a balanced budget amendment for 200 years while liberals have opposed it.

We have big government because the people want what big government provides.

We have big government because liberals lie to the people. The liberal will tell them for example that Social Security is good when in reality it is a huge theft that wastes the nation's savings. They will tell them that free health care is good when in reality it is not free but rather the most expensive health care on the planet.

Piffle. Are you one of those fools who says that SS is a "ponzi scheme", thus proving they have no idea what a "ponzi scheme" is?

"...free health care ..." is what the Repubs HAVE and want. Its a SOCIALIST system put into place by that pub hero Ray-Gun. Pubs who can't or don't want to pay for their care can just sashay into an emergency room and when time comes to pay the bill, they can say, "The libs will pay for my care" and walk right on outta there.

Sure, hosp's make every effort to collect from dead beat pub/bags but if they don't pay, there's nothing the hosp can do except pass the expense on to others.

So, why don't pubs/bags want to pay for their own health insurance? Why should I have to pay higher insurance premiums just so you can get away without paying?

Why should I have to pay for the excellent health care our congress enjoys while they refuse to let me have the same caliber of care they get? Remember when the bagger congressbozo demanded that his health insurance state immediately even though he had voted against Americans getting that same insurance?

THAT is the definition of a Real Republican.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Where was the party born?

Dear, I gave you a listing from the Congressional Record from the 18th Century. Do you really need to pretend that they somehow were mistaken about what Parties occupied the Congress then? Do you really think Jefferson was unaware of what party he founded and belonged to??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Piffle. Are you one of those fools who says that SS is a "ponzi scheme", thus proving they have no idea what a "ponzi scheme" is?

if I said ponzi I'll pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your silly liberal tail between your legs.

It is a fact though that if the average American put 13% of his lifetime earnings away in a private account he would retire with $1.4 million instead of the dog food money from SS.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A Real Republican ...

That's someone who says they want less government but then support GeeDub who increased the reach of government and gutted the Constitution. .

sure, Republicans aren't pure and never have been but nevertheless Jefferson ,the Tea Party, and Ron Paul are Republicans which ought to tell that 100% of energy for freedom from big liberal government comes from Republicans, while Democrats are pretty pure in their anti-American philosophy. Is that really over your head?

Definition of a Real Repub ...

They'll evoke ancient history when its convenient but then stuff their toe in the sand and pretend to get all kinds of humble when that serves them.

That's why Romney is the perfect pub/bagger. Turn up the sound and enjoy the Real Repub Theme Song is ...



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[Crackerjack]

if I said ponzi I'll pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your silly liberal tail between your legs.

If I gave you $5, would you shut up?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

That's why Romney is the perfect pub/bagger.

Romney of course is for freedom from liberal government far more so than Obama who had 2 communist parents, is beloved by the CPUSA, and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders.

Are you getting the basic idea now?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Direct link to The Real Republican Theme Song ...

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