The Myth that the Kansas Tax Cuts "Failed"

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Liberals, and even some neo-cons, have been busy spreading the myth that the Kansas tax cuts have "failed," that the tax cuts caused a huge deficit, and that the tax cuts did not lead to good economic growth. Liberals are cheering the fact that a few months ago the Kansas legislature, by a narrow vote, repealed a good chunk of Governor Sam Brownback's tax cuts. Alan Cobb gives us the other side of the story:

The state legislature’s recent decision to raise income taxes by $1.2 billion will hurt every working Kansan and small business. It will damage the long-term trajectory of our state. It will pummel pocketbooks and discourage job creators. Additionally, the retroactive nature of these regressive taxes will cause a great deal of pain, crippling our state’s economy and putting us at a competitive disadvantage.

Kansans deserve to keep more of their own money. The 2012 income tax cuts did just that. Families had more in their pockets to pay off debt, save for their children’s college or invest in a new home. Business owners were able to reinvest their earnings into their enterprise and local communities.

Kansas saw strong results. Unemployment is down to 3.7%, the lowest in 16 years. The state set a record for new businesses every year since cutting income taxes. The small businesses the tax cuts targeted created 98% of new private sector jobs in our state. Despite these strong results, many blamed our budget challenges on these cuts, ignoring the substantial downturn in global agriculture and energy markets.

Refusing to acknowledge the data, legislators pledge to fix the perceived problem of the “small business tax cut.” But when the time came to cast their votes, they voted for broad-based tax increases on all Kansas workers. Kansas will now have a higher top marginal individual income tax rate than Massachusetts. (Kansas tax cuts produced strong results)​

In a nutshell, here is what happened:

* The tax cuts were followed by good overall economic growth.

* The tax cuts were followed by five years of record business creation in Kansas.

* The tax cuts were followed by several other positive economic developments, such as a historic reduction in the child poverty rate.

* The legislature failed to eliminate politically popular exemptions and deductions, making the initial revenue drop more severe than the governor planned.

* The legislature failed to reduce spending to the level of revenue.

* Indeed, state spending increased every year except 2013, where expenditures decreased a modest 3 percent from 2012. It should therefore not come as a surprise that the state faced large budget gaps year after year.

* Eventually, rather than cut spending to the level of revenue, some newly elected moderate Republicans teamed up with the Democrats a few months ago and narrowly overrode Brownback's veto and repealed much of Brownback's tax cuts.

Jonathan Williams and Joel Griffith of the American Legislative Exchange Council:

For years, the tax and spend crowd has desperately tried to pin Kansas’ economic difficulties on tax cuts in an attempt to deter tax reformers in the other 49 states and Washington, D.C. The data indicate otherwise. While the detractors are correct that the nation does have much to learn from the Kansas tax reforms, the real lessons are far different than those misleadingly promoted by the naysayers. An overwhelming majority of the academic evidence confirms, lower taxes – especially lower tax rates on business and personal income – indeed boost economic growth. Failure to properly prioritize spending or tackle government inefficiency continues to impact Kansas finances.

Perhaps the most important complexity to keep in mind is the Kansas tax reform plan was never fully implemented as intended. Many political compromises gave us a patchwork of fiscal policy that Kansas taxpayers currently face. Tax rates were lowered, but spending was not. Oil and agriculture, sectors that disproportionally affect the Kansas economy, faced a major downturn. The recommendations of outside experts to enhance government efficiency and produce massive budget savings were ignored. Then taxes were raised, and spending was increased, in a significant way. Some of the tax increases came in the form of broad-based retail sales taxes and income taxes, while others were discriminatory taxes on consumers of specific products such as cigarettes. . . .

Myth: Tax cuts created Kansas’ prolonged budget crises.

Reality: Over the years, politicians created a budget failure by refusing to match the tax cuts with meaningful spending control or broadening of the tax base. General Fund spending from 1995 through 2017 rose approximately 55 percent, adjusted for inflation, and a whopping 89 percent in current dollars. Population increased just 12 percent from 1995-2017. In other words, for every one percent in population growth, spending increased by nearly five percent in real terms. Since 2012, General Fund spending has increased by more than four percent adjusted for inflation since 2012. If General Fund spending growth had been held to the rate of inflation throughout this period, FY 2017 spending would be $1.12 billion less, dwarfing the predicted deficit. (Distinguishing Myth from Reality: The Kansas Tax Reform Effort - American Legislative Exchange Council)​

Sources for further reading:

