The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[P F Tinmore]

Do you have any proof that they were not there before the Jews or are you just babbling?

Do you have any proof that they were? (And yes, invasion cultures, by definition, are the culture of the invading group and therefore not indigenous cultures.)

Like the Hebrews invading from Egypt.

Speaking of no proof, its a lie to suggest the Judaic people came from Egypt. Firstly even if you do take the bible story at face value then they still arrived in the Canaan valley about 3000 years BEFORE the Arab Muslim colonists.

As for that other little ditty about what defines a palestinian, your version as usual is a tad disingenuous since you left off the most important criteria. Oh and if you are going to quote the UN then lets keep it in context by including the ENTIRE definition ;--)

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WHO ARE PALESTINE REFUGEES?

Palestine refugees are defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.”
UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

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So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period. Now its a definition provided by the UN that defines who a palestinian is, and as we all can see its not dependent on anything but location within a two year period.

Show us a similar definition used to define nationality or an indigenous designation ;--)


Your argument falls flat at ever turn. The original inhabitants appear to be the Egyptians who later abandoned the area in the late bronze age collapse at which point the more primitive people living in the mountainous areas ( the proto Judaic people ) began to develop into the tribes eventually associated with Jewish character.

All this about 4500 years BEFORE the first Arab Muslim colonists ever arrived

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period.​

Link?

 

[montelatici]

Do you have any proof that they were not there before the Jews or are you just babbling?

Do you have any proof that they were? (And yes, invasion cultures, by definition, are the culture of the invading group and therefore not indigenous cultures.)

Like the Hebrews invading from Egypt.

Speaking of no proof, its a lie to suggest the Judaic people came from Egypt. Firstly even if you do take the bible story at face value then they still arrived in the Canaan valley about 3000 years BEFORE the Arab Muslim colonists.

As for that other little ditty about what defines a palestinian, your version as usual is a tad disingenuous since you left off the most important criteria. Oh and if you are going to quote the UN then lets keep it in context by including the ENTIRE definition ;--)

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WHO ARE PALESTINE REFUGEES?

Palestine refugees are defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.”
UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

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So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period. Now its a definition provided by the UN that defines who a palestinian is, and as we all can see its not dependent on anything but location within a two year period.

Show us a similar definition used to define nationality

The Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925.

 

[Boston1]

Do you have any proof that they were not there before the Jews or are you just babbling?

Do you have any proof that they were? (And yes, invasion cultures, by definition, are the culture of the invading group and therefore not indigenous cultures.)

Like the Hebrews invading from Egypt.

Speaking of no proof, its a lie to suggest the Judaic people came from Egypt. Firstly even if you do take the bible story at face value then they still arrived in the Canaan valley about 3000 years BEFORE the Arab Muslim colonists.

As for that other little ditty about what defines a palestinian, your version as usual is a tad disingenuous since you left off the most important criteria. Oh and if you are going to quote the UN then lets keep it in context by including the ENTIRE definition ;--)

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WHO ARE PALESTINE REFUGEES?

Palestine refugees are defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.”
UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

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So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period. Now its a definition provided by the UN that defines who a palestinian is, and as we all can see its not dependent on anything but location within a two year period.

Show us a similar definition used to define nationality or an indigenous designation ;--)


Your argument falls flat at ever turn. The original inhabitants appear to be the Egyptians who later abandoned the area in the late bronze age collapse at which point the more primitive people living in the mountainous areas ( the proto Judaic people ) began to develop into the tribes eventually associated with Jewish character.

All this about 4500 years BEFORE the first Arab Muslim colonists ever arrived

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period.​

Link?

This is pathetic. Do you really think questioning the same explicit facts over and over will convince anyone actually reading this that you have any knowledge or valid input on this subject ? Face it, the evidence is overwhelming

Palestinian citizenship or what the UN considers a palestinian to be has nothing to do with anything even remotely indigenous in nature. One only had to reside in the mandate area for a two year period of time to qualify. AND any orders given by the mandating authorities EXPIRED with the mandate.

For about the fifth time

The creation of Palestinian citizenship under an ...

