The Nanking Massacre and Iris Chang's Book The Rape of Nanking

[Vandalshandle]

The Japanese military rulers were actually very nice guys. They were just misunderstood.

 

[JoeB131]

The Japanese military rulers were actually very nice guys. They were just misunderstood.

And Hitler just needed a hug! I'm waiting for Revisionist Mikey and Dripping Poop to make that argument.

 

[mikegriffith1]

What if I told you that most—not all, but most—of what our history books say about WW-II Imperial Japan is either false or selectively misleading? Guess who said this:

During the Second World War the Japanese were stereotyped in the European and American imagination as fanatical, cruel, and almost inhuman. This view is unhistorical and simplistic.​

Who would say such a thing? This statement is from the introduction to the book Japanese Prisoners of War (Cambridge University Press, 2000), edited by three eminent scholars, including Dr. Philip Towle of Cambridge University, and with chapters authored by scholars from Harvard, the University of the West in England, and Nottingham University, among others, and by several respected Japanese scholars.

 

[JoeB131]

What if I told you that most—not all, but most—of what our history books say about WW-II Imperial Japan is either false or selectively misleading? Guess who said this:

During the Second World War the Japanese were stereotyped in the European and American imagination as fanatical, cruel, and almost inhuman. This view is unhistorical and simplistic.
Who would say such a thing? This statement is from the introduction to the book Japanese Prisoners of War (Cambridge University Press, 2000), edited by three eminent scholars, including Dr. Philip Towle of Cambridge University, and with chapters authored by scholars from Harvard, the University of the West in England, and Nottingham University, among others, and by several respected Japanese scholars.

Most of what people believe about Japan today is inaccurate...

But the Japanese in WWII were still fucking evil as shit.

 

[Unkotare]

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Most of what people believe about Japan today is inaccurate... ....

"Most people" including you? You've proven yourself as ignorant as hell about WWII.

 

[gipper]

What if I told you that most—not all, but most—of what our history books say about WW-II Imperial Japan is either false or selectively misleading? Guess who said this:

During the Second World War the Japanese were stereotyped in the European and American imagination as fanatical, cruel, and almost inhuman. This view is unhistorical and simplistic.
Who would say such a thing? This statement is from the introduction to the book Japanese Prisoners of War (Cambridge University Press, 2000), edited by three eminent scholars, including Dr. Philip Towle of Cambridge University, and with chapters authored by scholars from Harvard, the University of the West in England, and Nottingham University, among others, and by several respected Japanese scholars.

Most of what people believe about Japan today is inaccurate...

But the Japanese in WWII were still fucking evil as shit.

Is that justification for Truman’s evil war crime, which was worse than anything the Japanese did.

 

[Vandalshandle]

What if I told you that most—not all, but most—of what our history books say about WW-II Imperial Japan is either false or selectively misleading? Guess who said this:

During the Second World War the Japanese were stereotyped in the European and American imagination as fanatical, cruel, and almost inhuman. This view is unhistorical and simplistic.​

Who would say such a thing? This statement is from the introduction to the book Japanese Prisoners of War (Cambridge University Press, 2000), edited by three eminent scholars, including Dr. Philip Towle of Cambridge University, and with chapters authored by scholars from Harvard, the University of the West in England, and Nottingham University, among others, and by several respected Japanese scholars.

What would I say if you told me that? I would be shocked if you didn't tell me that!

 

[mikegriffith1]

The Japanese military rulers were actually very nice guys. They were just misunderstood.

I sense that you have no interest in fact on this issue, but in actuality, some of the biggest peace advocates in the Japanese government were senior military officers, such as Admiral Yonai, who was one of the Big Six (he was the Navy Minister), and Admiral Suzuki, who played a crucial role in bringing about Japan's surrender.

We blundered badly in assassinating Admiral Yamamoto. The militarists disliked and distrusted Yamamoto. Until it became clear that FDR was determined to strangle Japan's economy and push Japan into war, Yamamoto was one of the leading opponents of war with the U.S. There were several times when his aides feared the militarists were going to assassinate him. The peace advocates could have very much used his clout when they began to push for surrender in early 1945.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The Japanese military rulers were actually very nice guys. They were just misunderstood.

I sense that you have no interest in fact on this issue, but in actuality, some of the biggest peace advocates in the Japanese government were senior military officers, such as Admiral Yonai, who was one of the Big Six (he was the Navy Minister), and Admiral Suzuki, who played a crucial role in bringing about Japan's surrender.

We blundered badly in assassinating Admiral Yamamoto. The militarists disliked and distrusted Yamamoto. Until it became clear that FDR was determined to strangle Japan's economy and push Japan into war, Yamamoto was one of the leading opponents of war with the U.S. There were several times when his aides feared the militarists were going to assassinate him. The peace advocates could have very much used his clout when they began to push for surrender in early 1945.

I think that you will have better luck selling your revisionist history to people who were not alive during WW2 yet.

 

[JoeB131]

Is that justification for Truman’s evil war crime, which was worse than anything the Japanese did.

Uh, no, it really wasn't. We dropped a bomb on a country that had attacked us... we actually dropped a lot of bombs, but the atomic bombs would later haunt us..when they probably weren't that big of a deal at the time.

At that point, 70 million people had already died in the war... people were numb to it on all sides.

