The Only People Denying Climate Change Are Those Calling Others Climate Change Deniers

[Old Rocks]

Of course, technology is going to change all of this.

As wind power booms Texas lawmakers consider yanking support Dallas Morning News

Thousands of wind turbines have sprung up across West Texas and up and down the Gulf Coast. Companies as diverse as Google and Dow Chemical are investing hundreds of millions of dollars in Texas in a race to lower their carbon emissions. With almost 20 percent of the country’s total capacity, Texas has become the undisputed king of wind energy.

With so much success, state politicians are asking whether it’s time for Texas to end its support for the renewable power industry.

State Sen. Troy Fraser, R-Horseshoe Bay, the chairman of the Senate Natural Resources Committee, has filed legislation to end the very renewable energy program he championed a decade ago, when wind power was still in its infancy.

What began as a goal of 2,000 megawatts of renewable energy in 1999 was eventually increased to 10,000 megawatts, to be met by 2025. But wind boomed far beyond estimates. Texas passed that 2025 goal five years ago and now counts 12,800 megawatts of wind power — at times supplying more than a quarter of the electricity on the grid.

As soon as the grid scale batteries are online, solar and wind is 24/7. And coal is history.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Of course, technology is going to change all of this.

As wind power booms Texas lawmakers consider yanking support Dallas Morning News

Thousands of wind turbines have sprung up across West Texas and up and down the Gulf Coast. Companies as diverse as Google and Dow Chemical are investing hundreds of millions of dollars in Texas in a race to lower their carbon emissions. With almost 20 percent of the country’s total capacity, Texas has become the undisputed king of wind energy.

With so much success, state politicians are asking whether it’s time for Texas to end its support for the renewable power industry.

State Sen. Troy Fraser, R-Horseshoe Bay, the chairman of the Senate Natural Resources Committee, has filed legislation to end the very renewable energy program he championed a decade ago, when wind power was still in its infancy.

What began as a goal of 2,000 megawatts of renewable energy in 1999 was eventually increased to 10,000 megawatts, to be met by 2025. But wind boomed far beyond estimates. Texas passed that 2025 goal five years ago and now counts 12,800 megawatts of wind power — at times supplying more than a quarter of the electricity on the grid.

As soon as the grid scale batteries are online, solar and wind is 24/7. And coal is history.

12,800 Mw of capacity that produces less than 2.9Mw and is only effective for 18% of the time requiring Coal fired generation to be on line constantly...

Its a farce and fools folly... Ending subsidies this year will see it crash into the ground.. Its about time..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Those were hardly surprises to ANYONE and they have no bearing on the cost per kwh - ie, they are fully factored into the numbers you've been provided.

Profit-making businesses keep spending money on wind and solar. That's the one point that makes it hard to take your claims seriously.

Bull shit! pull the subsidies and watch it crash.. just like other countries..

In Germany, utilities are forced to buy renewable energy at sometimes more than 10 times the cost of conventional power, in France 3 times. In the U.K., the Telegraph has reported that rather than providing cheaper energy, wind power costs the electric companies £50 per megawatt-hour, compared to £15 for conventional power. The wind industry is worried that the U.K., too, is starting to see that it is only subsidies and requirements on utilities to buy a certain amount of "green" power that prop up the wind towers and that it is a colossal waste of resources. The BWEA has even resorted to threatening prominent opponents as more projects are successfully blocked. Interestingly, long-term plans for energy use and emissions reduction by both the U.K. and the U.S. governments do not mention wind [click here for more about this (the article is in Spanish)]. Flemming Nissen, head of development at the Danish utility Elsam, told a meeting in Copenhagen, May 27, 2004, "Increased development of wind turbines does not reduce Danish CO2 emissions."

Dont look like to me Crick... the trend continues

Source

 

[Old Rocks]

Price of Wind Energy Goes Down in Texas StateImpact Texas

In the year 2000, Austin Energy unrolled a program giving consumers the option to fund wind energy development and the city became a recognized leader in energy innovation.

The GreenChoice program let homes and businesses pay slightly more for their power and buy directly from wind farms, hoping to finance and encourage development.