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At no other time, except between 1925 and 1948, did a Palestinian citizen exist, yet even today the citizenship laws of the successor states of Palestine (Israel, the West Bank under Jordanian administration, Gaza under Egyptian administration, and the current Palestinian Authority) have included some elements of Ottoman nationality legislation and Palestine Mandate citizenship legislation.
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See also
Citizenship After Orientalism: An Unfinished Project

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you have any proof that they were not there before the Jews or are you just babbling?

Do you have any proof that they were? (And yes, invasion cultures, by definition, are the culture of the invading group and therefore not indigenous cultures.)

Like the Hebrews invading from Egypt.

Speaking of no proof, its a lie to suggest the Judaic people came from Egypt. Firstly even if you do take the bible story at face value then they still arrived in the Canaan valley about 3000 years BEFORE the Arab Muslim colonists.

As for that other little ditty about what defines a palestinian, your version as usual is a tad disingenuous since you left off the most important criteria. Oh and if you are going to quote the UN then lets keep it in context by including the ENTIRE definition ;--)

Quote
WHO ARE PALESTINE REFUGEES?

Palestine refugees are defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.”
UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

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So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period. Now its a definition provided by the UN that defines who a palestinian is, and as we all can see its not dependent on anything but location within a two year period.

Show us a similar definition used to define nationality or an indigenous designation ;--)


Your argument falls flat at ever turn. The original inhabitants appear to be the Egyptians who later abandoned the area in the late bronze age collapse at which point the more primitive people living in the mountainous areas ( the proto Judaic people ) began to develop into the tribes eventually associated with Jewish character.

All this about 4500 years BEFORE the first Arab Muslim colonists ever arrived

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period.​

Link?

This is pathetic. Do you really think questioning the same explicit facts over and over will convince anyone actually reading this that you have any knowledge or valid input on this subject ? Face it, the evidence is overwhelming

Palestinian citizenship or what the UN considers a palestinian to be has nothing to do with anything even remotely indigenous in nature. One only had to reside in the mandate area for a two year period of time to qualify. AND any orders given by the mandating authorities EXPIRED with the mandate.

For about the fifth time

The creation of Palestinian citizenship under an ...

Quote


At no other time, except between 1925 and 1948, did a Palestinian citizen exist, yet even today the citizenship laws of the successor states of Palestine (Israel, the West Bank under Jordanian administration, Gaza under Egyptian administration, and the current Palestinian Authority) have included some elements of Ottoman nationality legislation and Palestine Mandate citizenship legislation.
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See also
Citizenship After Orientalism: An Unfinished Project

OK, but Palestinian citizenship was already established by customary international law by the succession of states. This was reiterated by Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

The Palestinian citizenship order of 1925 was a colonial order designed to limit the rights provided by law and treaty. Whether that order expired or not does not change the existing rights of the Palestinians.

 

[Boston1]

Do you have any proof that they were? (And yes, invasion cultures, by definition, are the culture of the invading group and therefore not indigenous cultures.)

Like the Hebrews invading from Egypt.

Speaking of no proof, its a lie to suggest the Judaic people came from Egypt. Firstly even if you do take the bible story at face value then they still arrived in the Canaan valley about 3000 years BEFORE the Arab Muslim colonists.

As for that other little ditty about what defines a palestinian, your version as usual is a tad disingenuous since you left off the most important criteria. Oh and if you are going to quote the UN then lets keep it in context by including the ENTIRE definition ;--)

Quote
WHO ARE PALESTINE REFUGEES?

Palestine refugees are defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.”
UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

End Quote

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period. Now its a definition provided by the UN that defines who a palestinian is, and as we all can see its not dependent on anything but location within a two year period.

Show us a similar definition used to define nationality or an indigenous designation ;--)


Your argument falls flat at ever turn. The original inhabitants appear to be the Egyptians who later abandoned the area in the late bronze age collapse at which point the more primitive people living in the mountainous areas ( the proto Judaic people ) began to develop into the tribes eventually associated with Jewish character.

All this about 4500 years BEFORE the first Arab Muslim colonists ever arrived

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period.​

Link?

