The Numbers Case For SS Reform

[Annie]

Actually, the much more likely scenario is that Republican lawmaker acceptance of this issue will condemn many of them to losing their seats. There's very significant party dissent on this issue within the GOP. But party dissent really isn't what you specialize in, so I doubt you think it ever occurs among respectable line toe-ers.

IE READ YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO GET IT! SAYS THE ALL WISE OZ, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS NE!

Your attitude sucks. I am far from a line toe-er. I am well aware of the dissension within the GOP, which is far less than the DNC, which I noticed you make no mention of.

I've seen you go off on RWA and PR, for and w/o cause, always with a superior attitude and condescension. You tell them aplenty that their attitude is why they 'have no friends' look in the mirror dude, babe, whatever.

 

[Bonnie]

Actually, the much more likely scenario is that Republican lawmaker acceptance of this issue will condemn many of them to losing their seats. There's very significant party dissent on this issue within the GOP. But party dissent really isn't what you specialize in, so I doubt you think it ever occurs among respectable line toe-ers.

There may be desent as to how to do it, but most within the party know it needs to be done. And yes there are some who don't have the guts to support what is right, they will ultimately be the ones ousted, but I think the Democratic non response and attempt at obstructionism will take on many more casuaties.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

What? Isn't the social security problem and its possible solutions to subject? What else have we been talking about?

So you admit there's a problem? I consider that a personal victory.

You try to bog the discussion down in splitting hairs about problem vs. crisis. Then you tried to switch the topic to healthcare. My characterization of your behavior is quite accurate.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Actually, the much more likely scenario is that Republican lawmaker acceptance of this issue will condemn many of them to losing their seats. There's very significant party dissent on this issue within the GOP. But party dissent really isn't what you specialize in, so I doubt you think it ever occurs among respectable line toe-ers.

Just like Kerry won the election? LOL.

My specialty is revealing leftist stupidity and intellectual failure; thanks for helping me in this regard.

 

[cptpwichita]

democrats need social security to scare old people and keep people dependant on government and the republicans are a bunch of bed wetters who are scared the idiot dems will call them the haters of the elderly and they might not get re-elected.anyone who has half a brain knows that private accounts are the best thing for all americans but dems are idiots,republicans are pussies and both are playing politics and could give a rats ass about any of us.

REMEMBER POLITICIANS ONLY CONCERN IS TO AQUIRE POWER FOR THEMSELVES.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

democrats need social security to scare old people and keep people dependant on government and the republicans are a bunch of bed wetters who are scared the idiot dems will call them the haters of the elderly and they might not get re-elected.anyone who has half a brain knows that private accounts are the best thing for all americans but dems are idiots,republicans are pussies and both are playing politics and could give a rats ass about any of us.

REMEMBER POLITICIANS ONLY CONCERN IS TO AQUIRE POWER FOR THEMSELVES.

Yet, voting republican is nearly always a better idea.

 

[nakedemperor]

IE READ YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO GET IT! SAYS THE ALL WISE OZ, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS NE!

Your attitude sucks. I am far from a line toe-er. I am well aware of the dissension within the GOP, which is far less than the DNC, which I noticed you make no mention of.

Congratulations? I wasn't talking about you, I was talking to RWA.

I've seen you go off on RWA and PR, for and w/o cause, always with a superior attitude and condescension. You tell them aplenty that their attitude is why they 'have no friends' look in the mirror dude, babe, whatever.

You put "have no friends" in quotations, please refer me to where I've said this to Pale Rider and RWA. My attitude towards Pale Rider has to do with the wide gulf between our respective positions on gay rights. Pale likes to use caps and bold and red letters to say things like "fuck all fags" and "fags are going to hell". If this type of behavior doesn't require some amount of condescention, I don't know what does. However, if you agree with him, I'll condescend to your attitude of bigotry too; as yet, you have not, you've merely made numerous oddly-timed references to my sexuality that are completely out of context. Which isn't ground for assumption that you have the same level of animous that PR does, but I'll keep an open mind.

