The Myth of the Racist Republicans

[blackhawk]

I'm going to change the direction here there have been more than a few post about the KKK, slavery, and why blacks vote Democrat not Republican very well let's take a look at that. Let's start with this the unemployment rate among blacks is higher than any other ethnic group so is the poverty rate and the teenage pregnancy rate now which party is the one that supports these groups financially that gives them the basics they need to get by but nothing to get them the training they need to find employment or get out of poverty? Now then if your in one of these groups and one party is constantly telling you the other will take away everything were giving you who would they tend to vote for? Now finally you have a party with the power so that they can frighten, intimidate, and threaten other's in order to get them to do what they want in this case vote for them you know that sounds somewhat like a practice this country engaged in a long, long time ago just repackaged and given a new name.

 

[GuyPinestra]

What do you call it when a white family with a credit score of 500 applies for and receives a loan, but a black family, with the same score and stats, is refused?

All things being equal (Debt-to-income ratio, income, etc.) that would be wrong.

Are all things equal?

That was the claim of the lawsuit, that apples to apples, white customers were granted loans black customers were not.

Then the lawsuit should prevail.

Ain't justice grand?

 

[AmyNation]

So who were you quoting?

I am paraphrasing the common refrains emitting from the mouths of modern day Republicans.

The ridiculous meme the recession was caused by loans to negroes. They aren't bold enough to say "negroes", but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know exactly who they are talking about, especially when ACORN is frequently mentioned, and Obama's lawsuit against a bank in 1995, and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. It becomes very clear these bigots blame loans to negroes for the crash. They are too retarded to even notice it was a global phenomenon.


"Food stamp president".

Romney and the bigots rushing to blame the election loss on Obama giving gifts to negroes.

The slurs against "community organizer".

The steadfast refusal of the Republican Party to unequivocally refute the birther conspiracies. This more than anything signals the GOP is now more about coddling the bigots for their votes rather than standing on principles and truth. The party leaders' silence on the birther issue is actually a very loud message.

The Republican Party is so blind and so stupid it has no clue of just how unbelievably bigoted it comes across as.

Non-stop attacks on Hispanics, gays, and blacks.

And the best anyone can up with is to point at the GOP of 50 and 150 years ago?

This isn't your father's GOP, kids. You've turned it into a pile of shit.

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OK, let me spell out the problem with this topic. The constant charge of racism in our society (GOP or otherwise) has convinced many Black Americans that they will be held back from accomplishment no matter how hard they try. As a result, many do not try, thereby creating a self-fulfilling prophesy. Further, it tempts them to see racism even when it is not a factor, such as being turned down for a loan because of bad credit. I understand that maintaining a unified Black voting block is necessary to keep the "good" people in power, but is it really worth it?

what has this to do with the gop and its 'racism'?

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[Trajan]

So who were you quoting?

I am paraphrasing the common refrains emitting from the mouths of modern day Republicans.

The ridiculous meme the recession was caused by loans to negroes. They aren't bold enough to say "negroes", but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know exactly who they are talking about, especially when ACORN is frequently mentioned, and Obama's lawsuit against a bank in 1995, and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. It becomes very clear these bigots blame loans to negroes for the crash. They are too retarded to even notice it was a global phenomenon.


"Food stamp president".

Romney and the bigots rushing to blame the election loss on Obama giving gifts to negroes.

The slurs against "community organizer".

The steadfast refusal of the Republican Party to unequivocally refute the birther conspiracies. This more than anything signals the GOP is now more about coddling the bigots for their votes rather than standing on principles and truth. The party leaders' silence on the birther issue is actually a very loud message.

The Republican Party is so blind and so stupid it has no clue of just how unbelievably bigoted it comes across as.

Non-stop attacks on Hispanics, gays, and blacks.

And the best anyone can up with is to point at the GOP of 50 and 150 years ago?

This isn't your father's GOP, kids. You've turned it into a pile of shit.