This is pathetic. Do you really think questioning the same explicit facts over and over will convince anyone actually reading this that you have any knowledge or valid input on this subject ? Face it, the evidence is overwhelming

Palestinian citizenship or what the UN considers a palestinian to be has nothing to do with anything even remotely indigenous in nature. One only had to reside in the mandate area for a two year period of time to qualify. AND any orders given by the mandating authorities EXPIRED with the mandate.

For about the fifth time

The creation of Palestinian citizenship under an ...

Quote


At no other time, except between 1925 and 1948, did a Palestinian citizen exist, yet even today the citizenship laws of the successor states of Palestine (Israel, the West Bank under Jordanian administration, Gaza under Egyptian administration, and the current Palestinian Authority) have included some elements of Ottoman nationality legislation and Palestine Mandate citizenship legislation.
End Quote

See also
Citizenship After Orientalism: An Unfinished Project

OK, but Palestinian citizenship was already established by customary international law by the succession of states. This was reiterated by Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

The Palestinian citizenship order of 1925 was a colonial order designed to limit the rights provided by law and treaty. Whether that order expired or not does not change the existing rights of the Palestinians.

Not true

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SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.
Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

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Clearly the article is pertaining to Great Britain which became the governing state, and a signatory of the treaty. Israel isn't party to this treaty and even if it was there is no provision for Jordan having stripped palestinians of citizenship in an effort to further destabilize Israel. Also the article fails to take into account the conditions of either war or martial law. Conditions in which neither combatants or their descendants fall under the protections afforded "protected persons"

See
UN charter
also see
IV Geneva convention

Sorry but the entire argument against the Israeli's is based on hatred rather than fact. Prejudice and bigotry rather than history.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Like the Hebrews invading from Egypt.

Speaking of no proof, its a lie to suggest the Judaic people came from Egypt. Firstly even if you do take the bible story at face value then they still arrived in the Canaan valley about 3000 years BEFORE the Arab Muslim colonists.

As for that other little ditty about what defines a palestinian, your version as usual is a tad disingenuous since you left off the most important criteria. Oh and if you are going to quote the UN then lets keep it in context by including the ENTIRE definition ;--)

Quote
WHO ARE PALESTINE REFUGEES?

Palestine refugees are defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.”
UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

End Quote

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period. Now its a definition provided by the UN that defines who a palestinian is, and as we all can see its not dependent on anything but location within a two year period.

Show us a similar definition used to define nationality or an indigenous designation ;--)


Your argument falls flat at ever turn. The original inhabitants appear to be the Egyptians who later abandoned the area in the late bronze age collapse at which point the more primitive people living in the mountainous areas ( the proto Judaic people ) began to develop into the tribes eventually associated with Jewish character.

All this about 4500 years BEFORE the first Arab Muslim colonists ever arrived

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period.​

Link?

This is pathetic. Do you really think questioning the same explicit facts over and over will convince anyone actually reading this that you have any knowledge or valid input on this subject ? Face it, the evidence is overwhelming

Palestinian citizenship or what the UN considers a palestinian to be has nothing to do with anything even remotely indigenous in nature. One only had to reside in the mandate area for a two year period of time to qualify. AND any orders given by the mandating authorities EXPIRED with the mandate.

For about the fifth time

The creation of Palestinian citizenship under an ...

Quote


At no other time, except between 1925 and 1948, did a Palestinian citizen exist, yet even today the citizenship laws of the successor states of Palestine (Israel, the West Bank under Jordanian administration, Gaza under Egyptian administration, and the current Palestinian Authority) have included some elements of Ottoman nationality legislation and Palestine Mandate citizenship legislation.
End Quote

See also
Citizenship After Orientalism: An Unfinished Project

OK, but Palestinian citizenship was already established by customary international law by the succession of states. This was reiterated by Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

The Palestinian citizenship order of 1925 was a colonial order designed to limit the rights provided by law and treaty. Whether that order expired or not does not change the existing rights of the Palestinians.

Not true

Quote

SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.
Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

End Quote

Clearly the article is pertaining to Great Britain which became the governing state, and a signatory of the treaty. Israel isn't party to this treaty and even if it was there is no provision for Jordan having stripped palestinians of citizenship in an effort to further destabilize Israel. Also the article fails to take into account the conditions of either war or martial law. Conditions in which neither combatants or their descendants fall under the protections afforded "protected persons"

See
UN charter
also see
IV Geneva convention

Sorry but the entire argument against the Israeli's is based on hatred rather than fact. Prejudice and bigotry rather than history.