It worked so well that, by 2009, it was in trouble, and the program was scaled back. Texans in Austin and beyond were demanding more wind energy than power lines could carry, and clogged transmission infrastructure sent prices skyrocketing.

When GreenChoice premiered, consumers opting for wind energy could lock into a ten-year fixed price just six cents per kilowatt-hour more than the standard cost at the time. By 2009 the difference had risen to $2.05, due largely to transmission overload.

The revamped program reflects the new reality of wind power in Texas. How much more per kilowatt-hour are GreenChoice customers asked to pay today? Just one cent.

MOSE BUCHELE/STATEIMPACT TEXAS

Wind turbines in West Texas help produce record amounts of electricity for the state.

That’s thanks to almost $8 billion in publicly funded upgrades that connected the state’s western wind farms and its cities with high-volume power lines. The projectopened up vast new markets for Texas’ burgeoning wind industry, allowed the easy transmission of clean energy across hundreds of miles, and brought the price of clean energy closer to that of conventional fuels.

And today wind is much cheaper than dirty coal.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Price of Wind Energy Goes Down in Texas StateImpact Texas

In the year 2000, Austin Energy unrolled a program giving consumers the option to fund wind energy development and the city became a recognized leader in energy innovation.

The GreenChoice program let homes and businesses pay slightly more for their power and buy directly from wind farms, hoping to finance and encourage development.

It worked so well that, by 2009, it was in trouble, and the program was scaled back. Texans in Austin and beyond were demanding more wind energy than power lines could carry, and clogged transmission infrastructure sent prices skyrocketing.

When GreenChoice premiered, consumers opting for wind energy could lock into a ten-year fixed price just six cents per kilowatt-hour more than the standard cost at the time. By 2009 the difference had risen to $2.05, due largely to transmission overload.

The revamped program reflects the new reality of wind power in Texas. How much more per kilowatt-hour are GreenChoice customers asked to pay today? Just one cent.

MOSE BUCHELE/STATEIMPACT TEXAS

Wind turbines in West Texas help produce record amounts of electricity for the state.

That’s thanks to almost $8 billion in publicly funded upgrades that connected the state’s western wind farms and its cities with high-volume power lines. The projectopened up vast new markets for Texas’ burgeoning wind industry, allowed the easy transmission of clean energy across hundreds of miles, and brought the price of clean energy closer to that of conventional fuels.

And today wind is much cheaper than dirty coal.

Keep telling that lie Old Crock.. WE all know that is 10.3 times more expensive than Coal.. If you pull the subsidies its more expensive than everything on the market...

 

[jc456]

Those were hardly surprises to ANYONE and they have no bearing on the cost per kwh - ie, they are fully factored into the numbers you've been provided.

Profit-making businesses keep spending money on wind and solar. That's the one point that makes it hard to take your claims seriously.

dude, we know........it's all of our money too. Grants handed out. producing jack. JACK!!!!!!!

 

[jc456]

Price of Wind Energy Goes Down in Texas StateImpact Texas

In the year 2000, Austin Energy unrolled a program giving consumers the option to fund wind energy development and the city became a recognized leader in energy innovation.

The GreenChoice program let homes and businesses pay slightly more for their power and buy directly from wind farms, hoping to finance and encourage development.

It worked so well that, by 2009, it was in trouble, and the program was scaled back. Texans in Austin and beyond were demanding more wind energy than power lines could carry, and clogged transmission infrastructure sent prices skyrocketing.

When GreenChoice premiered, consumers opting for wind energy could lock into a ten-year fixed price just six cents per kilowatt-hour more than the standard cost at the time. By 2009 the difference had risen to $2.05, due largely to transmission overload.

The revamped program reflects the new reality of wind power in Texas. How much more per kilowatt-hour are GreenChoice customers asked to pay today? Just one cent.

MOSE BUCHELE/STATEIMPACT TEXAS

Wind turbines in West Texas help produce record amounts of electricity for the state.

That’s thanks to almost $8 billion in publicly funded upgrades that connected the state’s western wind farms and its cities with high-volume power lines. The projectopened up vast new markets for Texas’ burgeoning wind industry, allowed the easy transmission of clean energy across hundreds of miles, and brought the price of clean energy closer to that of conventional fuels.