In terms of RWA, he has put words into my mouth and presumed more thing about me than anyone else on this board combined. Your assumption that I believe "anyone but Bush" puts you in the running, by the bye. However, I'd really like you to link me to the post in which I told Pale Rider and RWA that they "have no friends". Its possible I told one or both of them that more people would warm up to them if they stayed their tempers or adjusted their attitudes towards liberals who aren't mirror images of the mind's eye typical liberal they (and you) seem to have in your heads.

At any rate, I don't like your attitude either, so we'll have to agree to disagree, babe.

 

[nakedemperor]

So you admit there's a problem? I consider that a personal victory.

Considering your victories and so few and far between, I don't doubt this at all. However, you'll see that in every. single. one. of my posts in this thread concerning social security makes reference to the "problem" we face.

Crisis v. problem is NOT a semantic debate. PIA's do *not* do anything to solve the SS *problem*, so I reject the efficacy of this plan.

 

[cptpwichita]

There may be desent as to how to do it, but most within the party know it needs to be done. And yes there are some who don't have the guts to support what is right, they will ultimately be the ones ousted, but I think the Democratic non response and attempt at obstructionism will take on many more casuaties.

American voters are ignorant beyond all comprehension,in fact most couldn't tell you who the vice-president is.Everyone thinks that their representative or senators are great it is just the other guys who stink-why do you think kerry and kennedy keep getting re-elected or worse yet barbara boxer.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Considering your victories and so few and far between, I don't doubt this at all. However, you'll see that in every. single. one. of my posts in this thread concerning social security makes reference to the "problem" we face.

Crisis v. problem is NOT a semantic debate. PIA's do *not* do anything to solve the SS *problem*, so I reject the efficacy of this plan.

I whip your ass constantly.

It is a semantic debate. Regardless of what you call it, it needs to dealt with.

Personal accounts would mean people would not rely on ss thus alleviating the ss administration the burden of paying for promises it can't keep. The plan will have personal accounts as merely one option. people can stay in the old system if they choose. Oh, but wait, taking the choice AWAY from people who want out of the system is really your totalitarian morally bankrupt goal, I forgot.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

American voters are ignorant beyond all comprehension,in fact most couldn't tell you who the vice-president is.Everyone thinks that their representative or senators are great it is just the other guys who stink-why do you think kerry and kennedy keep getting re-elected or worse yet barbara boxer.

They voted Bush in. That was very smart, considering libs are really rooting for the terrorists.

 

[Annie]

Congratulations? I wasn't talking about you, I was talking to RWA.



You put "have no friends" in quotations, please refer me to where I've said this to Pale Rider and RWA. My attitude towards Pale Rider has to do with the wide gulf between our respective positions on gay rights. Pale likes to use caps and bold and red letters to say things like "fuck all fags" and "fags are going to hell". If this type of behavior doesn't require some amount of condescention, I don't know what does. However, if you agree with him, I'll condescend to your attitude of bigotry too; as yet, you have not, you've merely made numerous oddly-timed references to my sexuality that are completely out of context. Which isn't ground for assumption that you have the same level of animous that PR does, but I'll keep an open mind.

In terms of RWA, he has put words into my mouth and presumed more thing about me than anyone else on this board combined. Your assumption that I believe "anyone but Bush" puts you in the running, by the bye. However, I'd really like you to link me to the post in which I told Pale Rider and RWA that they "have no friends". Its possible I told one or both of them that more people would warm up to them if they stayed their tempers or adjusted their attitudes towards liberals who aren't mirror images of the mind's eye typical liberal they (and you) seem to have in your heads.

At any rate, I don't like your attitude either, so we'll have to agree to disagree, babe.

you know NE, you are a being a real jerk. IF I have made veiled references, I'll be damned if I can remember. I believe I've also rep'd you positively where deserved, which I think Bully, CL, and other 'unpopular' posters will agree that I do. IF I have something negative to say, it would be done in 'private' with reps or pm's. Problem for you-I'm not anti-gay. I have friends and some that I care very much about. I am NOT in favor of marriage for them. I do think they should have some sort of legal protections for buying homes, pensions, and certainly hospital and funeral arrangements.

You are the bigot, not I.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

In terms of RWA, he has put words into my mouth and presumed more thing about me than anyone else on this board combined.