Clearly the article is pertaining to Great Britain which became the governing state...​

Not true. You are basing your opinion on false premise.

 

[Boston1]

Speaking of no proof, its a lie to suggest the Judaic people came from Egypt. Firstly even if you do take the bible story at face value then they still arrived in the Canaan valley about 3000 years BEFORE the Arab Muslim colonists.

As for that other little ditty about what defines a palestinian, your version as usual is a tad disingenuous since you left off the most important criteria. Oh and if you are going to quote the UN then lets keep it in context by including the ENTIRE definition ;--)

Quote
WHO ARE PALESTINE REFUGEES?

Palestine refugees are defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.”
UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

End Quote

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period. Now its a definition provided by the UN that defines who a palestinian is, and as we all can see its not dependent on anything but location within a two year period.

Show us a similar definition used to define nationality or an indigenous designation ;--)


Your argument falls flat at ever turn. The original inhabitants appear to be the Egyptians who later abandoned the area in the late bronze age collapse at which point the more primitive people living in the mountainous areas ( the proto Judaic people ) began to develop into the tribes eventually associated with Jewish character.

All this about 4500 years BEFORE the first Arab Muslim colonists ever arrived

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period.​

Link?

This is pathetic. Do you really think questioning the same explicit facts over and over will convince anyone actually reading this that you have any knowledge or valid input on this subject ? Face it, the evidence is overwhelming

Palestinian citizenship or what the UN considers a palestinian to be has nothing to do with anything even remotely indigenous in nature. One only had to reside in the mandate area for a two year period of time to qualify. AND any orders given by the mandating authorities EXPIRED with the mandate.

For about the fifth time

The creation of Palestinian citizenship under an ...

Quote


At no other time, except between 1925 and 1948, did a Palestinian citizen exist, yet even today the citizenship laws of the successor states of Palestine (Israel, the West Bank under Jordanian administration, Gaza under Egyptian administration, and the current Palestinian Authority) have included some elements of Ottoman nationality legislation and Palestine Mandate citizenship legislation.
End Quote

See also
Citizenship After Orientalism: An Unfinished Project

OK, but Palestinian citizenship was already established by customary international law by the succession of states. This was reiterated by Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

The Palestinian citizenship order of 1925 was a colonial order designed to limit the rights provided by law and treaty. Whether that order expired or not does not change the existing rights of the Palestinians.

Not true

Quote

SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.
Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

End Quote

Clearly the article is pertaining to Great Britain which became the governing state, and a signatory of the treaty. Israel isn't party to this treaty and even if it was there is no provision for Jordan having stripped palestinians of citizenship in an effort to further destabilize Israel. Also the article fails to take into account the conditions of either war or martial law. Conditions in which neither combatants or their descendants fall under the protections afforded "protected persons"

See
UN charter
also see
IV Geneva convention

Sorry but the entire argument against the Israeli's is based on hatred rather than fact. Prejudice and bigotry rather than history.

Clearly the article is pertaining to Great Britain which became the governing state...​

Not true. You are basing your opinion on false premise.

Unless Israel's signature is on that treaty it doesn't apply to them. ;--)

The treaty of Lausanne was also superseded by a whole slew of later treaties. Of particular note is IV Geneva convention, which Israel did sign but with reservations as I recall. But the IV G clearly states that combatants are not considered protected persons and since the UN has failed to segregate combatants and their descendants from the legitimate refugee population; it would not be possible at this time to make a reasonable determination of who any such right might even apply too.

On any number of points your reference falls flat in providing a basis for support in international law.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So its not simply people who fell under the citizenship order, that expired with the end of the mandate period.​

Link?

This is pathetic. Do you really think questioning the same explicit facts over and over will convince anyone actually reading this that you have any knowledge or valid input on this subject ? Face it, the evidence is overwhelming

Palestinian citizenship or what the UN considers a palestinian to be has nothing to do with anything even remotely indigenous in nature. One only had to reside in the mandate area for a two year period of time to qualify. AND any orders given by the mandating authorities EXPIRED with the mandate.

