The New Left, Cultural Marxism, and Psychopolitics Disguised as Multiculturalism

[Mr.Conley]

See, I would probably consider you a slightly left moderate, considering your age, working towards conservativism. :ducking:

I'll take that label, but it'll be a cold dark day in hell before I'm a full blown conservative. I disagree with too many conservative positions to ever reach that point.

 

[Mr.Conley]

The label I fancy for myself is pragmatist.

 

[Mr.Conley]

But I regress. I repost in search of other comments.

Here's my question: is there some sort of contest to see who can bash "the liberals" the most? I mean many of you people are freaking obsessed. It's like you can't escape the vast left-wing conspiracy. It seems like "the left" is all-incompetent and yet omnipotent at the same time. Don't you people have anything better to do than just go on and on all day about how much you hate liberals? Why not do something that's actually constructive instead of whining all day about how "the liberals" are out to get you? It's always "liberals this" and "liberals that" whine, whine, whine. Why don't you just run to your mommies and get them to fight away the big, old, liberal bullies?

How about actually accomplishing something for once? What ever happened to the whole 'fiscal restraint' bit? It's not "the liberals" fault anymore. You've had 6 fucking years with control of all three branches of government to get on it and I haven't seen anything. Hey, I have an idea: let's require that all government contracts be open to competitive bidding so taxpayer money gets saved while reducing corruption within the Federal government. No. The fucking conservative have to go on a two month blitzkerg about how "the liberals"(such as WalMart) are saying 'Happy Holidays'. Guess what ladies and gentlemen: New Years is a holiday too. I know, why not start to phase out Medicare and Medicaid, both of which are going to consume the government? No, instead it's always about how "the liberals" are going to marry the gays and come kill us in our sleep?

Now in no way are "the liberals" angels of the light. NCLB, for all it's flaws, is the first step in the right direction the Federal government has taken to solving the educational crisis in decades. Plus this whole withdrawal talk is riddiculous. You've got to clean up the mess you've made, but, NEWSFLASH, the conservatives won the last election.

It's time to stop acting like you're the "poor me" victims of some damn conspiracy and start acting like you're the fucking party in power. Use the presidency; use the House; use the Senate; use the Federal Courts; you control all of them. Start to do what you were put in power to do. Stop bitching about how the mean, old liberals are screwing everything up. It's time to start using your power and if there's a problem, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of bitching all day and complaining about flag burning. Do that and I'll guarantee you the "Perpetual GOP Majority" everyone of you dreams about.

 

[theHawk]

Here's my question: is there some sort of contest to see who can bash "the liberals" the most? I mean many of you people are freaking obsessed. It's like you can't escape the vast left-wing conspiracy. It seems like "the left" is all-incompetent and yet omnipotent at the same time. Don't you people have anything better to do than just go on and on all day about how much you hate liberals? Why not do something that's actually constructive instead of whining all day about how "the liberals" are out to get you? It's always "liberals this" and "liberals that" whine, whine, whine. Why don't you just run to your mommies and get them to fight away the big, old, liberal bullies?

How about actually accomplishing something for once? What ever happened to the whole 'fiscal restraint' bit? It's not "the liberals" fault anymore. You've had 6 fucking years with control of all three branches of government to get on it and I haven't seen anything. Hey, I have an idea: let's require that all government contracts be open to competitive bidding so taxpayer money gets saved while reducing corruption within the Federal government. No. The fucking conservative have to go on a two month blitzkerg about how "the liberals"(such as WalMart) are saying 'Happy Holidays'. Guess what ladies and gentlemen: New Years is a holiday too. I know, why not start to phase out Medicare and Medicaid, both of which are going to consume the government? No, instead it's always about how "the liberals" are going to marry the gays and come kill us in our sleep?

Now in no way are "the liberals" angels of the light. NCLB, for all it's flaws, is the first step in the right direction the Federal government has taken to solving the educational crisis in decades. Plus this whole withdrawal talk is riddiculous. You've got to clean up the mess you've made, but, NEWSFLASH, the conservatives won the last election.

It's time to stop acting like you're the "poor me" victims of some damn conspiracy and start acting like you're the fucking party in power. Use the presidency; use the House; use the Senate; use the Federal Courts; you control all of them. Start to do what you were put in power to do. Stop bitching about how the mean, old liberals are screwing everything up. It's time to start using your power and if there's a problem, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of bitching all day and complaining about flag burning. Do that and I'll guarantee you the "Perpetual GOP Majority" everyone of you dreams about.

The struggle against liberalism is probably going to be one that mankind will always have to deal with. I understand your viewpoint that conservatives might be seens as crying about it all the time. But the same could be said about liberals and their perception of conservatives.

