The Obama Record is a Record

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    Gentle Reminder. This thread is in the CDZ

    The Obama record is his record no matter how much he and/or his supporters want to get around it. The fifteen items listed below are a summary of his record.

    I took the list from Townhall which is by no means an objective source and it is a source I would not use to support a point of view. But the list is a good one to illustrate our President's record in his first term of office.

    I wonder if his supporters can dispute that all fifteen items are legitimate? If so, please provide your rationale or legitimate source so we keep this honest.

    Others may have some items that need to be added to the list.

    The question is, if the list is valid and accepted as the record, why would anybody vote for a second term for Barack Obama?''

    Here's the list:

     
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    BUT BUT BUT , XXXXXXX, so his record doesn't matter to me . Will Palin be his choice for VP this time? :D
     
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    Just playing devil's advocate here, but I can think of at least one reason someone might vote for Obama despite those points, assuming all are true : if they consider them not his fault/responsibility. Some might blame the previous administration, perhaps claiming that Obama is the reason the numbers are not worse. Others might say that the president has little direct affect on most of those things. Presidents get credit and blame for many things they should not.

    And that's just if the points are not disputed. :)
     
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    #9 ------ :clap2:
     
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    If Obama didn't have a super majority that was behind him 100% for his first two years as president, that argument might hold some water. As is though, Obama basically could do whatever he wanted for 2 years with no opposition from republicans and he made it clear to them with his "you lost" comment directly to them.

    Loads of blame belongs on congress as well but Obama isn't, by any means, innocent in all this.
     
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    A valid observation, EXCEPT that the previous administration had nothing to do with whether this administration did or did not pass a budget, had absolutely nothing to do with legislation passed by this administration, and did not spend a dime that this administration has spent. Inheriting a crappy economy is one thing--Reagan certainly did in 1981--but making good or bad choices in how to deal with it are the responsibility of the current administration and nobody else.
     
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    Congress can make no law that the President does not sign off on. And, though this President doesn't always see it that way, the President is not supposed to make any law that Congress does not first approve. So yes, President Obama and Congress could have accomplished a great deal in the first two years when the Democrats enjoyed huge majorities in both the House and Senate. But instead they passed only legislation that has caused or exacerbated many of the fifteen items on that list, and they failed to pass legislation that could have addressed many or most of the others.

    It simply isn't washing with most thinking people anymore, that if the Republicans failed to act when Bush had a GOP majority, and/or when there was a Democratic majority in the House and Senate, that it was the Republicans and Bush's fault. And if the Democrats fail to act when they have a Democratic majority and a Democrat in the White House, it is still the Republican's and Bush's fault.
     
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    Presidents don't affect the economy for the most part. About the only thing some presidents could do is inspire confidence in the hopes of stimulating spending through optimism. But when a candidate says something positive, generally they are blasted for being out of touch! But don't let Obama bashers and Romney supporters stand in the way of this fact. This is one of the reasons I'm not voting for Romney because I don't think he can make much of a difference except perhaps in hurting the middle class (which is where most of us are).

    Does the president actually influence the economy?

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    And...from a separate article...

     
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    That is of course untrue. Congress CAN over ride a Presidential veto.
     
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    But the President is still on record as agreeing to or not agreeing to the legislation. He has to be given opportunity to do that even if Congress does override his veto.

    Obama's record does not include Congress overriding his veto on anything, and the legislation passed on his watch ALL has his signature of approval on it. It is part of his record.
     

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