For about the fifth time

The creation of Palestinian citizenship under an ...

Quote


At no other time, except between 1925 and 1948, did a Palestinian citizen exist, yet even today the citizenship laws of the successor states of Palestine (Israel, the West Bank under Jordanian administration, Gaza under Egyptian administration, and the current Palestinian Authority) have included some elements of Ottoman nationality legislation and Palestine Mandate citizenship legislation.
End Quote

See also
Citizenship After Orientalism: An Unfinished Project

OK, but Palestinian citizenship was already established by customary international law by the succession of states. This was reiterated by Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

The Palestinian citizenship order of 1925 was a colonial order designed to limit the rights provided by law and treaty. Whether that order expired or not does not change the existing rights of the Palestinians.

Not true

Quote

SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.
Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

End Quote

Clearly the article is pertaining to Great Britain which became the governing state, and a signatory of the treaty. Israel isn't party to this treaty and even if it was there is no provision for Jordan having stripped palestinians of citizenship in an effort to further destabilize Israel. Also the article fails to take into account the conditions of either war or martial law. Conditions in which neither combatants or their descendants fall under the protections afforded "protected persons"

See
UN charter
also see
IV Geneva convention

Sorry but the entire argument against the Israeli's is based on hatred rather than fact. Prejudice and bigotry rather than history.

Clearly the article is pertaining to Great Britain which became the governing state...​

Not true. You are basing your opinion on false premise.

Unless Israel's signature is on that treaty it doesn't apply to them. ;--)

The treaty of Lausanne was also superseded by a whole slew of later treaties. Of particular note is IV Geneva convention, which Israel did sign but with reservations as I recall. But the IV G clearly states that combatants are not considered protected persons and since the UN has failed to segregate combatants and their descendants from the legitimate refugee population; it would not be possible at this time to make a reasonable determination of who any such right might even apply too.

On any number of points your reference falls flat in providing a basis for support in international law.

Where did the Geneva Convention change anything in the Treaty of Lausanne?

 

[Shusha]

Some thoughts on indigenous peoples by an indigenous Metis Canadian:

On the uniqueness of Israel as a modern nation-State:

Israel is the world’s first modern indigenous state: the creation and declaration of the sovereign nation of Israel marks the first time in history that an indigenous people has managed to regain control of its ancestral lands and build a nation state. As such, this is incredibly important for indigenous people both to recognize and to support as a great example for our peoples to emulate.



On the inadmissibility of the Palestinian claim:

Some Palestinians share common ancestry with indigenous peoples, but they neither follow indigenous traditions nor do they self-identify as those indigenous peoples. They share neither religion nor language with them. Blood quantum alone is insufficient to transmit indigenous status

The Arabs of the Middle East subsumed several indigenous populations, but no group can become indigenous through subsuming indigenous peoples. Rather, they conquered the entire region and spread their own language, customs, and religion. This is historical fact.



On the importance of recognizing the Jewish claim:

Now you might ask, why is this important? It is important to indigenous people because we cannot allow the argument that conquerors can become indigenous. If we, as other indigenous people, allow that argument to be made, then we are delegitimising our own rights.
If conquerors can become indigenous, then the white Europeans who came to my indigenous lands in North America could now claim to be indigenous. The white Europeans who went to Australia and New Zealand could now claim to be indigenous. If we, even once, allow that argument to be made, indigenous rights are suddenly devalued and meaningless.



And, while we are here, a big shout out to Canada for being on the forefront of acknowledging and respecting indigenous rights by establishing treaties and agreements which entrench the rights for self-determination and self-governance with our indigenous peoples. We still have a long way to go. But we are the world leaders in this area.

 

[montelatici]

Some thoughts on indigenous peoples by an indigenous Metis Canadian:

On the uniqueness of Israel as a modern nation-State:

Israel is the world’s first modern indigenous state: the creation and declaration of the sovereign nation of Israel marks the first time in history that an indigenous people has managed to regain control of its ancestral lands and build a nation state. As such, this is incredibly important for indigenous people both to recognize and to support as a great example for our peoples to emulate.



