The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Rigby5]

Indeed, it is interesting how the same people who demand an Arab state, have no problem with UN resolutions and Arabian kings infringing on sovereignty of nations, but will twist and deny international law the moment it recognizes the rights of the Jewish nation to the land.

It is israeli who are denying the international laws.

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

yours Mean, by force you are invade holly land and by force holly land will be freed.

It's already the most free country in the region,
if not an exemplary case for the entire world given the circumstances.
Certainly better than any Arab or Muslim run country You'll find.

No force is powerful to withstand G-d's decisions,
billions of Muslims who cannot stand Israel's revival, will attest to that.

Besides which, Muslims are going against their own religion because even the Quran says that Israel belongs to the people of Moses. Several honest Muslim Quranic scholars have attested to this fact.

The Quran most definitely does NOT at all say that Israel belongs to the people of Moses.
Moses was an Egyptian, and the Hebrew tribes have ZERO evidence of having anything to do with The Land of Canaan!
Why do you think it was called the Land of Canaan?
That is because it has been lived in and populated by mostly Canaanites, for over 8000 years!

The Canaanites did allow many others to live there as well, such as the Akkadians, Amorites, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Urites, etc., but all those people STILL live there. They never left and had lived there thousands of years before the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC. But clearly anyone who knows any history at all knows the Hebrew tribes did not belong there.
They were extremely unpopular invaders, and the Babylonians, Assyrians, and Romans all defeated and kicked the Hebrew out.
So the Hebrew only ruled there for a few hundred years at most.
And according to Judaism, Jews are not even supposed to be there now.
They are NOT supposed to go to Jerusalem until the Messiah comes and creates Zion for them some place on Earth.

 

[Rehmani]

Good question! Let's clear some things about that statesmen ahi.

Israel was not set by UN but by the Jewish nation in which was vested the sovereignty over all of Palestine under international law, treaties.
The UN never had any sovereignty to create any state or decide any borders.

The Jewish nation was vested with that recognition and obligation through international treaties to which the US obligated by constitution (Supremacy Clause (Article VI, paragraph 2).

San Remo and Mandate recongizes those rights and sepicifically points to re-constitution, vesting sovereignty with no other nation, and mentioning no other beneficiary.
The Lodge-Fish Resolution and of 1922 and Anglo-American Convention of 1924 all mention the same international obligation "as a sacred trust of civilization" to the establishment of Jewish sovereignty over all of the land, again mentioning no other nation.

All those rights were recognized in international treaties approved by the league of nations and inherited by the UN. The later had no right to vary any of them. The 1947 UN plan only demarcated the cease fire lines, and had no legal force. In reality what they voted for was the creation of another Arab state within the 22% of the land that was left for a Jewish national homeland out of the whole territory. If they voted for no Jewish country at all, the Jewish natiion would still have the rights to self-determination on the west bank of the river, and the eastern; And effectively establish sovereignty between the river and the sea, as it was already defacto a fully functional government in the land by a decade prior to that minus what was unlawfully taken by the Hashemite Kingdom.

The Spremacy Clause of the US Constitution stats that "treaties should be the Law of the Land":

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Article Six of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

Interesting piece of foreign intervention.

Indeed, it is interesting how the same people who demand an Arab state, have no problem with UN resolutions and Arabian kings infringing on sovereignty of nations, but will twist and deny international law the moment it recognizes the rights of the Jewish nation to the land.

It is israeli who are denying the international laws.

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

International law is not votes at the UN.
Votes at the UN is a popularity contest, with bribes, threats, and a Security Counsel monopoly.
International law in the other hand is blind justice, based on simple principles of law and justice, that are codified ahead of time, to facilitate equality of application.
So it is not a popularity contest to claim Israel is illegitimate.
It is the basic rights of the native Palestinian people to have self determination and the return of their stolen homes.

Israel does not exist by law, justice, or even majority rule, but by might makes right.
Which is not a currently recognized principle, and instead is one universally denied and reviled.
The only hope for the continued existence of Israel is to somehow make amends, either allow the right of return, or make compensation or exchange of the land illegally taken from Palestinian natives in 1948.
There is no legal way those illegally displaced in 1948 can be ignored.

Israel never exist in history either.

 

[rylah]

Indeed, it is interesting how the same people who demand an Arab state, have no problem with UN resolutions and Arabian kings infringing on sovereignty of nations, but will twist and deny international law the moment it recognizes the rights of the Jewish nation to the land.

