The one idea that shaped all of human history.

Additionally, anyone that has actual read Plato and Aristotle will find that basis of Liberal thinking in regards to government.

dear, you are one part liar and one part illiterate
1) Plato wrote The Republic about an all powerful state composed of super elites
2) Aristotle stood for exactly the opposite and is known as the first conservative.

Welcome to your first lesson in ancient philosophy. Do you have the character to learn your lesson?.
 
unless we have govt to protect your natural right to the home you have built.

“Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

-Ronald Reagan

What Reagan actually meant was:

"Government (of the people, by the people and for the people) is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

but of course he was not an anarchist and believed in a central govt, but one with only the few enumerated powers granted to it by the Constitution.
 
From Plato and Aristotle forward the only significant idea in human history has been about freedom versus government. As freedom from liberal govt has advanced mankind's condition has advanced.

Liberalism stands squarely opposed to mankind's advancement but liberals simply lack the IQ to understand it.



Almost. I wouldn't say freedom vs. government. I'd say Freedom vs. Oppression...or the right of the individual to be left alone.
 
That being, power to govern derives from the consent of the governed. That is a complete liberal concept.

The conservative concept of government is that power is derived from might or a deity.


Dear, you need to think before you write. If consent from the people is fine with you then Hitler was fine with you. The conservative concept is superior because it carefully limits the power of evil govt.
 
This is what modern conservatives are looking for:

Constitutional monarchy

Abbott is a supporter of the constitutional monarchy in Australia.[55][162] Prior to entering Parliament, he was Executive Director of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy from 1993–94.[163] Arguing against the case for a republican system of government in Australia in 1999, Abbott outlined his beliefs on conservatism and the monarchy:

There are some people who believe that any republic would be better than what we have now. "Republic or bust" zealots are incapable of perceiving any difficulties. Conservatives, however, don't change anything lightly. Conservatives approach issues with instinctive respect for institutions and approaches that have stood the test of time. "If it is not necessary to change" the conservative ethos runs, "it is necessary not to change". "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" say conservatives, "and if it is broke, recycle it, don't throw it away". Abbott supports the argument espoused by former Prime Minister John Howard and Justice Michael Kirby that Australia is presently and should remain a crowned republic. He predicted in his 2009 book Battlelines that Australia would still be a crowned republic in 2020.[citation needed]
Tony Abbott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
This is what modern conservatives are looking for:

dear conservatives since Aristotle Cicero Jefferson Locke Friedman were looking for limited govt or freedom. Is that really over your head? See why we are positive a liberal will be slow?
 
Additionally, anyone that has actual read Plato and Aristotle will find that basis of Liberal thinking in regards to government.

dear, you are one part liar and one part illiterate
1) Plato wrote The Republic about an all powerful state composed of super elites
2) Aristotle stood for exactly the opposite and is known as the first conservative.

Welcome to your first lesson in ancient philosophy. Do you have the character to learn your lesson?.

1. Well no..and this proves you've never read "The Republic".
2. Aristotle was a student of Plato. And in no way could he be thought of as "conservative". He stressed Science, Analysis and Logic He was against mysticism (religion).
 
1. Well no..and this proves you've never read "The Republic".


1) Plato wrote The Republic about an all powerful state composed of super elites

dear, if that is mistaken please say why or admit to being illiterate and or lying.
 
2. Aristotle was a student of Plato. And in no way could he be thought of as "conservative"..


as I said you are liberal and a total illiterate:


Aristotle: Father of political conservatism - WorldNetDaily
Aristotle: Father of political conservatism
WorldNetDaily
Aug 14, 2010 - Aristotle. Like Aristotle, conservatives generally accept the world as it is; they distrust the politics of abstract reason – that is, reason divorced ...
 
This is what modern conservatives are looking for:

dear conservatives since Aristotle Cicero Jefferson Locke Friedman were looking for limited govt or freedom. Is that really over your head? See why we are positive a liberal will be slow?

Pookie, only guy on your list that's "conservative" is Milton Friedman. The rest are liberals.

Conservative philosophy is as follows:

"One King, One God, One Country, One People".

So simple even a child can remember it.
 
2. Aristotle was a student of Plato. And in no way could he be thought of as "conservative"..


as I said you are liberal and a total illiterate:


Aristotle: Father of political conservatism - WorldNetDaily
Aristotle: Father of political conservatism
WorldNetDaily
Aug 14, 2010 - Aristotle. Like Aristotle, conservatives generally accept the world as it is; they distrust the politics of abstract reason – that is, reason divorced ...

Oooooohhhhhh..

World Net Daily...

They told you to adopt Aristotle and now you do.

Trying actually reading him.

See how you like it.

:D
 
2. Aristotle was a student of Plato. And in no way could he be thought of as "conservative"..


as I said you are liberal and a total illiterate:


Aristotle: Father of political conservatism - WorldNetDaily
Aristotle: Father of political conservatism
WorldNetDaily
Aug 14, 2010 - Aristotle. Like Aristotle, conservatives generally accept the world as it is; they distrust the politics of abstract reason – that is, reason divorced ...

Oooooohhhhhh..

World Net Daily...

They told you to adopt Aristotle and now you do.

Trying actually reading him.

See how you like it.