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OK, let me spell out the problem with this topic. The constant charge of racism in our society (GOP or otherwise) has convinced many Black Americans that they will be held back from accomplishment no matter how hard they try. As a result, many do not try, thereby creating a self-fulfilling prophesy. Further, it tempts them to see racism even when it is not a factor, such as being turned down for a loan because of bad credit. I understand that maintaining a unified Black voting block is necessary to keep the "good" people in power, but is it really worth it?

what has this to do with the gop and its 'racism'?

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so cherry picking an example makes it what, a truism? and that doesn't tie it to the gop, its not even tangential despite his construct as a metaphor...

 

[Freewill]

Repubs oppose affirmative action so they are obviously anti-racist. Guess what that makes dems.

Didha know that the first affirmative actions taken was taken under a Republican President? I'll bet you didn't know that.

actually Kennedy watching a Coast Guard review asked on the spot why there were no blacks in the class......he instituted an investigation etc...( there was one before admitted in 55, but he washed out).

I think that affirmative action is not the same as ensuring fairness. I am not sure what Kennedy's intention was but it would seem he was interested in why blacks were not in the class, as in being excluded. That is not AA in my opinion.

 

[Rocko]

So who were you quoting?

I am paraphrasing the common refrains emitting from the mouths of modern day Republicans.

The ridiculous meme the recession was caused by loans to negroes. They aren't bold enough to say "negroes", but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know exactly who they are talking about, especially when ACORN is frequently mentioned, and Obama's lawsuit against a bank in 1995, and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. It becomes very clear these bigots blame loans to negroes for the crash. They are too retarded to even notice it was a global phenomenon.


"Food stamp president".

Romney and the bigots rushing to blame the election loss on Obama giving gifts to negroes.

The slurs against "community organizer".

The steadfast refusal of the Republican Party to unequivocally refute the birther conspiracies. This more than anything signals the GOP is now more about coddling the bigots for their votes rather than standing on principles and truth. The party leaders' silence on the birther issue is actually a very loud message.

The Republican Party is so blind and so stupid it has no clue of just how unbelievably bigoted it comes across as.

Non-stop attacks on Hispanics, gays, and blacks.

And the best anyone can up with is to point at the GOP of 50 and 150 years ago?

This isn't your father's GOP, kids. You've turned it into a pile of shit.

.

OK, let me spell out the problem with this topic. The constant charge of racism in our society (GOP or otherwise) has convinced many Black Americans that they will be held back from accomplishment no matter how hard they try. As a result, many do not try, thereby creating a self-fulfilling prophesy. Further, it tempts them to see racism even when it is not a factor, such as being turned down for a loan because of bad credit. I understand that maintaining a unified Black voting block is necessary to keep the "good" people in power, but is it really worth it?

what has this to do with the gop and its 'racism'?

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First of all, you didn't answer the question. Second of all, are you saying jwoodie is being racist?

 

[AmyNation]

I am paraphrasing the common refrains emitting from the mouths of modern day Republicans.

The ridiculous meme the recession was caused by loans to negroes. They aren't bold enough to say "negroes", but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know exactly who they are talking about, especially when ACORN is frequently mentioned, and Obama's lawsuit against a bank in 1995, and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. It becomes very clear these bigots blame loans to negroes for the crash. They are too retarded to even notice it was a global phenomenon.


"Food stamp president".

Romney and the bigots rushing to blame the election loss on Obama giving gifts to negroes.

The slurs against "community organizer".

The steadfast refusal of the Republican Party to unequivocally refute the birther conspiracies. This more than anything signals the GOP is now more about coddling the bigots for their votes rather than standing on principles and truth. The party leaders' silence on the birther issue is actually a very loud message.

The Republican Party is so blind and so stupid it has no clue of just how unbelievably bigoted it comes across as.

Non-stop attacks on Hispanics, gays, and blacks.

And the best anyone can up with is to point at the GOP of 50 and 150 years ago?

This isn't your father's GOP, kids. You've turned it into a pile of shit.

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what has this to do with the gop and its 'racism'?

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First of all you didn't answer the question. Second of all, are you saying jwoodie is being racist?

what?

 

[Rocko]

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First of all you didn't answer the question. Second of all, are you saying jwoodie is being racist?

what?

The second poster that you cited, are you saying that quote is racist?