On the inadmissibility of the Palestinian claim:

Some Palestinians share common ancestry with indigenous peoples, but they neither follow indigenous traditions nor do they self-identify as those indigenous peoples. They share neither religion nor language with them. Blood quantum alone is insufficient to transmit indigenous status

The Arabs of the Middle East subsumed several indigenous populations, but no group can become indigenous through subsuming indigenous peoples. Rather, they conquered the entire region and spread their own language, customs, and religion. This is historical fact.



On the importance of recognizing the Jewish claim:

Now you might ask, why is this important? It is important to indigenous people because we cannot allow the argument that conquerors can become indigenous. If we, as other indigenous people, allow that argument to be made, then we are delegitimising our own rights.
If conquerors can become indigenous, then the white Europeans who came to my indigenous lands in North America could now claim to be indigenous. The white Europeans who went to Australia and New Zealand could now claim to be indigenous. If we, even once, allow that argument to be made, indigenous rights are suddenly devalued and meaningless.



And, while we are here, a big shout out to Canada for being on the forefront of acknowledging and respecting indigenous rights by establishing treaties and agreements which entrench the rights for self-determination and self-governance with our indigenous peoples. We still have a long way to go. But we are the world leaders in this area.

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

 

[Shusha]

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

 

[montelatici]

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

The Europeans that colonized Palestine were culturally European and ethnically European. Stop this nonsense.

 

[Boston1]

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

The Europeans that colonized Palestine were culturally European and ethnically European. Stop this nonsense.

You are blinded by racism, bigotry and hatred; there is no doubt that the Judaic people developed their language and culture within the mandated area. A claim that out distances any other claim by about 4500 years, based on the archeological evidence already presented

 

[montelatici]

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

The Europeans that colonized Palestine were culturally European and ethnically European. Stop this nonsense.

You are blinded by racism, bigotry and hatred; there is no doubt that the Judaic people developed their language and culture within the mandated area. A claim that out distances any other claim by about 4500 years, based on the archeological evidence already presented

Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center


Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center

 

[montelatici]

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

The Europeans that colonized Palestine were culturally European and ethnically European. Stop this nonsense.

You are blinded by racism, bigotry and hatred; there is no doubt that the Judaic people developed their language and culture within the mandated area. A claim that out distances any other claim by about 4500 years, based on the archeological evidence already presented

Oh stop this bullshit, you are the racist, hater and bigot Hasbara fellowship graduate.

 

[Boston1]

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

The Europeans that colonized Palestine were culturally European and ethnically European. Stop this nonsense.

You are blinded by racism, bigotry and hatred; there is no doubt that the Judaic people developed their language and culture within the mandated area. A claim that out distances any other claim by about 4500 years, based on the archeological evidence already presented

Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center


Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center

ONE building with SOME Minoan influences does not a history make. This time period was rich with Egyptian influences as this time frame was just prior to the late bronze age collapse, when the Egyptians fled back to Egypt.

Sorry but overwhelmingly the evidence proves JUDIAC origins in this area.

Unless that is you are now arguing the Monoan culture developed in the Canaan valley LMAO Best of luck with that one

Once again your racism and hatred is blinding you from even simple thought processes

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The Tel Kabri fresoes and painting are, however, the only evidence of Minoan or Cycladic-style artwork in present-day Israel (or among the ancient Canaanites). And new excavations begun in 2005 under the direction of Eric Cline of George Washington University and Assaf Yasur-Landau of the University of Haifa have added to the discovery. During excavations in 2008 and 2009, they found more than 100 new fragments of wall and floor plaster,

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Once again you quote fails to support your assertion and your hatred is blinding you to even the basics

 

[montelatici]

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

The Europeans that colonized Palestine were culturally European and ethnically European. Stop this nonsense.

You are blinded by racism, bigotry and hatred; there is no doubt that the Judaic people developed their language and culture within the mandated area. A claim that out distances any other claim by about 4500 years, based on the archeological evidence already presented

Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center


Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center

ONE building with SOME Minoan influences does not a history make. This time period was rich with Egyptian influences as this time frame was just prior to the late bronze age collapse, when the Egyptians fled back to Egypt.