It is israeli who are denying the international laws.

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

yours Mean, by force you are invade holly land and by force holly land will be freed.

It's already the most free country in the region,
if not an exemplary case for the entire world given the circumstances.
Certainly better than any Arab or Muslim run country You'll find.

No force is powerful to withstand G-d's decisions,
billions of Muslims who cannot stand Israel's revival, will attest to that.

That is exactly you people are you people create lies and then propagate it like a truth means make fool others and yourself. For example you call yourself special race but nobody else in the world consider you special.
Now As you are created g-d, but no body knows who the hell you are, who follow the g-d and then who gd is.
Now You appear from somewhere After 4 thousands years and created israel even Jacob PBUH didn't claim it actually who got the title of Israel, not the sinner yahuda.

Now And If you are comparing gd to GOD then again you are making fool to gd and yourself because you don't believe in Ala but in yourself.

Please follow my signature comments. It is written for jew only. Just look at your past and calculate that how many time you through from different type of difficult time.

When I look at Your history I felt like people are treating you, like kicking/pushing you around how un respectful life you people are leading but not learning.

The idea you people are chasing is a flop idea please give up 3/4 thousands years too much to learns. I am only trying to help you out and these things you can't see through your history, I am trying to show you.

Just learn from your history that how many time in history you people kicked around by others.

That's a nice big salad of words, but here's the problem - did You manage to contradict anything I've said?
Please, show me one country in the middle east as developed and free as Israel.

Let's see You for once use actual facts to backup all that mindless drivel.

 

[rylah]

It is israeli who are denying the international laws.

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

yours Mean, by force you are invade holly land and by force holly land will be freed.

It's already the most free country in the region,
if not an exemplary case for the entire world given the circumstances.
Certainly better than any Arab or Muslim run country You'll find.

No force is powerful to withstand G-d's decisions,
billions of Muslims who cannot stand Israel's revival, will attest to that.

Besides which, Muslims are going against their own religion because even the Quran says that Israel belongs to the people of Moses. Several honest Muslim Quranic scholars have attested to this fact.

The Quran most definitely does NOT at all say that Israel belongs to the people of Moses.
Moses was an Egyptian, and the Hebrew tribes have ZERO evidence of having anything to do with The Land of Canaan!
Why do you think it was called the Land of Canaan?
That is because it has been lived in and populated by mostly Canaanites, for over 8000 years!

The Canaanites did allow many others to live there as well, such as the Akkadians, Amorites, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Urites, etc., but all those people STILL live there. They never left and had lived there thousands of years before the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC. But clearly anyone who knows any history at all knows the Hebrew tribes did not belong there.
They were extremely unpopular invaders, and the Babylonians, Assyrians, and Romans all defeated and kicked the Hebrew out.
So the Hebrew only ruled there for a few hundred years at most.
And according to Judaism, Jews are not even supposed to be there now.
They are NOT supposed to go to Jerusalem until the Messiah comes and creates Zion for them some place on Earth.

Zero evidence? Aside from the fact that Hebrew was the spoken language of Canaan?
And no, Canaanites didn't live there for 8000 years, much like the Philistines they came from other places to a land where each mountain and city bore a Hebrew name.

When Yehoshuah bin-Nun conquered the land back as was promised to Abraham our father,
people were still speaking Hebrew, and the names of the places were still Hebrew.
Till this very day through the Arabic transliterations, it's the same names, easily recognizable for anyone who ever read the Torah in its original language, the only language in which those names have actual meaning.

The rest of that post is as easily refutable as well.

 

[rylah]

Good question! Let's clear some things about that statesmen ahi.

Israel was not set by UN but by the Jewish nation in which was vested the sovereignty over all of Palestine under international law, treaties.
The UN never had any sovereignty to create any state or decide any borders.

The Jewish nation was vested with that recognition and obligation through international treaties to which the US obligated by constitution (Supremacy Clause (Article VI, paragraph 2).

San Remo and Mandate recongizes those rights and sepicifically points to re-constitution, vesting sovereignty with no other nation, and mentioning no other beneficiary.
The Lodge-Fish Resolution and of 1922 and Anglo-American Convention of 1924 all mention the same international obligation "as a sacred trust of civilization" to the establishment of Jewish sovereignty over all of the land, again mentioning no other nation.