Many liberal ideas seem righteous and appeal to most people. As the article points out, they like to use nice catch phrases to persuade people that their cause is moral. I mean who can argue against "religious tolerance"?

But the liberals count on people's ignorance and despise it when someone says "hey wait a minute, what exactly do you mean by {insert catch phrase}?" Thats all that us conservative try to do, is expose these liberal feel-good ideas for what it really is. We start to see that "religious tolerance" means bending the rules for one particular group. That "economic justice" is income redistribution. That "reproductive rights" means abortion on demand. That "keeping our streets safe" means gun control laws that would take away my right to defend my family in an emergency.

It doesn't matter how much conservatives are in control of the government, as long as liberals have the freedom of speech we'll always have to expose their lies. So its not a fight that is ever going to go away.

 

[Mr.Conley]

The struggle against liberalism is probably going to be one that mankind will always have to deal with. I understand your viewpoint that conservatives might be seens as crying about it all the time. But the same could be said about liberals and their perception of conservatives.

Many liberal ideas seem righteous and appeal to most people. As the article points out, they like to use nice catch phrases to persuade people that their cause is moral. I mean who can argue against "religious tolerance"?

But the liberals count on people's ignorance and despise it when someone says "hey wait a minute, what exactly do you mean by {insert catch phrase}?" Thats all that us conservative try to do, is expose these liberal feel-good ideas for what it really is. We start to see that "religious tolerance" means bending the rules for one particular group. That "economic justice" is income redistribution. That "reproductive rights" means abortion on demand. That "keeping our streets safe" means gun control laws that would take away my right to defend my family in an emergency.

It doesn't matter how much conservatives are in control of the government, as long as liberals have the freedom of speech we'll always have to expose their lies. So its not a fight that is ever going to go away.

Come off it. This is not the fucking final battle between good and evil. It's a policy debate. At least it was until both parties decided to turn it into a pissing contest. Seriously, the whole thing is about trying to out-dick the other party. "The liberals say we don't care about the poor because we want to phase out Medicaid? I know, let's call them unpatriotic for not wanting to start a pointless war in Iraq." Never mind the serious policy debate that could be had, just keep churning out 'articles' about how evil liberals are. After 20 years the rest of us got the point. We know you hate the liberals and we moved on, but no, the conservatives just keep going liberals this, liberals that. It's fucking old. You're not exposing any 'lie' at this point. It's all the pissing contest now to make the conservatives feel like they actually accomplished something in the past decade. Besides expanding the government and blowing the deficit even higher that is.

I don't care if, "the same could be said about liberals and their perception of conservatives." YOU'RE THE PARTY IN POWER. Who gives a rats ass about how the liberals act. Why not hold yourself to a higher standard? If conservatives are so much better, then why not start acting like it? Then again that would require you do something conservative for once that actually benefits the country. But no, the Republicans have to spend a month debating the merits of a flag burning amendment. Hello, we've got THREE WARS going on.

You want the real whining party? Go see the Republicans. "OMG, someone said Happy Holidays to me. I'm offended." Guess what sugar: there are more than just Christians in this country and it makes good business sense to court as many people as you can, and if 'Happy Holidays' covers everyone then so be it. "Oh no, the liberals don't want to invade another country." That doesn't mean they're in some conspiracy to destory America. Here's my favorite- the death penalty. The conservatives spend all day whining about how the government can't be trusted to do anything. Anything, apparently, except putting people to death.

"It doesn't matter how much conservatives are in control of the government..." Yes it does. That means you can actually do the shit you've been talking about since the mid-70s. Disband the DoE? NO! Instead you guys strengthened it's authority over local schools with NCLB. Eliminate welfare programs? How? By instead expanding Medicare and then lying about how much it's going to cost to the tune of $300 billion dollars. Keep the government out of our lives? Good work, now there's even more censorship and someone at the NSA is probably tracking my phonecalls right now. "Liberals talk about issues, conservatives get it done" my ass. What ever happened to the conservative in conservative? At least the good part. The conservatives will always be there to let us know how evil liberals are.

 

[theHawk]

I don't care if, "the same could be said about liberals and their perception of conservatives." YOU'RE THE PARTY IN POWER. Who gives a rats ass about how the liberals act. Why not hold yourself to a higher standard? If conservatives are so much better, then why not start acting like it? Then again that would require you do something conservative for once that actually benefits the country. But no, the Republicans have to spend a month debating the merits of a flag burning amendment. Hello, we've got THREE WARS going on.