Libs knock Trump's tax plan, but this gov proves tax cuts work

The Kansas Tax Cuts Are Not to Blame for Revenue Woes

Nothing the Matter with Kansas' Tax Policy

Debunking The Myth Of Tax Avoidance In Kansas

Despite what the media is telling you, tax cuts really do boost economic growth in the states
 
The Myth that the Kansas Tax Cuts "Failed"

Success or failure is a function of what a given action's goals are. As go the Kansas tax cuts:
  • What were the quantified/empirically measurable goals Kansas legislators and the governor stated for the cuts?
  • What is the observed empirically measured outcome/performance that can incontrovertibly be attributed to the cuts vis a vis the empirically measurable goals of the cuts? (Obviously, the measures and measurement methods used to define the goals must be the same one's used to evaluate performance.)
Determining the success or failure of the cuts is really a simple (or complex) matter of answering those two questions. So, does the content of your OP directly and quantifiably answer them? If so, I'll read it. If not, do you have the answers to those questions?
 
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Why is governments solution to every problem a tax increase and never spending cuts?

- Unemployment is down to 3.7%, the lowest in 16 years.
- The state set a record for new businesses every year since cutting income taxes.
- The small businesses the tax cuts targeted created 98% of new private sector jobs in our state.

Only government could screw that up what a bunch of stupid morons.
 
The Myth that the Kansas Tax Cuts "Failed"

Success or failure is a function of what a given action's goals are. As go the Kansas tax cuts:
  • What were the quantified/empirically measurable goals Kansas legislators and the governor stated for the cuts?
  • What is the observed empirically measured outcome/performance that can incontrovertibly be attributed to the cuts vis a vis the empirically measurable goals of the cuts? (Obviously, the measures and measurement methods used to define the goals must be the same one's used to evaluate performance.)
Determining the success or failure of the cuts is really a simple (or complex) matter of answering those two questions. So, does the content of your OP directly and quantifiably answer them? If so, I'll read it. If not, do you have the answers to those questions?

What an overloaded croc of horse shit.

Lost Dolts try so hard to use fancy wording and what they must perceive as "smart sounding" jargon in an effort to confuse those not sure. You would probably succeed as a North Korean propagandist. At the very least a polished Bernie Sanders goon.

Spew all the bullshit you like....and hope some uneducated people will suck it up.....but.....
Here's what REALLY matters.

HUMANS operate mostly on simple principles.....pleasure and pain. SIMPLE.
Taxation does not cause pleasure in any but the most sordid Socialist minds.

Taxation REMOVES the essential aspect of individuals' (and Corporate entities alike) reason for production......M-O-T-V-A-T-I-O-N based on the pleasure of increased options that having financial gains can deliver..

Government need not tax it's citizens into serfdom to operate....in fact...it's the readily available, never ending tide of peasants to tax and corporations to pilfer that has led to the monstrosity known as the Federal government in the first place.

Your stance on defending taxation is laughable, if not sad.....and in both accounts....dangerous to Constitutional freedom in the final analysis.

Pfffffft !!!

Thank you MikeGriffith for a meaningful post. I also did some research into the Kansas tax situation and found that contrary to what Socialist/Communists have been saying, the real world results have been positive.
 
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The Myth that the Kansas Tax Cuts "Failed"

Success or failure is a function of what a given action's goals are. As go the Kansas tax cuts:
  • What were the quantified/empirically measurable goals Kansas legislators and the governor stated for the cuts?
  • What is the observed empirically measured outcome/performance that can incontrovertibly be attributed to the cuts vis a vis the empirically measurable goals of the cuts? (Obviously, the measures and measurement methods used to define the goals must be the same one's used to evaluate performance.)
Determining the success or failure of the cuts is really a simple (or complex) matter of answering those two questions. So, does the content of your OP directly and quantifiably answer them? If so, I'll read it. If not, do you have the answers to those questions?

What an overloaded croc of horse shit.

Lost Dolts try so hard to use fancy wording and what they must perceive as "smart sounding" jargon in an effort to confuse those not sure. You would probably succeed as a North Korean propagandist. At the very least a polished Bernie Sanders goon.

Spew all the bullshit you like....and hope some uneducated people will suck it up.....but.....
Here's what REALLY matters.

HUMANS operate mostly on simple principles.....pleasure and pain. SIMPLE.
Taxation does not cause pleasure in any but the most sordid Socialist minds.

Taxation REMOVES the essential aspect of individuals' (and Corporate entities alike) reason for production......M-O-T-V-A-T-I-O-N based on the pleasure of increased options that having financial gains can deliver..