Here's a challenge. Name one thing I put in your mouth (sausage?), or one thing I have presumed about you.

 

[nakedemperor]

Here's a challenge. Name one thing I put in your mouth (sausage?), or one thing I have presumed about you.

GLADLY. Here's a random sampling that took me a few minutes to compile; there are so many posts where you've done the same thing and i've responded with "i'm not the liberal in your mind's eye", and I'll find more later. Until then:

2/13/05:

Originally Posted by rtwngAvngr
Yeah. right. You want it to fail so bush looks bad, despite your lip service to the contrary.


I can't tell you anything more than you're putting words in my mouth and being slanderous and prejudice towards the views of an individual, not someone whose mind YOU already made up for them.

1/27/05

Originally Posted by rtwngAvngr
Oh yeah. Because our elections are a sham and Bush DIDN'T really win, and yet still rose to power. I get it. You're clever, like soup.


I've lost count of the times you've put words into my mouth. As much fun as it is letting you know that I'm not that stereotypical liberal radical you have floating around somewhere in your mind's eye, Bush DID really win, and our elections WERE legitimate. But you probably don't even think that I actually mean that. You're probably going to let your stereotype's voice prevail over me actually telling you my convictions.

12/08/04

Originally Posted by rtwngAvngr
typical lib crap. socialism. income redistribution. corporations sued for the irresponsibility of their customers. Judicial activist judges rewriting law from the bench, villification of christians, rich people, white people, men, israelis.. on and on. shall i continue?


I've been decimated in debate my generalizations and prejudgements! OW!! My...PRIDE.


I'm not a socialist. I believe in tax cuts and I didnt like the death (dum dum DUUUMMM) tax; why? Because I'm from a Christian household, I'm rich, I'm white, and I'm a man.

That being said, religion is for people who are scared of their shadows, rich people should be forced to give their money to lazy people, white people are elitists, and men are pigs.

JUST KIDDING. I don't believe any of that crap. You've done pegged all the shit that seperates me from the 'typical libs' you hate so much.

 

[Annie]

Congratulations? I wasn't talking about you, I was talking to RWA.



You put "have no friends" in quotations, please refer me to where I've said this to Pale Rider and RWA. My attitude towards Pale Rider has to do with the wide gulf between our respective positions on gay rights. Pale likes to use caps and bold and red letters to say things like "fuck all fags" and "fags are going to hell". If this type of behavior doesn't require some amount of condescention, I don't know what does. However, if you agree with him, I'll condescend to your attitude of bigotry too; as yet, you have not, you've merely made numerous oddly-timed references to my sexuality that are completely out of context. Which isn't ground for assumption that you have the same level of animous that PR does, but I'll keep an open mind.

In terms of RWA, he has put words into my mouth and presumed more thing about me than anyone else on this board combined. Your assumption that I believe "anyone but Bush" puts you in the running, by the bye. However, I'd really like you to link me to the post in which I told Pale Rider and RWA that they "have no friends". Its possible I told one or both of them that more people would warm up to them if they stayed their tempers or adjusted their attitudes towards liberals who aren't mirror images of the mind's eye typical liberal they (and you) seem to have in your heads.

At any rate, I don't like your attitude either, so we'll have to agree to disagree, babe.

Cute the way you want to smear me with 'off the record' remarks. Do you have the same desire to out the left on theirs? Not admitting to a confluence or any such thing.

I wonder if anyone else, that isn't a 'homophobe' will call you out? You wish to paint me as such, but there are too many posts that point to the other side.

 

[Huckleburry]

Is there a conservative on this board besides Bonnie that can make a coherent argument about SS privatization? It is all fine and good to flame NE and congratulate your selves on "victory", however, with the exception of Bonnie no one has made an argument. The SS debate is one of economic policy and that means arguments can be bolstered by numbers, equations, and theorems all of which I have yet to see presented. If SS privatization is such a great deal then proving, using real economics should be an easy task and conservatives should be eager to prove their point. Thus far I have not seen an argument other than Dems = liberal communist homosexuals. That is not economics that is not even debate. If you have a point make it, and let’s actually talk about economics. If you are unable to talk about economics than do not participate in the economics forum.
I will end with a question. How does the privatization of SS for younger workers ameliorate the budget problems facing SS within the next 15-30 years?