Well, for one thing, alot of Republicans aren't true conservatives.
And when you say "YOU'RE THE PARTY IN POWER" and we should "do something about it" doesn't make much sense for alot of issues that divide the two schools of thought. We can't outlaw the idea of raising taxes. We can't outlaw anyone's ideas for that matter. What do you seriously expect us to do, outlaw the phrase "Happy Holidays" and force companies to use "Merry Christmas"? The point of that debate has absolutely nothing to do with law thus why would it matter which lawmakers are in office?

We give a "rats ass how the liberals act" because their acts do have a negative effect on society. We never implied that they were illegal, as if it could be prevented or corrected by Republican lawmakers currently in office. But it is important to expose such acts to the public in an effort to try to curb the behavior.

 

[Mr.Conley]

Well, for one thing, alot of Republicans aren't true conservatives.
And when you say "YOU'RE THE PARTY IN POWER" and we should "do something about it" doesn't make much sense for alot of issues that divide the two schools of thought. We can't outlaw the idea of raising taxes. We can't outlaw anyone's ideas for that matter. What do you seriously expect us to do, outlaw the phrase "Happy Holidays" and force companies to use "Merry Christmas"? The point of that debate has absolutely nothing to do with law thus why would it matter which lawmakers are in office?

We give a "rats ass how the liberals act" because their acts do have a negative effect on society. We never implied that they were illegal, as if it could be prevented or corrected by Republican lawmakers currently in office. But it is important to expose such acts to the public in an effort to try to curb the behavior.

What the Hell!?!?!?!!??! You're telling me that the Republicans can't do anything, ANYTHING, not even with the conservative Democrats, until you can mind control the population? Until then, the only thing conservatism is capable of is spewing out garbage? YOU'VE HAD 6 YEARS. Why not do something besides bitch all day long? I don't want you to ban 'Happy Holidays', I want you to realize how stupid it makes you sound. Start doing something, anything, the benefits the country. You have the potential to do great things, and that potential has been completely squandered.

Even your post demonstrates what I'm talking about. I write a four paragraph post about the failings of the conservative movement, and the only person who even attempts to respond can only take issue with the fact that I expect the party in power to do what it was put there to do. Many conservatives seem to have this bizzare fantasy that anything the libs think is wrong. Many take issue just to take issue. Instead of spending your days pouting, accept the fact that neither side is infallable and try to work together a little. The only people your antiliberal crusade hurts is America. Maybe if it were 30 years ago, when the conservative movement was still forming and out of power, I could understand what you're doing, but now you are in power, and you aren't using it for anything but a bullypulpit to continue the hysterics.

The problem with the 'Happy Holidays' clusterfuck was that conservatives took a total nonissue, and forced it into the public debate for months. It epitomizes how offtrack the conservative movement is. Why not do something important instead of either shrinking away from the issues or even doing the exact opposite of what you were voted in power to do? The conservative movement has totally lost it's principles, and all you can do is opine about how you can't get the liberals to shut up and follow without question.

Don't skirt the issue. There are two kinds of conservatives: actual conservatives with a respectable policy stance and the antilibs, the people who spend their days frothing at the mouth over how much they hate liberals. I'm looking for the former, but apparently they're an endangered species. What ever happened to the actual conservatives who acted as more than a foil for the liberals of the 1970s? Where are the conservatives with an actual plan? The ones who did more but betray their principles by expanding defunct programs like Medicare and crying about flag burning? Where are the ones who could inspire hope in this country and not rule under the shadow of 9/11? These are the questions I want answered.

 

[theHawk]

If anyone is foaming at the mouth its you. You keep reposting the same shit over and over. I don't give a shit about the "happy holidays" thing lol so give it a rest. And no one gives a shit if you're "tired" of hearing the right complain about the left.

So stop trying to spin this around as if we haven't done anything in 6 years. Conservatives haven't been complaining at all about what we have done. You seem to have it backwards. Its the liberals that have been screaming non-stop for 6 years about what we have been doing. Let see, invaded Afganistan and routed the taliban. Invaded Iraq and overthrew Saddam.

You expect us do say nothing about the stupid shit the left spews out non-stop? Like Joe Wilson's lies? What the fuck are we supposed to do? Let assholes like him and the Democrats that tout his story spread his outright lies? You're tired of us conservatives exposing dipshits like that? Then tell your liberal friends to stop spewing out lies like him.


Laters.

 

[Mr.Conley]

Answer my questions. Where is the conservative movement? What happened to fiscal restraint? Limited government? Free trade? Not getting involved in foriegn affairs? That's what I'm asking. Why do you continue to avoid the quesion? If you don't care then don't post.