Sorry but overwhelmingly the evidence proves JUDIAC origins in this area.

Unless that is you are now arguing the Monoan culture now developed in the Canaan valley LMAO

Once again your racism and hatred is blinding you from even simple thought processes

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The Tel Kabri fresoes and painting are, however, the only evidence of Minoan or Cycladic-style artwork in present-day Israel (or among the ancient Canaanites). And new excavations begun in 2005 under the direction of Eric Cline of George Washington University and Assaf Yasur-Landau of the University of Haifa have added to the discovery. During excavations in 2008 and 2009, they found more than 100 new fragments of wall and floor plaster,

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The Jews invaded Canaan, that's a fact.

 

[Boston1]

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

The Europeans that colonized Palestine were culturally European and ethnically European. Stop this nonsense.

You are blinded by racism, bigotry and hatred; there is no doubt that the Judaic people developed their language and culture within the mandated area. A claim that out distances any other claim by about 4500 years, based on the archeological evidence already presented

Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center


Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center

ONE building with SOME Minoan influences does not a history make. This time period was rich with Egyptian influences as this time frame was just prior to the late bronze age collapse, when the Egyptians fled back to Egypt.

Sorry but overwhelmingly the evidence proves JUDIAC origins in this area.

Unless that is you are now arguing the Monoan culture now developed in the Canaan valley LMAO

Once again your racism and hatred is blinding you from even simple thought processes

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The Tel Kabri fresoes and painting are, however, the only evidence of Minoan or Cycladic-style artwork in present-day Israel (or among the ancient Canaanites). And new excavations begun in 2005 under the direction of Eric Cline of George Washington University and Assaf Yasur-Landau of the University of Haifa have added to the discovery. During excavations in 2008 and 2009, they found more than 100 new fragments of wall and floor plaster,

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The Jews invaded Canaan, that's a fact.

It never ceases to amaze me how your entire position is dependent on lies.

Best archeological evidence clearly shows that the proto Judaic people developed in the Canaan valley undisturbed well into Babylonian times, and that the bible story is false. There was no conquest of Canaan.

If you are going to base your hatred and bigotry on mythology then your dependance on lies and fake quotes to maintain your position suddenly makes a lot more sense.

 

[Challenger]

But Jews were conquerors, they came from somewhere else.

No. The Jewish people and the Jewish culture developed on the territory in question.

Judaism developed in Mesopotamia/Babylon, it was a more radical fundamentalist version of some Judean monotheist cults that existed previously.

 

[Challenger]

The Europeans that colonized Palestine were culturally European and ethnically European. Stop this nonsense.

You are blinded by racism, bigotry and hatred; there is no doubt that the Judaic people developed their language and culture within the mandated area. A claim that out distances any other claim by about 4500 years, based on the archeological evidence already presented

Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center


Archaeologists Uncover Rare Finds at an Ancient Canaanite Center

ONE building with SOME Minoan influences does not a history make. This time period was rich with Egyptian influences as this time frame was just prior to the late bronze age collapse, when the Egyptians fled back to Egypt.

Sorry but overwhelmingly the evidence proves JUDIAC origins in this area.

Unless that is you are now arguing the Monoan culture now developed in the Canaan valley LMAO

Once again your racism and hatred is blinding you from even simple thought processes

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The Tel Kabri fresoes and painting are, however, the only evidence of Minoan or Cycladic-style artwork in present-day Israel (or among the ancient Canaanites). And new excavations begun in 2005 under the direction of Eric Cline of George Washington University and Assaf Yasur-Landau of the University of Haifa have added to the discovery. During excavations in 2008 and 2009, they found more than 100 new fragments of wall and floor plaster,

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The Jews invaded Canaan, that's a fact.

It never ceases to amaze me how your entire position is dependent on lies.

Best archeological evidence clearly shows that the proto Judaic people developed in the Canaan valley undisturbed well into Babylonian times, and that the bible story is false. There was no conquest of Canaan.

If you are going to base your hatred and bigotry on mythology then your dependance on lies and fake quotes to maintain your position suddenly makes a lot more sense.

There's no such thing as a "Judaic people"