 

[nakedemperor]

Cute the way you want to smear me with 'off the record' remarks. Do you have the same desire to out the left on theirs? Not admitting to a confluence or any such thing.

I wonder if anyone else, that isn't a 'homophobe' will call you out? You wish to paint me as such, but there are too many posts that point to the other side.

"However, if you agree with him, I'll condescend to your attitude of bigotry too; as yet, you have not, you've merely made numerous oddly-timed references to my sexuality that are completely out of context. Which isn't ground for assumption that you have the same level of animous that PR does, but I'll keep an open mind."

Note that this explicitly states that "as yet, you [are not a bigot]" and "i'll keep an open mind". Moreover, I mentioned your "oddly-timed" references to my sexuality, not you bigoted attacks on my sexuality. I think PR is a bigot because he has shown himself as such. You have not, and I pointed that out, yet somehow you came away thinking I was calling you a bigot. SOrry for this misunderstanding.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

GLADLY. Here's a random sampling that took me a few minutes to compile; there are so many posts where you've done the same thing and i've responded with "i'm not the liberal in your mind's eye", and I'll find more later. Until then:

2/13/05:

Originally Posted by rtwngAvngr
Yeah. right. You want it to fail so bush looks bad, despite your lip service to the contrary.


I can't tell you anything more than you're putting words in my mouth and being slanderous and prejudice towards the views of an individual, not someone whose mind YOU already made up for them.

1/27/05

Originally Posted by rtwngAvngr
Oh yeah. Because our elections are a sham and Bush DIDN'T really win, and yet still rose to power. I get it. You're clever, like soup.


I've lost count of the times you've put words into my mouth. As much fun as it is letting you know that I'm not that stereotypical liberal radical you have floating around somewhere in your mind's eye, Bush DID really win, and our elections WERE legitimate. But you probably don't even think that I actually mean that. You're probably going to let your stereotype's voice prevail over me actually telling you my convictions.

12/08/04

Originally Posted by rtwngAvngr
typical lib crap. socialism. income redistribution. corporations sued for the irresponsibility of their customers. Judicial activist judges rewriting law from the bench, villification of christians, rich people, white people, men, israelis.. on and on. shall i continue?


I've been decimated in debate my generalizations and prejudgements! OW!! My...PRIDE.


I'm not a socialist. I believe in tax cuts and I didnt like the death (dum dum DUUUMMM) tax; why? Because I'm from a Christian household, I'm rich, I'm white, and I'm a man.

That being said, religion is for people who are scared of their shadows, rich people should be forced to give their money to lazy people, white people are elitists, and men are pigs.

JUST KIDDING. I don't believe any of that crap. You've done pegged all the shit that seperates me from the 'typical libs' you hate so much.

These are not words in your mouth. This is how you see things, unbeknownst to even you, perhaps.

Thanks for assembling this "The Best Of Rwa" collection. It brought back a lot of fond memories. Damn, I'm the bomb.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Is there a conservative on this board besides Bonnie that can make a coherent argument about SS privatization? It is all fine and good to flame NE and congratulate your selves on "victory", however, with the exception of Bonnie no one has made an argument. The SS debate is one of economic policy and that means arguments can be bolstered by numbers, equations, and theorems all of which I have yet to see presented. If SS privatization is such a great deal then proving, using real economics should be an easy task and conservatives should be eager to prove their point. Thus far I have not seen an argument other than Dems = liberal communist homosexuals. That is not economics that is not even debate. If you have a point make it, and let’s actually talk about economics. If you are unable to talk about economics than do not participate in the economics forum.
I will end with a question. How does the privatization of SS for younger workers ameliorate the budget problems facing SS within the next 15-30 years?

The ss sytem as it stands now is a Ponzi Scheme. Do you know what those are? It would be illegal if attempted in the private sector. The letters they're sending to people every so often to say how much you'll get are just lies.

This NE fool wants to deny the problem (crisis) is serious enough to even deal with.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Pon·zi scheme ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pnz)
n.
An investment swindle in which high profits are promised from fictitious sources and early investors are paid off with funds raised from later ones.