Again, Afghanistan and Iraq are the opposite of what Bush and conservatives stand for. Thanks for giving me another example. Afghanistan was justified, but not Iraq, not with how he was elected. Once again we see that either the conservatives of today do nothing or betray their principles.

I expect you to govern. I expect the "principled, uncompromising conservatives" to do what they said they would. Instead of cleaning up corruption in the government, we've reached new levels of pork. Instead of reducing the welfare state, you've expanded it. Instead of respecting individual rights, we've entered a grey area. Before the conservatives and their fabled respect for the Constitution came to power, "unitary executive" theory didn't exist. Why is the conservative movement so brazenly betraying it's founding principles?

Now stop trying to deflect with more "liberals are evil and me have to protect ourselves crap" and answer the question: why has the conservative movement abandoned its principles? Again, I repeat, stop deflecting. If I'm interested in the problems of the liberal movement I'll go to DU and ask them there. There is no rule forbidding me from discussing the subject without insulting the democrats at the same time. If you want, I'll post an entire thread on my problems with liberals and the Democratic party, but this is USMB, and I want to talk about conservatives too. Unsurprisingly, when faced with hypocracy, the entire conservative population of this board save two has gone silent. I respect and admire you for at least posting, but won't you answer my question?

 

[Mr.Conley]

So no one on this board can answer my question? What happened to Conservatism? Where did it go?

 

[musicman]

So no one on this board can answer my question? What happened to Conservatism? Where did it go?

In the first place, why don't you lose the fucking attitude? Christ almighty, man - you twist yourself into pretzel-eights protesting that you're not a liberal, but damned if you don't act just like one - jumping up and down in the sandbox, screaming because no one wants to play with you THIS MINUTE. What's the matter - did Linda Kimball's calling liberalism what it is send you into a towering snit? Hitting a little too close to home, maybe?

Second - has it occurred to you that the reason Republican numbers are in the toilet is because conservative America understands that the Party is trying to fuck us over? Don't be so narcissistic, Professor. Ideas actually exist before YOU have them.

America's three deadliest enemies(in no particular order):

Cowardly international murderers, still living in the eighth century, who believe that the Western world has grown too fat and corrupt to defend itself, and is therefore ripe for the taking.

Arrogant, America-hating liberal socialists - foreign and domestic.

Neocon wolves in conservative sheep's clothing.

 

[Mr.Conley]

In the first place, why don't you lose the fucking attitude? Christ almighty, man - you twist yourself into pretzel-eights protesting that you're not a liberal, but damned if you don't act just like one - jumping up and down in the sandbox, screaming because no one wants to play with you THIS MINUTE. What's the matter - did Linda Kimball's calling liberalism what it is send you into a towering snit? Hitting a little too close to home, maybe?

Second - has it occurred to you that the reason Republican numbers are in the toilet is because conservative America understands that the Party is trying to fuck us over? Don't be so narcissistic, Professor. Ideas actually exist before YOU have them.

America's three deadliest enemies(in no particular order):

Cowardly international murderers, still living in the eighth century, who believe that the Western world has grown too fat and corrupt to defend itself, and is therefore ripe for the taking.

Arrogant, America-hating liberal socialists - foreign and domestic.

Neocon wolves in conservative sheep's clothing.

So having sorted so the insults, the invective, the straw men, and the false leads, I think I've finally got an answer: the elite of the Republican party has stopped representing the interests of its constituents. Is this a correct judgment?

 

[Hobbit]

So having sorted so the insults, the invective, the straw men, and the false leads, I think I've finally got an answer: the elite of the Republican party has stopped representing the interests of its constituents. Is this a correct judgment?

Pretty much. Republicans are supposed to shrink government, lower taxes, and cut spending. One out of three just don't cut it.

 

[Mr.Conley]

Pretty much. Republicans are supposed to shrink government, lower taxes, and cut spending. One out of three just don't cut it.

So are you just going to take it, and vote Republican anyway? Or are you going to vote for a third party?

I myself am not voting for my incumbent. That means I'll be voting Republican. Normally I'd vote for either the Libertarians, or the Greens, but my district's race is going to be close, so the mostly likely opposing candidate will need all the support he can get. I don't agree with him on quite a few issues, but is that you're situation too?

 

[Mr.Conley]

Then again, why support a candidate who you know is going to screw you over. My situation is different because I just want the incumbent gone, but why go out and support an incumbent Republican if you know he's going to screw you over?

 

[Hobbit]

So are you just going to take it, and vote Republican anyway? Or are you going to vote for a third party?

I myself am not voting for my incumbent. That means I'll be voting Republican. Normally I'd vote for either the Libertarians, or the Greens, but my district's race is going to be close, so the mostly likely opposing candidate will need all the support he can get. I don't agree with him on quite a few issues, but is that you're situation too?

