The Nature of "Islamic" Terrorism

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    There exists a common misconception that "Islamic terrorism" exists solely to punish the U.S. for its secularism and liberal democratic "values," but it seems more accurate to note that a more likely motive is anger regarding specific perceived encroachments by U.S. political regimes in terms of support for the Israeli government. Evidence of this is found in Osama bin Laden's first fatwa, Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places. Issued in 1996, it identified the Al-Aqsa Mosque as an Islamic holy site that was allegedly being defiled by Israeli sovereignty over the area. Moreover, the reality of his intent was covered in Marc Perelman's Bin Laden Aimed To Link Plot to Israel:

    Moreover, he wished to accelerate the attacks twice, both in response to what he considered "provocative" actions by the man known as the "Butcher of Beirut," Ariel Sharon. I wouldn't claim that he didn't oppose Western "decadence," but his opposition would not have been characterized by such a violent backlash had he not regarded the existence of financial and military support as an imposition of that decadence. As has been previously noted, he did not choose to attack the significantly more "decadent" Sweden or the Netherlands, for instance.

    This reality is certainly confirmed by opinion polling of the Arab populace on the matter. Zogby International's Impressions of America 2004: A Six-Nation Survey summarizes this well, noting that "[w]hen asked whether their overall attitude toward the US was shaped by their feelings about American values or US policies, in all six countries, an overwhelming percentage of respondents indicated that policy played a more important role." This assessment is validated by analyses such as this one:

    What comes of this is revelation of the fact that there are deeper political motivations for "Islamist" assaults against U.S. targets that can be altered by their realization of the differences between the U.S. political class and the U.S. general population and the consequent immorality of attacking the latter as if it was the former, since they become aware of the divergence between the two when it comes to foreign policy formation. If the basis for their hostility was purely theological in nature, as some assert, this wouldn't make a difference to them one way or the other.

    It is problematic, then, that it is incorrectly assumed that "Islamic" radicals are primarily motivated by theological doctrines and hatred of secularism and civil freedoms, when that is contradicted by such substantial evidence. That also means that an impediment to rational analysis and the formation of sound foreign policy by U.S. political regimes will continue to exist so long as this myth is sustained.
     
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    GHook93 has now "replied" to this thread by negrepping me. He has not, however, issued any substantive or coherent response, indicating that he has no interest in actual discussion. This is another of the problems that we encounter, sadly.
     
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    After I posted this comment, GHook93 sent me several belligerent messages characterized by tantrum throwing and racial invectives.

    PMs deleted

    It's unfortunate that some react to attempts at civil discourse in such a manner.
     
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    there are clearly 2 kinds of terrorism in the modern world:

    1 - the primarily Sunni acts of interpretation of the Quran in the context of modern colonial attitudes by one group

    2 - the mainly shia love for "death cult" that makes them love martyrdom. This form has ended because it was pretty much an Iranian military tactic that is definitely 100% political and in no way related to the Quran.

    I would say that without the colonial attitudes of the West, the problem would not be as intense. In fact, the problem wouldn't really exist. When the arab countries manage to control their borders and the aggression from the West, the sunni version will pretty much become the shia version... in that it will be a synonim for patriotism.
     
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    and the racist comments are funny, because the future of Israel is looking fairly bad once the US pulls out of Iraq and creates a giant Shia bloc at its doorstep

    Israel LOST the 2006 war, because it had to eradicate Hezbollah. It did not. It used its FULL military potential against Lebanon. The ground forces had already lost the ground war by 2000, and had to pull out. The only way they can go back in is by eliminating Hezbollah from the air. They can't.
     
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    Arguments that contradict foolish preconceptions about Muslims tend to incense posters such as Ghook. Careful, Saladin -- you're well on your way to being labeled an "Islamo-fascist." :lol:
     
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    Actually, the original negrep comment that I received from our esteemed comrade was "You worthless Islamofacist! Why does Europe get hit with far more terrorist acts than the US?" No desire for actual participation in discussion, evidently.
     
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    I don't see your point Saladin...

    I have a short attention span and therefore rarely read more than a paragraph per post so lets keep it concise.

    Islamic terrorist exist NOT solely to punish the Wests liberal democracy and secular society, but also because the US supports Israel?

    And that makes it OK?
     
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    :lol: You refuse to read the whole post and then want someone to explain it to you?

    Lazy. :lol:
     
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    That's his style; don't take it personal. He has a napoleon complex.
     

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