And today wind is much cheaper than dirty coal.

yes, like pull the 8 billion of public funds buddy. you're so foolish it's funny.

 

[Crick]

Those were hardly surprises to ANYONE and they have no bearing on the cost per kwh - ie, they are fully factored into the numbers you've been provided.

Profit-making businesses keep spending money on wind and solar. That's the one point that makes it hard to take your claims seriously.

Bull shit! pull the subsidies and watch it crash.. just like other countries..

In Germany, utilities are forced to buy renewable energy at sometimes more than 10 times the cost of conventional power, in France 3 times. In the U.K., the Telegraph has reported that rather than providing cheaper energy, wind power costs the electric companies £50 per megawatt-hour, compared to £15 for conventional power. The wind industry is worried that the U.K., too, is starting to see that it is only subsidies and requirements on utilities to buy a certain amount of "green" power that prop up the wind towers and that it is a colossal waste of resources. The BWEA has even resorted to threatening prominent opponents as more projects are successfully blocked. Interestingly, long-term plans for energy use and emissions reduction by both the U.K. and the U.S. governments do not mention wind [click here for more about this (the article is in Spanish)]. Flemming Nissen, head of development at the Danish utility Elsam, told a meeting in Copenhagen, May 27, 2004, "Increased development of wind turbines does not reduce Danish CO2 emissions."

Dont look like to me Crick... the trend continues

Source

Nothing like a good objective source their Billy. Besides the author's severe bias, he's attempting to sell an anti-wind-power book and these comments are over five years old.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Those were hardly surprises to ANYONE and they have no bearing on the cost per kwh - ie, they are fully factored into the numbers you've been provided.

Profit-making businesses keep spending money on wind and solar. That's the one point that makes it hard to take your claims seriously.

Bull shit! pull the subsidies and watch it crash.. just like other countries..

In Germany, utilities are forced to buy renewable energy at sometimes more than 10 times the cost of conventional power, in France 3 times. In the U.K., the Telegraph has reported that rather than providing cheaper energy, wind power costs the electric companies £50 per megawatt-hour, compared to £15 for conventional power. The wind industry is worried that the U.K., too, is starting to see that it is only subsidies and requirements on utilities to buy a certain amount of "green" power that prop up the wind towers and that it is a colossal waste of resources. The BWEA has even resorted to threatening prominent opponents as more projects are successfully blocked. Interestingly, long-term plans for energy use and emissions reduction by both the U.K. and the U.S. governments do not mention wind [click here for more about this (the article is in Spanish)]. Flemming Nissen, head of development at the Danish utility Elsam, told a meeting in Copenhagen, May 27, 2004, "Increased development of wind turbines does not reduce Danish CO2 emissions."

Dont look like to me Crick... the trend continues

Source

Nothing like a good objective source their Billy. Besides the author's severe bias, he's attempting to sell an anti-wind-power book and these comments are over five years old.

The facts haven't changed... Despite the lies the left wing has to make up to try and sell this pile of crap.

 

[Crick]

Facts regarding the cost of wind and coal, of subsidies and exclusions, of new technology and changing ratios - all DO change Billy Bob.

When are you going to realize how difficult it's going to be to beat a technology with zero fuel cost, with a technology whose fuel is toxic, which causes the Earth to warm, is finite and constantly growing in cost? How is it you don't see what a losing hand you've dealt yourself?

 

[Old Rocks]

The Cost of Wind Energy in the U.S.

Of course, what any of us say doesn't matter a bit. What the utilities are saying is what matters, and for wind and solar, what they are saying is buy and build.

 

[jc456]

Those were hardly surprises to ANYONE and they have no bearing on the cost per kwh - ie, they are fully factored into the numbers you've been provided.

Profit-making businesses keep spending money on wind and solar. That's the one point that makes it hard to take your claims seriously.

Bull shit! pull the subsidies and watch it crash.. just like other countries..