Actually, I've examined the voting records of my incumbents, and as much as I'd like to kick somebody out of Washington, I haven't yet found a good reason to kick my representatives out. I've agreed with them on almost every issue.

 

[Mr.Conley]

Actually, I've examined the voting records of my incumbents, and as much as I'd like to kick somebody out of Washington, I haven't yet found a good reason to kick my representatives out. I've agreed with them on almost every issue.

Lucky...

 

[musicman]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32052

 

[5stringJeff]

So having sorted so the insults, the invective, the straw men, and the false leads, I think I've finally got an answer: the elite of the Republican party has stopped representing the interests of its constituents. Is this a correct judgment?

Yes.

For example, my congressman (Dave Reichert, R, WA-8) has yet to meet a spending bill he doesn't like. He votes for pork as much as Democrats do. In fact, I got a flyer in the mail a few days ago, from him, bragging about all the pork he brought home. That tells me that he's no better than his Democrat opponent, as far as spending goes. I'll probably vote third party this year, because I'm not voting for a big-government Republican, and I'm sure as hell not voting Democrat.

Example #2: Senator Maria Cantwell, D-WA, is up for reelection. Her opponent, Mike McGavik, is a supporter of the Bush amnesty plan. Can't vote for him. Plus, I have yet to hear how he plans to vote on other issues, like small government, or tax breaks, etc. All I hear from him is how bad Maria Cantwell is. So now I'm voting third party for two races. If the GOP would run a conservative, it would find a whole lot more support.

 

[theHawk]

Answer my questions. Where is the conservative movement?

I don't know I don't go to any type of politcal rallies or meet with the entire conservative base. Don't know what you expect me to say about it, I have my beliefs which are mostly conservative. I certainly can't speak on behalf of Republican lawmakers that have let us down. Why do you seem to think the conservative movement is dead anyway?

What happened to fiscal restraint? Limited government? Free trade? Not getting involved in foriegn affairs? That's what I'm asking. Why do you continue to avoid the quesion? If you don't care then don't post.

I don't know why the Republicans haven't cut out alot of the fat in the government. I wish they'd cut all the welfare programs out at the very least, but I also wish they'd suspend most all of foreign aid. I guess the problem is when you try to cut someone's money off, they scream bloody hell. I didn't know that we weren't allowed to get "involved in foreign affairs", if we feel our national security is being threatened, then I think we should so something.

Again, Afghanistan and Iraq are the opposite of what Bush and conservatives stand for. Thanks for giving me another example. Afghanistan was justified, but not Iraq, not with how he was elected. Once again we see that either the conservatives of today do nothing or betray their principles.

OK, at first you say Afganistan is the opposite of what conservatives stand for, but then say it was justified. The Taliban were the ones responsible for the attacks. Iraq as well was in gross violation of UN agreements, we believed they had wmd, and they violated the no-fly zone for nearly a decade. There was a dozen different reasons to take Saddam out, I'm glad we did, even if you and the libs aren't. The democracy stuff and rebuilding is just playing nice, that really isn't my biggest concern. Personally I don't think Muslims can handle "freedom", it just goes against their religion. I think Bush is an idiot for saying crap like Islam is a "Religion of Peace". Right bub...:talk2:

I expect you to govern. I expect the "principled, uncompromising conservatives" to do what they said they would. Instead of cleaning up corruption in the government, we've reached new levels of pork. Instead of reducing the welfare state, you've expanded it. Instead of respecting individual rights, we've entered a grey area. Before the conservatives and their fabled respect for the Constitution came to power, "unitary executive" theory didn't exist. Why is the conservative movement so brazenly betraying it's founding principles?

I expected it too, hence why we are disappointed at Repubs. Doesn't mean we're going to run to the Demo-Marxist Party next election. I'm not buying all this bullshit that they suddenly are all about "fiscal restraint". Even if they are, is it worth it when they will just raise everyone's taxes and bring back the Carter Economy?

As for foreign policy, it doesn't even matter who wins the next election. Democrats and Neocons alike will be more than willing to join Israel in its Zionist struggle. The Dems will do whatever Israel asks without question, and Neocons are so blinded by their "WOT" that they believe any terrorist attack on a different country is an attack on us. When you inferred that the conservative policy is to not to get involved in foreign affairs, I agree with that, so long as our National security isn't being threatened. This is a case I believe we should stay out of, because I don't believe that our security has anything to do with the sustainment of Israel. The Zionist Jews are the ones that wanted this land for their state, then let them fight for it.