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rtwngAvngr said:These are not words in your mouth. This is how you see things, unbeknownst to even you, perhaps.
nakedemperor said:Are.. are you serious? Kathianne, do you see what I mean yet?
Let me introduce you to me nephew. I think you'd find a lot of common ground in terms of your debate skills. Although, you'd have to go pick him up from pre-school.
Huckleburry said:Right Wing.
Calling somthing a ponzi scheme does not make it so. Moreover, SS is not a typical investment fund and is thus not subject to the same rules. SS is not illegal because it was established according to a different set of rules. You have yet to make a convincing case for SS privitization. This is economics, debates cannot be won with rhetoric and hotair because we can all look at the numbers. Make a case, use econometrics, actually begin a debate rather than flaming us "stupid" libs for opposing your three sentence comments.
rtwngAvngr said:Your problem is you do not even see the patterns in your own thinking. You will as your brain grows. You like to imply things, then deny it. When I hold you to your implications, you scream like a baby busted for weed.
nakedemperor said:Are.. are you serious? Kathianne, do you see what I mean yet?
Let me introduce you to me nephew. I think you'd find a lot of common ground in terms of your debate skills. Although, you'd have to go pick him up from pre-school.
Huckleburry said:Right Wing,
The difference is that SS is quite transparent about the benefits you recive. If you take the time and examine your circumstance you can calculate your future SS return. They have a payout schedual and they follow it. This, however, is beside the point. I asked if a conservative on this board could make an argument defending the Bush position on SS. How will it fix the current problem and how will it prevent future problems. That is the question on the table and that is the question that the GOP has yet to answer.
nakedemperor said:Let's look at this with a little bit of critical distance, shall we?
Person A accuses person B of proposition X being false.
Person B responds that they do not believe proposition X to be true, either.
Person A then responds that they know person B believes proposition X, even if person B isn't conscious of his own support of proposition X.
Does this make any sense? If everyone on this board conversed in this way, how much progress would there be? You have made presumptions, which you initially denied ever making, and then defended by saying you knew them to be true even if I, the only person capable of possibly making such a determination, denied them. I ask that you curb this tendancy to presume, nothing more, nothing less.
private accounts with which we already have seen the great benefits from both chile and galvaston texas.The main question is the transition cost and making sure everyone who was in the current system gets the benefits promised them.It can be done.
THE GOVERNMENTS PROBLEM IS A SPENDING PROBLEM.we have to control spending and increase revenue while implementing policies that will make us the manufacturing power of the world.the real wealth of a nation is in mining,manufacturing and agriculture-NOT sales and services
Huckleburry said:Chile's system has bombed. In spite of the privatization, Chile still pays trillions of dollars into the system because the system has been susceptible to global shocks in the market. It is a good idea to critically examine Chile before we use it as an example because the fact is that Chile has not been typically successful. Finally, and the administration admits this, privatization does little to ameliorate the current problem with SS.
n May 1981 Chile adopted a revolutionary reform by replacing its bankrupt pay-as-you-go retirement system with a fully funded system of individual retirement accounts managed by the private sector. The new system is based on three important pillars: freedom of choice, private-sector management and property rights in the retirement accounts. In its 18 years, the private retirement system has been an enormous success: more than 95 percent of Chilean workers have joined the system; the pension funds have accumulated over $34 billion in assets; and the average real rate of return has been 11.3 percent per year.
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, the Chilean system should be blushing from the accolades it has received. Since 1993 seven other Latin American nations have implemented pension reforms modeled after Chile's. In March Poland became the first country in Eastern Europe to implement a partial privatization reform based on the Chilean model. In short, the Chilean system has clearly become the point of reference for countries interested in finding an enduring solution to the problem of paying for the retirement benefits of aging populations.
Huckleburry said:Chile's system has bombed. In spite of the privatization, Chile still pays trillions of dollars into the system because the system has been susceptible to global shocks in the market. It is a good idea to critically examine Chile before we use it as an example because the fact is that Chile has not been typically successful. Finally, and the administration admits this, privatization does little to ameliorate the current problem with SS.
Bonnie said:Okay then what's your rememdy to this???? Just keep people dependent on governement forever??
Bonnie said:Okay then what's your rememdy to this???? Just keep people dependent on governement forever??
Huckleburry said:Chile's system has bombed. In spite of the privatization, Chile still pays trillions of dollars into the system because the system has been susceptible to global shocks in the market. It is a good idea to critically examine Chile before we use it as an example because the fact is that Chile has not been typically successful. Finally, and the administration admits this, privatization does little to ameliorate the current problem with SS.
