The ObamaCare Bad News Continues...

[American Cowboy]

A kerfuffle was stirred up last week by a devastating McKinsey & Company study that concluded up to 78 million Americans would lose their current health coverage as employers stopped offering insurance because of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The report contradicted Mr. Obama's frequent pledge that under his reform, "if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan." And McKinsey's was at least the fourth such analysis calling the president's promise into question.

Pulitzer Prize-winner Joseph Rago tracks the White House effort to prevent the impact of its policies.

In May 2010, former Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin concluded that employers would drop coverage for about 35 million Americans because of ObamaCare. A month later, in June 2010, the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) pegged the number between 87 million to 117 million. And last November, Allisa Meade, a McKinsey analyst, told health-insurance company executives that 80 million to 100 million people might lose their employer-provided health insurance.

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America did not want this law. Let's get it repealed.

Bachmann 2012

 

[peach174]

Let's not forget about new Seniors that get on Medicare.
More and more Dr.s are refusing new Medicare patients because they can't afford the cap that is put on Medicare payments.
Where will they go to get treatment? Hospitals, that's where and what happens when hospitals can't afford the capped Medicare payments?
All insurance premiums go up to help fray the cost of Medicare patient's going to the Hospitals.
And don't forget why the premiums are rising now, to pay for the medical procedures that had previously not been covered due to pre existing conditions.

 

[RDD_1210]

A kerfuffle was stirred up last week by a devastating McKinsey & Company study that concluded up to 78 million Americans would lose their current health coverage as employers stopped offering insurance because of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The report contradicted Mr. Obama's frequent pledge that under his reform, "if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan." And McKinsey's was at least the fourth such analysis calling the president's promise into question.

Pulitzer Prize-winner Joseph Rago tracks the White House effort to prevent the impact of its policies.

In May 2010, former Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin concluded that employers would drop coverage for about 35 million Americans because of ObamaCare. A month later, in June 2010, the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) pegged the number between 87 million to 117 million. And last November, Allisa Meade, a McKinsey analyst, told health-insurance company executives that 80 million to 100 million people might lose their employer-provided health insurance.

Link to read more

America did not want this law. Let's get it repealed.

Bachmann 2012

America does want this, it's anti-americans that don't.

 

[The Rabbi]

A kerfuffle was stirred up last week by a devastating McKinsey & Company study that concluded up to 78 million Americans would lose their current health coverage as employers stopped offering insurance because of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The report contradicted Mr. Obama's frequent pledge that under his reform, "if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan." And McKinsey's was at least the fourth such analysis calling the president's promise into question.

Pulitzer Prize-winner Joseph Rago tracks the White House effort to prevent the impact of its policies.

In May 2010, former Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin concluded that employers would drop coverage for about 35 million Americans because of ObamaCare. A month later, in June 2010, the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) pegged the number between 87 million to 117 million. And last November, Allisa Meade, a McKinsey analyst, told health-insurance company executives that 80 million to 100 million people might lose their employer-provided health insurance.

Link to read more

America did not want this law. Let's get it repealed.

Bachmann 2012

America does want this, it's anti-americans that don't.

Dozens of GOP representatives swept into office last November on the pledge to repeal Obamacare. It has consistently polled poorly, and the more people find out about it, the more poorly it polls.
Socialists and class warriors want this because they think somehow gov't is more beneficent than corporations.

 

[WillowTree]

That's libturd logic innit.. to champion something that means 78 million Americans will lose their access to health care. What a bunch of dummies.

 

[Skynet]

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America did not want this law. Let's get it repealed.

Bachmann 2012

America does want this, it's anti-americans that don't.

Dozens of GOP representatives swept into office last November on the pledge to repeal Obamacare. It has consistently polled poorly, and the more people find out about it, the more poorly it polls.
Socialists and class warriors want this because they think somehow gov't is more beneficent than corporations.

still waiting for that list of things about the new health care law you dont like...... (besides the mandate)

every time you try to list something you wanted to see in it, i showed you where is was. and you still havent produced a list of specific section that you disagree with. you only talk about the fact that health care costs are going up, and blame the new health care law, when 1) it hasnt even gone into affect yet, and 2) health care costs double between 2000 and 2009, before the law was even signed.

 

[The Rabbi]

America does want this, it's anti-americans that don't.