All those rights were recognized in international treaties approved by the league of nations and inherited by the UN. The later had no right to vary any of them. The 1947 UN plan only demarcated the cease fire lines, and had no legal force. In reality what they voted for was the creation of another Arab state within the 22% of the land that was left for a Jewish national homeland out of the whole territory. If they voted for no Jewish country at all, the Jewish natiion would still have the rights to self-determination on the west bank of the river, and the eastern; And effectively establish sovereignty between the river and the sea, as it was already defacto a fully functional government in the land by a decade prior to that minus what was unlawfully taken by the Hashemite Kingdom.

The Spremacy Clause of the US Constitution stats that "treaties should be the Law of the Land":

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Article Six of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

Interesting piece of foreign intervention.

Indeed, it is interesting how the same people who demand an Arab state, have no problem with UN resolutions and Arabian kings infringing on sovereignty of nations, but will twist and deny international law the moment it recognizes the rights of the Jewish nation to the land.

It is israeli who are denying the international laws.

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

International law is not votes at the UN.
Votes at the UN is a popularity contest, with bribes, threats, and a Security Counsel monopoly.
International law in the other hand is blind justice, based on simple principles of law and justice, that are codified ahead of time, to facilitate equality of application.
So it is not a popularity contest to claim Israel is illegitimate.
It is the basic rights of the native Palestinian people to have self determination and the return of their stolen homes.

Israel does not exist by law, justice, or even majority rule, but by might makes right.
Which is not a currently recognized principle, and instead is one universally denied and reviled.
The only hope for the continued existence of Israel is to somehow make amends, either allow the right of return, or make compensation or exchange of the land illegally taken from Palestinian natives in 1948.
There is no legal way those illegally displaced in 1948 can be ignored.

The same people who demand Israel follow international law,
deny it the moment they understand it backs Israel to the fullest extent.

Then they'll use big words like "justice" and "rights"
to convince us how international law should NOT be followed in case of Israel.

 

[Rehmani]

Interesting piece of foreign intervention.

Indeed, it is interesting how the same people who demand an Arab state, have no problem with UN resolutions and Arabian kings infringing on sovereignty of nations, but will twist and deny international law the moment it recognizes the rights of the Jewish nation to the land.

It is israeli who are denying the international laws.

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

International law is not votes at the UN.
Votes at the UN is a popularity contest, with bribes, threats, and a Security Counsel monopoly.
International law in the other hand is blind justice, based on simple principles of law and justice, that are codified ahead of time, to facilitate equality of application.
So it is not a popularity contest to claim Israel is illegitimate.
It is the basic rights of the native Palestinian people to have self determination and the return of their stolen homes.

Israel does not exist by law, justice, or even majority rule, but by might makes right.
Which is not a currently recognized principle, and instead is one universally denied and reviled.
The only hope for the continued existence of Israel is to somehow make amends, either allow the right of return, or make compensation or exchange of the land illegally taken from Palestinian natives in 1948.
There is no legal way those illegally displaced in 1948 can be ignored.

The same people who demand Israel follow international law,
deny it the moment they understand it backs Israel to the fullest extent.

Then they'll use big words like "justice" and "rights"
to convince us how international law should NOT be followed in case of Israel.

Because those international laws made by you,jew and yours supporter at the time because rest of the world under occupation and this very good reason you accepted UN order in 1949 because rest of the world was not the UN member.

 

[Rehmani]

It is israeli who are denying the international laws.

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

yours Mean, by force you are invade holly land and by force holly land will be freed.

It's already the most free country in the region,
if not an exemplary case for the entire world given the circumstances.
Certainly better than any Arab or Muslim run country You'll find.

No force is powerful to withstand G-d's decisions,
billions of Muslims who cannot stand Israel's revival, will attest to that.

That is exactly you people are you people create lies and then propagate it like a truth means make fool others and yourself. For example you call yourself special race but nobody else in the world consider you special.
Now As you are created g-d, but no body knows who the hell you are, who follow the g-d and then who gd is.
Now You appear from somewhere After 4 thousands years and created israel even Jacob PBUH didn't claim it actually who got the title of Israel, not the sinner yahuda.

Now And If you are comparing gd to GOD then again you are making fool to gd and yourself because you don't believe in Ala but in yourself.

