The New Communism: Healthcare

Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by PoliticalChic, Jul 25, 2009.

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    Once upon a time the cognoscenti were proud to tell all that they were communists! Proud to be on the cutting edge of societal thought, clearly ahead of everyone else. But once the horrendous nature of the ideology became apparent, it was no longer possible to wear that badge.

    Then, they were liberals, then progressives…whatever incarnation served, until its predilections became known.

    Now, the rebirth of the thinking that we, the proletariat, the bourgeois, must be deprived of our lives and our liberties.
    The new title is Communitarian, and the new bumper sticker is ‘social justice,’ and nowhere is it more evident than in the healthcare debate.

    Read their own self-description, and recognize the political babble of the 1950’s American Communists:

    “Communitarianism emerged in the 1980s as a response to the limits of liberal theory and practice. Its dominant themes are that individual rights need to be balanced with social responsibilities, and that autonomous selves do not exist in isolation, but are shaped by the values and culture of communities…The critique of one-sided emphasis on rights has been key to defining communitarianism…"Rights talk" thus corrupts our political discourse, and is used to trump genuine conversation, public deliberation, and practical compromise…rights need to be seen in a more balanced framework, and that the U.S. would benefit by a temporary moratorium on the manufacture of new rights.
    While a few communitarians have developed refined institutional analyses to match their critiques—one thinks of liberal-communitarian Ezekiel Emanuel's very interesting proposals on health care…”
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    “Another key administration figure… is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, self-described 'communitarian, the president's chief of staff…”is one of those responsible for inserting into the “healthcare bill” the ideas that we no longer should have rights, such as determining what care we can buy, or how long we should live, and doctors should no longer look to the Hippocratic Oath, and the particular patient, but neglect the patient in the interests of ‘social justice,’ and the society as a whole.

    The shocking element is that, in the words of Democat former Colorodo Governor Dick Lamb, "the elderly have a patriotic duty to die."
     
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    Well, let's see. The government has taken over the banks. They have taken over the auto industry. They have taken over the home mortgage industry. Now they are trying to take over health care. I predict that in a few months they will be trying to make it illegal to own any firearms. Then Hitler Obama will have completed his task. He wants the government to control every aspect of your life and he will not stop until that happens.
     
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    And they do such a good job, don't they.

    On August 4th, 1977, that is 32 years ago, the Department of Energy was established.
    It currently has 16,000 federal employees and 100,000 contract employees.
    It has a budget of $24.2 billion.
    Question: what was the stated reason for the establishment of the department?


    Answer: TO LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE
    ON FOREIGN OIL.
    Now, based on this level of accomplishment, what are the other initiatives whe should put in the hands of the government?
     
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    Bush began the Socialization, didn't he.
     
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    Where's a Senator Joseph McCarthy when you need him? There are [pick a number] of Communists in Congress. He denounced the whole Democratic party as traitors. Now, he's a joke.
     
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    When Obama gets around to getting a moron Czar, I've got a few names for his list!:lol:
     
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    Great topic Pol chic - some of us read the writing on the wall last year and some are just now recovering from their Kool Aid hangover

    Isn't Acorn an association of communitarian organizers?

    Man I'd love to see some of BHOs old college papers.
     
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    What a dingbat you are. Was Bismarck a communist? Don't worry, we will have a real Health Care System in this nation, and you will help pay for it. Happy now?

    Otto von Bismarck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    – Otto von Bismarck, 20.03.1884[32]

    The 1880s were a period when Germany started on its long road towards the welfare state it is today. The Social Democratic, National Liberal and Center parties were all involved in the beginnings of social legislation, but it was Bismarck who established the first practical aspects of this program. The program of the Social Democrats included all of the programs that Bismarck eventually implemented, but also included programs designed to preempt the programs championed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Bismarck’s idea was to implement the minimum aspects of these programs that were acceptable to the German government without any of the overtly Socialistic aspects.

    Bismarck opened debate on the subject on 17 November 1881 in the Imperial Message to the Reichstag, using the term practical Christianity[33] to describe his program. In 1881 Bismarck had also referred to this program as Staatssozialismus, when he made the following accurate prediction to a colleague:

    "It is possible that all our politics will come to nothing when I am dead but state socialism will drub[force] itself in. (Der Staatssozialismus paukt sich durch.)"[34]
    Bismarck’s program centered squarely on insurance programs designed to increase productivity, and focus the political attentions of German workers on supporting the Junker's government. The program included Health Insurance; Accident Insurance (Workman’s Compensation); Disability Insurance; and an Old-age Retirement Pension, none of which were then currently in existence to any great degree.

    Based on Bismarck’s message, The Reichstag filed three bills designed to deal with the concept of Accident insurance, and one for Health Insurance. The subjects of Retirement pensions and Disability Insurance were placed on the back burner for the time being.[35]


    [edit] Health Insurance Bill of 1883
    The first bill that had success was the Health Insurance bill, which was passed in 1883. The program was considered the least important from Bismarck’s point of view, and the least politically troublesome. The program was established to provide health care for the largest segment of the German workers. The health service was established on a local basis, with the cost divided between employers and the employed. The employers contributed 1/3rd, while the workers contributed 2/3rds . The minimum payments for medical treatment and Sick Pay for up to 13 weeks were legally fixed. The individual local health bureaus were administered by a committee elected by the members of each bureau, and this move had the unintended effect of establishing a majority representation for the workers on account of their large financial contribution. This worked to the advantage of the Social Democrats who – through heavy Worker membership – achieved their first small foothold in public administration.[35]


    [edit] Accident Insurance Bill of 1884
    Bismarck’s government had to submit three draft bills before they could get one passed by the Reichstag in 1884. Bismarck had originally proposed that the Federal Government pay a portion of the Accident Insurance contribution. Bismarck’s motive was a demonstration of the willingness of the German government to lessen the hardship experienced by the German workers as a means of weaning them away from the various left-wing parties, most importantly the Social Democrats. The National Liberals took this program to be an expression of State Socialism, which they were dead set against. The Center party was afraid of the expansion of Federal Power at the expense of States Rights. As a result, the only way the program could be passed at all was for the entire expense to be underwritten by the Employers. To facilitate this, Bismarck arranged for the administration of this program to be placed in the hands of “Der Arbeitgeberverband in den beruflichen Korporationen”, which translates as “The organization of employers in occupational corporations”. This organization established central and bureaucratic insurance offices on the Federal, and in some cases the State level to perform the actual administration. The program kicked in to replace the health insurance program as of the 14th week. It paid for medical treatment and a Pension of up to 2/3rds of earned wages if the worker was fully disabled. This program was expanded in 1886 to include Agricultural workers.[35]


    [edit] Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889
    The Old Age Pension program, financed by a tax on workers, was designed to provide a pension annuity for workers who reached the age of 70 years. At the time, the life expectancy for the average Prussian was 45 years. Unlike the Accident Insurance and Health Insurance programs, this program covered Industrial, Agrarian, Artisans and Servants from the start. Also, unlike the other two programs, the principle that the Federal Government should contribute a portion of the underwriting cost, with the other two portions prorated accordingly, was accepted without question. The Disability Insurance program was intended to be used by those permanently disabled. This time, the State or Province supervised the programs directly.[35]
     
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    Are the Young Republicans a bunch of Fascists?

    I don't have to see college papers to ascertain that the Bush administration was composed of people with definate Fascist leanings.

    Statement of Principles
     
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