Government need not tax it's citizens into serfdom to operate....in fact...it's the readily available, never ending tide of peasants to tax and corporations to pilfer that has led to the monstrosity known as the Federal government in the first place.

Your stance on defending taxation is laughable, if not sad.....and in both accounts....dangerous to Constitutional freedom in the final analysis.

Pfffffft !!!

Thank you MikeGriffith for a meaningful post. I also did some research into the Kansas tax situation and found that contrary to what Socialist/Communists have been saying, the real world results have been positive.
Lost Dolts try so hard to use fancy wording

If any word in that post struck you as "fancy wording," you should revisit high school.
Your stance on defending taxation is laughable
That you need to revisit high school is further evinced by your construing that by asking the questions I did, I defended taxation. FWIW, questions that are clearly not rhetorical are sentences one uses to solicit information, not sentences one uses to make assertions. It for that reason that sentence is that is a question is called an "interrogative" sentence, whereas those used to make claims are called "declarative" sentences.

Spew all the bullshit you like....

I didn't "spew" and BS. I asked a variety of questions.

Lost Dolts try so hard to use fancy wording and what they must perceive as "smart sounding" jargon in an effort to confuse those not sure.

Seriously? With regard to any given thing one sets out to do, what is success but the achievement of a goal? What is doing things with goal as the reason for doing them but aimless activity? Anyone who is not sure about the relevance of the questions I asked has no idea of how to define goals, chose means of achieving them and measuring the results to determine whether the actions takes did indeed achieve those goals.

Note:
  • Insofar as I know you don't understand the difference between an interrogative and rhetorical question, let me be clear: the questions above are rhetorical. Most readers will know that; however, your remarks in response to post 2 show that you clearly don't recognize the difference between interrogative and rhetorical questions.

HUMANS operate mostly on simple principles.....pleasure and pain. SIMPLE.
Little gets more simple than determining the success or failure of a given action undertaken in pursuit of a goal. Either the goal was achieved as a result of the action undertaken or it was not.
 
Liberals, and even some neo-cons, have been busy spreading the myth that the Kansas tax cuts have "failed," that the tax cuts caused a huge deficit, and that the tax cuts did not lead to good economic growth. Liberals are cheering the fact that a few months ago the Kansas legislature, by a narrow vote, repealed a good chunk of Governor Sam Brownback's tax cuts. Alan Cobb gives us the other side of the story:

The state legislature’s recent decision to raise income taxes by $1.2 billion will hurt every working Kansan and small business. It will damage the long-term trajectory of our state. It will pummel pocketbooks and discourage job creators. Additionally, the retroactive nature of these regressive taxes will cause a great deal of pain, crippling our state’s economy and putting us at a competitive disadvantage.

Kansans deserve to keep more of their own money. The 2012 income tax cuts did just that. Families had more in their pockets to pay off debt, save for their children’s college or invest in a new home. Business owners were able to reinvest their earnings into their enterprise and local communities.

Kansas saw strong results. Unemployment is down to 3.7%, the lowest in 16 years. The state set a record for new businesses every year since cutting income taxes. The small businesses the tax cuts targeted created 98% of new private sector jobs in our state. Despite these strong results, many blamed our budget challenges on these cuts, ignoring the substantial downturn in global agriculture and energy markets.

Refusing to acknowledge the data, legislators pledge to fix the perceived problem of the “small business tax cut.” But when the time came to cast their votes, they voted for broad-based tax increases on all Kansas workers. Kansas will now have a higher top marginal individual income tax rate than Massachusetts. (Kansas tax cuts produced strong results)​

In a nutshell, here is what happened:

* The tax cuts were followed by good overall economic growth.

* The tax cuts were followed by five years of record business creation in Kansas.

* The tax cuts were followed by several other positive economic developments, such as a historic reduction in the child poverty rate.

* The legislature failed to eliminate politically popular exemptions and deductions, making the initial revenue drop more severe than the governor planned.

* The legislature failed to reduce spending to the level of revenue.

* Indeed, state spending increased every year except 2013, where expenditures decreased a modest 3 percent from 2012. It should therefore not come as a surprise that the state faced large budget gaps year after year.

* Eventually, rather than cut spending to the level of revenue, some newly elected moderate Republicans teamed up with the Democrats a few months ago and narrowly overrode Brownback's veto and repealed much of Brownback's tax cuts.