Please follow my signature comments. It is written for jew only. Just look at your past and calculate that how many time you through from different type of difficult time.

When I look at Your history I felt like people are treating you, like kicking/pushing you around how un respectful life you people are leading but not learning.

The idea you people are chasing is a flop idea please give up 3/4 thousands years too much to learns. I am only trying to help you out and these things you can't see through your history, I am trying to show you.

Just learn from your history that how many time in history you people kicked around by others.

That's a nice big salad of words, but here's the problem - did You manage to contradict anything I've said?
Please, show me one country in the middle east as developed and free as Israel.

Let's see You for once use actual facts to backup all that mindless drivel.

Can you run Israel as a country the way UAE is? even though its a Monarchy but it is more open than any country in the world and Israel can not match with it.

 

[Rehmani]

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

yours Mean, by force you are invade holly land and by force holly land will be freed.

It's already the most free country in the region,
if not an exemplary case for the entire world given the circumstances.
Certainly better than any Arab or Muslim run country You'll find.

No force is powerful to withstand G-d's decisions,
billions of Muslims who cannot stand Israel's revival, will attest to that.

Besides which, Muslims are going against their own religion because even the Quran says that Israel belongs to the people of Moses. Several honest Muslim Quranic scholars have attested to this fact.

The Quran most definitely does NOT at all say that Israel belongs to the people of Moses.
Moses was an Egyptian, and the Hebrew tribes have ZERO evidence of having anything to do with The Land of Canaan!
Why do you think it was called the Land of Canaan?
That is because it has been lived in and populated by mostly Canaanites, for over 8000 years!

The Canaanites did allow many others to live there as well, such as the Akkadians, Amorites, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Urites, etc., but all those people STILL live there. They never left and had lived there thousands of years before the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC. But clearly anyone who knows any history at all knows the Hebrew tribes did not belong there.
They were extremely unpopular invaders, and the Babylonians, Assyrians, and Romans all defeated and kicked the Hebrew out.
So the Hebrew only ruled there for a few hundred years at most.
And according to Judaism, Jews are not even supposed to be there now.
They are NOT supposed to go to Jerusalem until the Messiah comes and creates Zion for them some place on Earth.

Zero evidence? Aside from the fact that Hebrew was the spoken language of Canaan?
And no, Canaanites didn't live there for 8000 years, much like the Philistines they came from other places to a land where each mountain and city bore a Hebrew name.

When Yehoshuah bin-Nun conquered the land back as was promised to Abraham our father,
people were still speaking Hebrew, and the names of the places were still Hebrew.
Till this very day through the Arabic transliterations, it's the same names, easily recognizable for anyone who ever read the Torah in its original language, the only language in which those names have actual meaning.

The rest of that post is as easily refutable as well.

You people are very good to speak lies, aren't you?
"(Canaan, area variously defined in historical and biblical literature, but always centred on Palestine. Its original pre-Israelite inhabitants were called Canaanites. The names Canaan and Canaanite occur in cuneiform, Egyptian, and Phoenician writings from about the 15th century bc as well as in the Old Testament.
Canaan | historical region, Middle East | Britannica.com

Canaan | historical region, Middle East)"

 

[Rehmani]

Just please tell me that you people ever establish any thing in history by yourself or on your own shoulders.

 

[The Original Tree]

Cool

This thread was created in order to attempt to fix the significant derailment of another thread without having to delete posts.

The topic of this thread is one that comes up with regularity in IP, and is also a frequent derailer of active threads so it will now have a thread of it's own which will be pinned as a "stickie".

I apologize ahead of time for the bumpy discontinuous beginnig of this, but I think it will smooth out as discussion goes on.

The topic is: The history involving the creation of Israel, the British Mandate, and the applicable actions of the UN in that history.

 

[The Original Tree]

No matter how many arguments anyone presents no one can change the fact that Transjordan “across the Jordan” is The East Bank of The Jordan River, and that is the declared homeland of The Palestinians.

They don’t belong in The West Bank.

 

[Rehmani]

Don't you people always displaced, pushed and kicked around by others Or under slaves, Or under occupation, Or under mercy status.

 

[The Original Tree]

Don't you people always displaced, pushed and kicked around by others Or under slaves, Or under occupation, Or under mercy status.

English please? Fragmented thoughts and sentences are hard to understand.

 

[The Original Tree]

Actually Israel or The Promised Land and it’s borders were defined for Abraham thousands of years ago.

