The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

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    This thread was created in order to attempt to fix the significant derailment of another thread without having to delete posts.

    The topic of this thread is one that comes up with regularity in IP, and is also a frequent derailer of active threads so it will now have a thread of it's own which will be pinned as a "stickie".


    I apologize ahead of time for the bumpy discontinuous beginnig of this, but I think it will smooth out as discussion goes on.

    The topic is: The history involving the creation of Israel, the British Mandate, and the applicable actions of the UN in that history.
     
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    And not try and force the rule of law retrospectively because we hate the Jews, like you do constantly. The rule of law says the arab muslims have no legal right to the west bank or Jerusalem, so why don't you shout for it to be acted on ?
     
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    While you are still stuck in the "one day we will outnumber the Jews 10 million to one and be victorious over them" until then you will lose every time because you cant agree on a common leadership so end up getting bombed year after year. One day you will realise that it is your own stupid fault that you are losing every battle, when that day comes you will find it is too late to make amends
     
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    LINK showing that Israel is a cancer and is malignant, like the spread of islam since the end of WW1
     
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    Link?
     
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    That wasn't me, chief.
     
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    It was, just that you wont admit it to yourself
     
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    Israelis love this bullshit, themselves being religious clusterfuckers.
     
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    Once again RoccoR descends into spouting drivel, whilest simultaneously trying to create sympathy by invoking the Holocaust and "NAZI" Arabs. Are you taking lessons from Phoney? It's embarassing.

    Had you bothered to do even a modicum of research, you would have discovered that ATLAS was an Abwehr operation, nothing at all to do with the SS, the unit was composed of ex-Brandenburg Regiment German soldiers who were born in Palestine amongst the Templar community of slighly whacko Protestant Christian "millenials", the two Muslims involved Hasan Salama and Abdul Latif were never Nazis.

    Fawzi al-Qawuqi was given a colonel's rank for propaganda purposes, but never swore any German military oath, nor did he declare any allegience to Hitler. Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husayni's "ties" to Hitler consisted of one 90 minute meeting during which a photo was taken.
     
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    teddyearp, et al,

    Yes, many people have ask that question.

    In moves like this, there is a developed scenario to be told as cover for the action (in fact we actually say "cover for action"), and then there is the actual disguised intent (cover for status).

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    First, TransJordan sent a communiqué to the Secretary General to set the conditions for the Public Face:

    On 29 April 48, TransJordan stated in part: "Any warlike decision or action on the part of Transjordan will undoubtedly be the cause of the gravest censure by the Security Council and the entire United Nations as a possible threat to peace."
    The content here was to plant the idea that TransJordan doesn't want to take interfering military action. And that TransJordan know that the General Assembly and the Security Council will take a dim view of such an action. That only some exceptional circumstances would make this necessary.

    On the morning of 16 May 48, TransJordan (a day after forces cross the departure line), and states in part: "we were compelled to enter Palestine to protect unarmed Arabs against massacres."
    This changes the issue from military intervention to a humanitarian mission; designed to save lives and restore order

    Similarly, the Egyptians sent a communiqué to the Secretary General and the Security explaining why Egyptian forces intervened into the territory formerly under the Mandate. The response to Security Council inquiries were carefully crafted and embedded with two messages:

    The Egyptian Government have declared that their regular forces have entered Palestine with the object of putting an end to the massacres perpetrated by the terrorist Zionist bands against Arabs and against humanity and of safeguarding the lives and property of the inhabitants.

    Had the Arab states not intervened with their armed forces when Britain relinquished the mandate, these well trained Zionist bands spread all over Palestine would have annihilated hundreds of thousands of Palestine Arabs who form the vast majority of the inhabitants.

    The first part of the message says that Egypt is only interested in engaging the Terrorist Zionist Bands (TZB). The second part of the message communicates the idea that military intervention was an absolute necessity; and that this force was responsible for saving the lives of may thousands of Arab Palestinians.

    While everyone understand that the Egyptian Military Administration was the quasi-governorate, the political cover was that the Arab Palestinians were in charge of governing (in the form of the All Palestinian Government), the Gaza Strip (Annexation via a domestic puppet government).

    Jordan opted to use Annexation as the means to incorporate the territory of the West Bank into the domain of a TransJordan. Jordan established a Parliament comprised of Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank and Jordanians; they were equally represented. This combined Parliament unanimously approved the annexation of the West Bank. The stated purpose of which was to halt further progress of Zionist expansion.

    In both case, albeit by different methods, the Arab Palestinian exercised their "right to self-determination." This elevates the appearance of coercion, expansionism or unilateralism.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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