Dozens of GOP representatives swept into office last November on the pledge to repeal Obamacare. It has consistently polled poorly, and the more people find out about it, the more poorly it polls.
Socialists and class warriors want this because they think somehow gov't is more beneficent than corporations.

still waiting for that list of things about the new health care law you dont like...... (besides the mandate)

every time you try to list something you wanted to see in it, i showed you where is was. and you still havent produced a list of specific section that you disagree with. you only talk about the fact that health care costs are going up, and blame the new health care law, when 1) it hasnt even gone into affect yet, and 2) health care costs double between 2000 and 2009, before the law was even signed.

You're a fucktard.
Everything about the law sucks. From mandates to price fixing to eliminating HSAs to expanding Medicaid to cutting funding for Medicare to creating incentives for businesses to dump employees into the system to things that we dont know yet because bureaucrats have not written the regulations necessary.
You never showed that people could buy insurance across state lines. That is a lie.

 

[Skynet]

Dozens of GOP representatives swept into office last November on the pledge to repeal Obamacare. It has consistently polled poorly, and the more people find out about it, the more poorly it polls.
Socialists and class warriors want this because they think somehow gov't is more beneficent than corporations.

still waiting for that list of things about the new health care law you dont like...... (besides the mandate)

every time you try to list something you wanted to see in it, i showed you where is was. and you still havent produced a list of specific section that you disagree with. you only talk about the fact that health care costs are going up, and blame the new health care law, when 1) it hasnt even gone into affect yet, and 2) health care costs double between 2000 and 2009, before the law was even signed.

You're a fucktard.
Everything about the law sucks. From mandates to price fixing to eliminating HSAs to expanding Medicaid to cutting funding for Medicare to creating incentives for businesses to dump employees into the system to things that we dont know yet because bureaucrats have not written the regulations necessary.
You never showed that people could buy insurance across state lines. That is a lie.

PPACA Section 1333 requires the parent department of CMS, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), to issue regulations governing the creation of “health care choice” compacts by July 1, 2013.

Starting Jan. 1, 2016, two or more states will be able to use a compact to allow qualified health plans based in the participating states to sell health insurance in all participating states.

damn had to post it 3 times for you be able to read it.

http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/ppaca-consolidated.pdf

show me section on price fixing

HSA are not eliminated: How does the new health law impact my HSA?

show me this section as well: "expanding Medicaid to cutting funding for Medicare"

 

[RDD_1210]

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America did not want this law. Let's get it repealed.

Bachmann 2012

America does want this, it's anti-americans that don't.

Dozens of GOP representatives swept into office last November on the pledge to repeal Obamacare. It has consistently polled poorly, and the more people find out about it, the more poorly it polls.
Socialists and class warriors want this because they think somehow gov't is more beneficent than corporations.

People like most of the components of the bill, it's fear tactics that have convinced people that the bill is bad. People like you have been duped.

 

[The Rabbi]

America does want this, it's anti-americans that don't.

Dozens of GOP representatives swept into office last November on the pledge to repeal Obamacare. It has consistently polled poorly, and the more people find out about it, the more poorly it polls.
Socialists and class warriors want this because they think somehow gov't is more beneficent than corporations.

People like most of the components of the bill, it's fear tactics that have convinced people that the bill is bad. People like you have been duped.

The only feature people like is the prohibition on pre-existing conditions. At least until they get the bill, since there is no limit on what insurers can charge for it.
The more people see of it, the less they like it. They'll really not like when their employers start dumping them onto the system and paying the penalty instead.

 

[RDD_1210]

Dozens of GOP representatives swept into office last November on the pledge to repeal Obamacare. It has consistently polled poorly, and the more people find out about it, the more poorly it polls.
Socialists and class warriors want this because they think somehow gov't is more beneficent than corporations.

People like most of the components of the bill, it's fear tactics that have convinced people that the bill is bad. People like you have been duped.

The only feature people like is the prohibition on pre-existing conditions. At least until they get the bill, since there is no limit on what insurers can charge for it.
The more people see of it, the less they like it. They'll really not like when their employers start dumping them onto the system and paying the penalty instead.

Nothing what you said is true. Please try again. Why are you ignoring the other poster who pointed out information that you refuse to acknowledge?

 

[The Rabbi]

People like most of the components of the bill, it's fear tactics that have convinced people that the bill is bad. People like you have been duped.

The only feature people like is the prohibition on pre-existing conditions. At least until they get the bill, since there is no limit on what insurers can charge for it.
The more people see of it, the less they like it. They'll really not like when their employers start dumping them onto the system and paying the penalty instead.

Nothing what you said is true. Please try again. Why are you ignoring the other poster who pointed out information that you refuse to acknowledge?