Moses was a Hebrew, and His People lived in The Promised Land long before they became captives and were migrated to Egypt.

Moses returned The Hebrews to Land they had already inhabited for thousands of years.

The Hebrews have inhabited The Promised Land for Thousands of Years and survived The Babylonian Empire, Assyrian Empire, Egyptian Empire and Roman Empire.

That is how long they have been in what is called Israel today.

 

[Rehmani]

No matter how many arguments anyone presents no one can change the fact that Transjordan “across the Jordan” is The East Bank of The Jordan River, and that is the declared homeland of The Palestinians.

They don’t belong in The West Bank.

This can not be correct as we all know that its a desert country and people always lived around sea as a fisherman and this is very good reason this area always popular among the empires from east Persian/Asian and from the west Roman/European.
"(Canaan, area variously defined in historical and biblical literature, but always centred on Palestine. Its original pre-Israelite inhabitants were called Canaanites. The names Canaan and Canaanite occur in cuneiform, Egyptian, and Phoenician writings from about the 15th century bc as well as in the Old Testament.
Canaan | historical region, Middle East | Britannica.com

https://www.britannica.com/place/Canaan-historical-region-Middle-East)"

 

[Rehmani]

Don't you people always displaced, pushed and kicked around by others Or under slaves, Or under occupation, Or under mercy status.

English please? Fragmented thoughts and sentences are hard to understand.

Look I don't know who you people means yours believe.
It is very easy to understand that why the most fortunate people (jew) in human history never ever establish anything by their own instead they always dragging around either as a slave or as a country less or as a mercy of others.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Israel has a right to exist and they have the right to defend themselves.
What is really worrisome is how the Liberals are taking the side of the genocidal crackpot fanatic Islamist.
It shows that the Left doesn't have many real principles other than attainment of power.

 

[Rehmani]

Actually Israel or The Promised Land and it’s borders were defined for Abraham thousands of years ago.

Moses was a Hebrew, and His People lived in The Promised Land long before they became captives and were migrated to Egypt.

Moses returned The Hebrews to Land they had already inhabited for thousands of years.

The Hebrews have inhabited The Promised Land for Thousands of Years and survived The Babylonian Empire, Assyrian Empire, Egyptian Empire and Roman Empire.

That is how long they have been in what is called Israel today.

1).Just 4000 years ago. And people Arab pagan were living there as Loot PBUH is a good example as he left Abraham PBUH and lived with Arab pagan.
2) What is the guaranty that Moses PBUH promised to them because He PBUH never enter in Holly land instead Moses PBUH disappear in mountain because he got too old and jew gave him really hard time for 40 years in harsh desert keep testing him that if you are prophet of God show us some miracle and they keep troubling him PBUH.
I will say jew made up that Moses PBUH directed us. I will say He PBUH just got fed up and fled/disappear. I will say then those jew by accidentally end up in this area we called Holly Land.
3). Again it never be Hebrews land as they migrated from Iraqi village and again Jerusalem was not part of Abraham PBUH and family, Israel is a title which was given to Jacob PBUH but Jew never owned it because that is how jew are they don't believe in God/prophets but they only believe in themselves they preferred to called themselves jew instead Israeli.
4). Now why they using the name of Israel because this is the only way they can fool to the world especially Muslim/Christian.
5) Ask to any Jew Rabbi that ever any Jew Prophets ever born or enter in holly Land, he will say NO.

 

[The Original Tree]

Maybe you should ask God why He favored Israel for 6,000 years and why He chose to have The Son of God to descend from heaven and be born a man yet still be God and why He came in to the world through these people to die and be resurrected for the sins of all mankind.

Don't you people always displaced, pushed and kicked around by others Or under slaves, Or under occupation, Or under mercy status.

English please? Fragmented thoughts and sentences are hard to understand.

Look I don't know who you people means yours believe.
It is very easy to understand that why the most fortunate people (jew) in human history never ever establish anything by their own instead they always dragging around either as a slave or as a country less or as a mercy of others.

 

[Rehmani]

Israel has a right to exist and they have the right to defend themselves.
What is really worrisome is how the Liberals are taking the side of the genocidal crackpot fanatic Islamist.
It shows that the Left doesn't have many real principles other than attainment of power.

But its not mean keep killing others and not giving others rights by keep using fears/paranoid-ism.