In Germany, utilities are forced to buy renewable energy at sometimes more than 10 times the cost of conventional power, in France 3 times. In the U.K., the Telegraph has reported that rather than providing cheaper energy, wind power costs the electric companies £50 per megawatt-hour, compared to £15 for conventional power. The wind industry is worried that the U.K., too, is starting to see that it is only subsidies and requirements on utilities to buy a certain amount of "green" power that prop up the wind towers and that it is a colossal waste of resources. The BWEA has even resorted to threatening prominent opponents as more projects are successfully blocked. Interestingly, long-term plans for energy use and emissions reduction by both the U.K. and the U.S. governments do not mention wind [click here for more about this (the article is in Spanish)]. Flemming Nissen, head of development at the Danish utility Elsam, told a meeting in Copenhagen, May 27, 2004, "Increased development of wind turbines does not reduce Danish CO2 emissions."

Dont look like to me Crick... the trend continues

Source

Nothing like a good objective source their Billy. Besides the author's severe bias, he's attempting to sell an anti-wind-power book and these comments are over five years old.

Right, like that good ole boy club! Remember that

 

[jc456]

Facts regarding the cost of wind and coal, of subsidies and exclusions, of new technology and changing ratios - all DO change Billy Bob.

When are you going to realize how difficult it's going to be to beat a technology with zero fuel cost, with a technology whose fuel is toxic, which causes the Earth to warm, is finite and constantly growing in cost? How is it you don't see what a losing hand you've dealt yourself?

Hahahaha take away the subsidies and boom!!!!

 

[bripat9643]

The Cost of Wind Energy in the U.S.

Of course, what any of us say doesn't matter a bit. What the utilities are saying is what matters, and for wind and solar, what they are saying is buy and build.

The Hidden Costs of Wind Power - IER

 

[Billy_Bob]

The Cost of Wind Energy in the U.S.

Of course, what any of us say doesn't matter a bit. What the utilities are saying is what matters, and for wind and solar, what they are saying is buy and build.

The Hidden Costs of Wind Power - IER

"According to the American Tradition Institute, there are numerous hidden costs to wind power, including the cost of back-up power, the cost of extra transmission, and the cost of favorable tax benefits. And, the assumption of a 30-year life used in government calculations for wind power is optimistic given reports from European countries that have invested early in wind power.[vi] Including these hidden costs in calculating the cost of wind power increases its cost by a factor of 1.5 or 2, depending on the power system that is used as back-up. The Institute calculates that ratepayers are paying an extra $8.5 to $10 billion a year for wind power compared to natural gas-fired generation, and this will only grow as more capacity is added. Add to this the more than $12 billion that the American taxpayer is paying for the ‘one-year’ extension for the PTC, and one can see that the wind industry is getting a real boondoggle at the expense of taxpayers and ratepayers."

Now that is an inconvenient fact that old fraud and Crapick along with other enviro wackos dont want normal people to see..

 

[westwall]

The Cost of Wind Energy in the U.S.

Of course, what any of us say doesn't matter a bit. What the utilities are saying is what matters, and for wind and solar, what they are saying is buy and build.

This has what to do with the OP?

 

[Billy_Bob]

The item in yellow is a subsidy (aka: HIDDEN TAX levied on Coal generating facilities which have to be kept running to take up power drop when wind and solar fail. so we all get hit with this left wing hack tax.) it is subtracted from the cost to operate wind farms and added to coal fired reserve systems kept online to switch too when wind dies down and wind mills stop functioning. 25.2 cents/kwh for land based wind farms to operate and 29.3 cents/kwh for ocean based systems..It is a numbers game to make you believe that they are even near comparable forms of generation.

Kill the subsides/tax and watch wind and solar die. Shifting the costs of wind farms onto Coal fired plants and your electric bill all the time.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The Cost of Wind Energy in the U.S.

Of course, what any of us say doesn't matter a bit. What the utilities are saying is what matters, and for wind and solar, what they are saying is buy and build.

This has what to do with the OP?

Well it does prove he is a firm believer in the Pseudoscience of AGW and therefore a science denier....

 

[jc456]

The Cost of Wind Energy in the U.S.

Of course, what any of us say doesn't matter a bit. What the utilities are saying is what matters, and for wind and solar, what they are saying is buy and build.

This has what to do with the OP?

Should be deleted.mine are