Jonathan Williams and Joel Griffith of the American Legislative Exchange Council:

For years, the tax and spend crowd has desperately tried to pin Kansas’ economic difficulties on tax cuts in an attempt to deter tax reformers in the other 49 states and Washington, D.C. The data indicate otherwise. While the detractors are correct that the nation does have much to learn from the Kansas tax reforms, the real lessons are far different than those misleadingly promoted by the naysayers. An overwhelming majority of the academic evidence confirms, lower taxes – especially lower tax rates on business and personal income – indeed boost economic growth. Failure to properly prioritize spending or tackle government inefficiency continues to impact Kansas finances.

Perhaps the most important complexity to keep in mind is the Kansas tax reform plan was never fully implemented as intended. Many political compromises gave us a patchwork of fiscal policy that Kansas taxpayers currently face. Tax rates were lowered, but spending was not. Oil and agriculture, sectors that disproportionally affect the Kansas economy, faced a major downturn. The recommendations of outside experts to enhance government efficiency and produce massive budget savings were ignored. Then taxes were raised, and spending was increased, in a significant way. Some of the tax increases came in the form of broad-based retail sales taxes and income taxes, while others were discriminatory taxes on consumers of specific products such as cigarettes. . . .

Myth: Tax cuts created Kansas’ prolonged budget crises.

Reality: Over the years, politicians created a budget failure by refusing to match the tax cuts with meaningful spending control or broadening of the tax base. General Fund spending from 1995 through 2017 rose approximately 55 percent, adjusted for inflation, and a whopping 89 percent in current dollars. Population increased just 12 percent from 1995-2017. In other words, for every one percent in population growth, spending increased by nearly five percent in real terms. Since 2012, General Fund spending has increased by more than four percent adjusted for inflation since 2012. If General Fund spending growth had been held to the rate of inflation throughout this period, FY 2017 spending would be $1.12 billion less, dwarfing the predicted deficit. (Distinguishing Myth from Reality: The Kansas Tax Reform Effort - American Legislative Exchange Council)​

Sources for further reading:

Libs knock Trump's tax plan, but this gov proves tax cuts work

The Kansas Tax Cuts Are Not to Blame for Revenue Woes

Nothing the Matter with Kansas' Tax Policy

Debunking The Myth Of Tax Avoidance In Kansas

Despite what the media is telling you, tax cuts really do boost economic growth in the states

I do believe that the Laffer curve is true. There is a rate of taxation where revenue is maximized. To be below or above this rate means that tax revenue would fall. You cannot just keep cutting taxes and say revenues will increase. At some point, revenues will fall.
 
I do believe that the Laffer curve is true. There is a rate of taxation where revenue is maximized. To be below or above this rate means that tax revenue would fall. You cannot just keep cutting taxes and say revenues will increase. At some point, revenues will fall.

Yes, but Kansas was nowhere near that point after the Brownback tax cuts, as the Cato Institute has pointed out. Even after the tax cuts, Kansas's overall tax burden was still at the higher end of the scale among the states.

Since 2012, Kansas state spending has increased by more than four percent AFI. If the legislature had held state spending growth to the rate of inflation since 2012, FY 2017 spending would have been $1.12 billion less, which would have nearly balanced the budget by now.

Business creation exploded in Kansas after the tax cuts ended taxes for pass-through business income. Several other economic indicators showed positive improvement after the tax cuts. But the legislature could not bring themselves to restrain spending to the level or revenue nor even merely allow spending to increase at the rate of inflation.

The lesson of Kansas is simple: Tax cuts work. When tax cuts start to work and economic growth improves, don't go on a spending spree. Keep spending level or only allow it to grow at the rate of inflation.
 
I do believe that the Laffer curve is true. There is a rate of taxation where revenue is maximized. To be below or above this rate means that tax revenue would fall. You cannot just keep cutting taxes and say revenues will increase. At some point, revenues will fall.

Yes, but Kansas was nowhere near that point after the Brownback tax cuts, as the Cato Institute has pointed out. Even after the tax cuts, Kansas's overall tax burden was still at the higher end of the scale among the states.

Since 2012, Kansas state spending has increased by more than four percent AFI. If the legislature had held state spending growth to the rate of inflation since 2012, FY 2017 spending would have been $1.12 billion less, which would have nearly balanced the budget by now.

Business creation exploded in Kansas after the tax cuts ended taxes for pass-through business income. Several other economic indicators showed positive improvement after the tax cuts. But the legislature could not bring themselves to restrain spending to the level or revenue nor even merely allow spending to increase at the rate of inflation.

The lesson of Kansas is simple: Tax cuts work. When tax cuts start to work and economic growth improves, don't go on a spending spree. Keep spending level or only allow it to grow at the rate of inflation.

If we cut taxes to zero, would we get more or less revenue?
 

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