Everything I wrote is true. The pre-existing condition part is the part that polls the most favorably. Everything else sucks.
Employers will start dumping people.
New Study: 30 Percent of Employers Would Dump Employees into Obamacare Exchanges at Taxpayer Expense | The Weekly Standard

The law takes what is wrong with health care and makes it far worse. This type of thing has been tried in many states and the result is always the same: exploding costs and diminishing access to healthcare.

 

[Greenbeard]

A kerfuffle was stirred up last week by a devastating McKinsey & Company study that concluded up to 78 million Americans would lose their current health coverage as employers stopped offering insurance because of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Thus far, this study is notable most for hiding its super-secret methodology, concealing the language with which it "educated respondents about implications for their companies and employees" before surveying them, and hiding relevant materials that would allow one to form an educated opinion on the survey because releasing them "would be damaging" to McKinsey.

Well, that and contradicting previous analyses of this topic, including those conducted by McKinsey's own analysts:

Ironically, the author of an Urban Institute study used by the White House to refute the McKinsey report is none other than McKinsey’s own Bowen Garrett, the chief economist at their Center for U.S. Health System Reform. In his Urban Institute paper, Garrett dismantles “claims that the ACA would cause major declines in [employer-sponsored health insurance],” calling them, “greatly exaggerated.”​

Impressive stuff.

 

[American Cowboy]

A kerfuffle was stirred up last week by a devastating McKinsey & Company study that concluded up to 78 million Americans would lose their current health coverage as employers stopped offering insurance because of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The report contradicted Mr. Obama's frequent pledge that under his reform, "if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan." And McKinsey's was at least the fourth such analysis calling the president's promise into question.

Pulitzer Prize-winner Joseph Rago tracks the White House effort to prevent the impact of its policies.

In May 2010, former Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin concluded that employers would drop coverage for about 35 million Americans because of ObamaCare. A month later, in June 2010, the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) pegged the number between 87 million to 117 million. And last November, Allisa Meade, a McKinsey analyst, told health-insurance company executives that 80 million to 100 million people might lose their employer-provided health insurance.

Link to read more

America did not want this law. Let's get it repealed.

Bachmann 2012

America does want this, it's anti-americans that don't.

You are one dumb MFer.

Commies, Socialists and Marxists like the law. None of which are traditional Americans.

 

[peach174]

Madison said it best, about huge written bills in the Federalist Papers Letter No. 62
like the health care bill.

It poisons the blessings of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?

What was it that Nancy Pelosi said? We had to pass the bill in order to understand what's in the bill?

Repeal this health care bill it's a stinker, and unconstitutional.

 

[Greenbeard]

Wait a minute. You took a passage from Madison specifically lamenting mutable government and mutable policy (comparing a government that flip-flops on policies to "An individual who is observed to be inconstant to his plans" and therefore viewed by all prudent people as "victim to his own unsteadiness and folly") in which he explicitly says

It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice ... if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated

And you came up with

Repeal this health care bill

??

 

[rightwinger]

A kerfuffle was stirred up last week by a devastating McKinsey & Company study that concluded up to 78 million Americans would lose their current health coverage as employers stopped offering insurance because of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The report contradicted Mr. Obama's frequent pledge that under his reform, "if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan." And McKinsey's was at least the fourth such analysis calling the president's promise into question.

Pulitzer Prize-winner Joseph Rago tracks the White House effort to prevent the impact of its policies.

In May 2010, former Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin concluded that employers would drop coverage for about 35 million Americans because of ObamaCare. A month later, in June 2010, the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) pegged the number between 87 million to 117 million. And last November, Allisa Meade, a McKinsey analyst, told health-insurance company executives that 80 million to 100 million people might lose their employer-provided health insurance.

Link to read more

America did not want this law. Let's get it repealed.

Bachmann 2012

Please, please

Let it be Bachmann

 

[ShackledNation]

America did not want this law. Let's get it repealed.

America does want this, it's anti-americans that don't.

I doesn't matter if America wants it or not. Any type of federal health care program is unconstitutional. We don't have a direct democracy, we have (had) a republic. The 10th amendment clearly delegates this power to the states, not the federal government.

Ron Paul 2012

 

[peach174]

Greenbeard
You did not read the whole thing did you?
If you take it out of context like that of course you won't get what it said.
He said that a bill that is written that is so huge that it cannot be read or understood that it needs to be repealed before it is completely implemented.
If we can't understand what this big bill is today, we will not have any idea of what it will become in the future.