:D

dear, the world has read Aristotle for 2000 years, but you as an illiterate haven't


Liberals and Conservatives / Plato and Aristotle
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Secondly, conservatives, like Aristotle, lean toward political suspicion, since they believe mankind is not infinitely malleable, and they ...
 
2. Aristotle was a student of Plato.


dear, they lived at different times. Do you see now that liberalism is based in ignorance

No way!

You really ARE this stupid.

ristotle (/ˈærɪˌstɒtəl/;[1] Greek: Ἀριστοτέλης [aristotélɛːs], Aristotélēs; 384–322 BCE)[2] was a Greek philosopher and scientist born in Stagirus, northern Greece, in 384 BCE. His father, Nicomachus, died when Aristotle was a child, whereafter Proxenus of Atarneus became his guardian.[3] At eighteen, he joined Plato's Academy in Athens and remained there until the age of thirty-seven (c. 347 BCE). His writings cover many subjects – including physics, biology, zoology, metaphysics, logic, ethics, aesthetics, poetry, theater, music, rhetoric, linguistics, politics and government – and constitute the first comprehensive system of Western philosophy. Shortly after Plato died, Aristotle left Athens and, at the request of Philip of Macedon, tutored Alexander the Great between 356 and 323 BCE. According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "Aristotle was the first genuine scientist in history ... [and] every scientist is in his debt."[4]

Teaching Alexander the Great gave Aristotle many opportunities and an abundance of supplies. He established a library in the Lyceum which aided in the production of many of his hundreds of books. The fact that Aristotle was a pupil of Plato contributed to his former views of Platonism, but, following Plato's death, Aristotle immersed himself in empirical studies and shifted from Platonism to empiricism.[5] He believed all peoples' concepts and all of their knowledge was ultimately based on perception. Aristotle's views on natural sciences represent the groundwork underlying many of his works.
Aristotle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plato founded his famous teaching Academy in Athens ca. 387 BC. In 367, the ambitious and intellectually gifted Aristotle, then age 17, journeyed from his native city of Stagira, in Northern Greece, to Athens and Plato's Academy -- much as a promising young scholar today might travel to Cambridge or Oxford for university studies. Aristotle's decision may have been based on Plato's fame and reputation as the leading philosopher of the times. Aristotle remained connected with Plato's Academy for 20 years, until Plato's death. Shortly thereafter, Aristotle traveled to Macedonia to serve (for seven years) as tutor to the young Alexander the Great.
How did Plato and Aristotle meet

Get out of the basement. Go to a library for pete's sake.

:eek:
 
1. Well no..and this proves you've never read "The Republic".


1) Plato wrote The Republic about an all powerful state composed of super elites

dear, if that is mistaken please say why or admit to being illiterate and or lying.

No..it's incorrect.

The Republic is an allegory about the state's relationship to justice and it's citizens.

You really haven't read it.
 
From Plato and Aristotle forward the only significant idea in human history has been about freedom versus government. As freedom from liberal govt has advanced mankind's condition has advanced.

Liberalism stands squarely opposed to mankind's advancement but liberals simply lack the IQ to understand it.

Dems respond: "You didn't build that!"
 
This is one of my favorite parts of "The Republic":

Allegory of the Cave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plato has Socrates describe a gathering of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to designate names to these shadows. The shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners.

The allegory may be related to Plato's Theory of Forms, according to which the "Forms" (or "Ideas"), and not the material world of change known to us through sensation, possess the highest and most fundamental kind of reality. Only knowledge of the Forms constitutes real knowledge.[1] Socrates informs Glaucon that the most excellent must learn the greatest of all studies, which is to behold the Good. Those who have ascended to this highest level, however, must not remain there but must return to the cave and dwell with the prisoners, sharing in their labors and honors.
Allegory of the Cave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's a perfect representation of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives.

Conservatives are just fine to live in the cave and engage in shadowplay.

Liberals, however, are the ones that want out.
 
I think it's a perfect representation of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives.

as I said you're a total 100% illiterate liberal! Plato was the first Nazi totalitarian comminist liberal statist.

Totalitarianism - does it derive from Plato or from Judaism?
mailstar.net/popper-vs-toynbee.html
Karl Popper, in his book The Open Society and its Enemies, sourced Plato as the inspiration of the Communist movement, and ridiculed Arnold Toynbee for ..
 
I think it's a perfect representation of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives.

as I said you're a total 100% illiterate liberal! Plato was the first Nazi totalitarian comminist liberal statist.

Totalitarianism - does it derive from Plato or from Judaism?
mailstar.net/popper-vs-toynbee.html
Karl Popper, in his book The Open Society and its Enemies, sourced Plato as the inspiration of the Communist movement, and ridiculed Arnold Toynbee for ..

Well, actually: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/hess.html
 
I think it's a perfect representation of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives.

as I said you're a total 100% illiterate liberal! Plato was the first Nazi totalitarian comminist liberal statist.

Totalitarianism - does it derive from Plato or from Judaism?
mailstar.net/popper-vs-toynbee.html
Karl Popper, in his book The Open Society and its Enemies, sourced Plato as the inspiration of the Communist movement, and ridiculed Arnold Toynbee for ..

Well, actually: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/hess.html

dear, can you express yourself?? We don't take reading assignments from liberals. Sorry
 

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