 

[JoeB131]

I sense that you have no interest in fact on this issue, but in actuality, some of the biggest peace advocates in the Japanese government were senior military officers, such as Admiral Yonai, who was one of the Big Six (he was the Navy Minister), and Admiral Suzuki, who played a crucial role in bringing about Japan's surrender.

We blundered badly in assassinating Admiral Yamamoto. The militarists disliked and distrusted Yamamoto. Until it became clear that FDR was determined to strangle Japan's economy and push Japan into war, Yamamoto was one of the leading opponents of war with the U.S. There were several times when his aides feared the militarists were going to assassinate him. The peace advocates could have very much used his clout when they began to push for surrender in early 1945.

they should have surrendered at the Battle of Midway... Instead they dragged the war on for 3 more years of death and destruction, hoping in vain the US would get tired of it and let them keep their ill-gotten gains.

Then when the USSR got into it, they realized they didn't want a bunch of half-Slavic Babies when the Soviets raped the shit out of all their women. So they surrendered after inflicting untold misery on their people.

 

[gipper]

Is that justification for Truman’s evil war crime, which was worse than anything the Japanese did.

Uh, no, it really wasn't. We dropped a bomb on a country that had attacked us... we actually dropped a lot of bombs, but the atomic bombs would later haunt us..when they probably weren't that big of a deal at the time.

At that point, 70 million people had already died in the war... people were numb to it on all sides.

You are a total dupe for the ruling class, but don’t know it.

Just kill. It’s okay.

 

[gipper]

The Japanese military rulers were actually very nice guys. They were just misunderstood.

Well then, Dirty Harry Truman was a REALLY nice guy.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The Japanese military rulers were actually very nice guys. They were just misunderstood.

Well then, Dirty Harry Truman was a REALLY nice guy.

Both atomic bombs combined did not kill as many Japanese civilians as LeMay's incendiary bombing did, but unlike those bombs, the atomic bombs ended the war and the killing altogether.

 

[Unkotare]

Read the whole thread.

 

[JoeB131]

Both atomic bombs combined did not kill as many Japanese civilians as LeMay's incendiary bombing did, but unlike those bombs, the atomic bombs ended the war and the killing altogether.

I don't think the Atom Bombs had that much of a difference on the outcome of the war. What forced the Japanese to finally surrender was that the USSR entered the war in the Pacific This opened a whole new front in China, Manchuria and Korea, and opened the possibility that Japan herself might be occupied by the Soviets. (Stories of how the Soviets were raping the shit out of German women were no doubt already getting back to Japan.)

The other key element in forcing the surrender is the US Dropped it's demand for "unconditional surrender" agreed to at Yalta and Potsdam, and conceded that the Emperor would be kept in place and not charged with any war crimes (even though Hirohito committed a bunch of them.)

Now, all that said- the reason why the myth of the Atom Bomb grew was that after the USSR and USA started stockpiling enough of them to create an existential threat to the human race, THEN they became a bigger deal. Then we started questioning why we dropped them on those nice people who made those transistor radios and Godzilla movies.

 

[Unkotare]

....Now, all that said- the reason why the myth of the Atom Bomb grew was that after the USSR and USA started stockpiling enough of them to create an existential threat to the human race, THEN they became a bigger deal. Then we started questioning why we dropped them on those nice people who made those transistor radios and Godzilla movies.

Bullcrap.

 

[JoeB131]

....Now, all that said- the reason why the myth of the Atom Bomb grew was that after the USSR and USA started stockpiling enough of them to create an existential threat to the human race, THEN they became a bigger deal. Then we started questioning why we dropped them on those nice people who made those transistor radios and Godzilla movies.

Bullcrap.

Reality... our view of history is colored by subsequent events...

No one at the time thought twice about nuking Japan.

At the time, while our propagandists made a distinction between "Good Germans" and "Nazis", the Japanese were portrayed as sub-human monsters. In reality, the "Good Germans" never showed up, they fought for Hitler to the last old man and little boy.

Today, you will find all sorts of movies where the Nazis are the villians, thanks to all the Jewish influence in Hollywood, but it's rare you'll find a movie about the awful stuff Japan did in World War II. If you find one, it's usually about how white people were inconvenienced.

 

[Unkotare]

....Now, all that said- the reason why the myth of the Atom Bomb grew was that after the USSR and USA started stockpiling enough of them to create an existential threat to the human race, THEN they became a bigger deal. Then we started questioning why we dropped them on those nice people who made those transistor radios and Godzilla movies.

Bullcrap.

Reality... our view of history is colored by subsequent events...

No one at the time thought twice about nuking Japan.

At the time, while our propagandists made a distinction between "Good Germans" and "Nazis", the Japanese were portrayed as sub-human monsters. In reality, the "Good Germans" never showed up, they fought for Hitler to the last old man and little boy.

Today, you will find all sorts of movies where the Nazis are the villians, thanks to all the Jewish influence in Hollywood, but it's rare you'll find a movie about the awful stuff Japan did in World War II. If you find one, it's usually about how white people were inconvenienced.

it is astonishing how ignorant you are.

At least read the whole thread before you embarrass yourself further.

 

[JoeB131]

it is astonishing how ignorant you are.

At least read the whole thread before you embarrass yourself further.

You and Mikey are pushing revisionist history, Dripping Poop.