 

[AmyNation]

First of all you didn't answer the question. Second of all, are you saying jwoodie is being racist?

what?

The second poster that you cited, are you saying that quote is racist?

No.

 

[AmyNation]

Look

G500 mentioned the lawsuit and people blaming it for the collapse.
Jwoodie said black people imagined racism when it was just bad credit

My post about the lawsuit, was direct at him.

 

[Pheonixops]

Hahaha you fucking hypocrite. This post is so full of shit. This op is rock fucking dumb. Also wrong the south has voted conservative ever since the 13 colonies were given the right to vote. He'll they fought a war to keep slavery, they had Jimenez Crowe, they had segregation, do you need me to keep going, they vote for what ever party represents them, right now, it's the GOP and it has been the GOP for 35 years.

Well, you certainly make a convincing case for the opposite stereotype, namely that self-annointed liberals are stupid, mean people. Also, a few historical notes that may have escaped you:

1. The GOP was the anti-slavery party in the Civil War, whereas the Democrats were for maintaining slavery as it existed.

2. The Democratic Party remained the party of segregation and Jim Crow laws for the next hundred years.

3. More Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

4. By any measure, the paternalistic welfare state created by the Democrats has left Black Americans worse off and more dependent than they were.

5. Racial quotas (aka AA) are demonstrably harmful to Black as well as White Americans.

I recommend that you complete your GED before entering into debates with adults.

Let's address this. At one time, the Democrats were the conservative party who had members who wanted to keep the status quo of Black subjugation and discrimination against them. The Liberal Radical Republicans who wanted to end slavery and discrimination against the Blacks were the Liberals of the time. Republicans weren't "loved" by any means in the South after the Civil War for about 105 years. The Liberal actions of JFK and LBJ pissed of the Dixiecrats (conservative white male Democrats) and created an opening for the Southern Strategy, Lee Atwater explained it pretty well here:
Atwater on the Southern Strategy

As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to political scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of the interview was printed in Lamis's book The Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater's name revealed. Bob Herbert reported on the interview in the October 6, 2005, edition of The New York Times. On November 13, 2012, The Nation magazine released the audio of the full interview.[7] James Carter IV, grandson of former president Jimmy Carter, had asked and been granted access to these tapes by the widow of the recently deceased interviewer, Mr. Lamis. Atwater talked about the Republican Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan's version of it:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "******, ******, ******." By 1968 you can't say "******" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "******, ******."[8][9]
Lee Atwater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then you have RNC chairman Ken Mehlman's apology:
"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
USATODAY.com - GOP: 'We were wrong' to play racial politics

Then RNC Chairman Steele's statement:
"For the last 40-plus years we had a "Southern Strategy" that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, "Bubba" went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton."
Right Now - Steele's 'biggest gaffe so far'

 

[Rocko]

No.

So where's the ridicules republican meme that the recession was caused by loans to Negros? And, how does the lawsuit show the GOP is racist?

I feel like we are talking about different things.

i deleted that post.

 

[Staidhup]

It puzzles me, why is it that the democrats and liberal left keep claiming the GOP and conservatives are racists. Is it for the simple fact that all those that disagree with their policies must be racists and fascists because they, those on the left, feel everyone should toe the line and accept they have all the answers and if they have conflicting views then must be extremists? So who are the extremists here, the fascists and progressive socialists, or those that espouse personal freedom?

 

[Pheonixops]

Republicans and Democrats did not switch sides

http://cache.trustedpartner.com/doc... DEMOCRATS DID NOT SWITCH SIDES ON RACISM.pdf

“These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity
these days and that's a problem for us since
they've got something now they never had
before, the political pull to back up their
uppityness. Now, we've got to do something
about this; we've got to give them a little
something, just enough to quiet them down,
not enough to make a difference.”
~~ President Lyndon B. Johnson

Revisionist history. If the Republicans are so great, why they can't even get 10% of the black vote? Even most blacks that have made it won't vote for them. WHY?

perhaps blacks are racists

Why would they vote for a party that has bigots on the radio and internet making inaccurate and insulting blanket generalizations about them?

 

[BallsBrunswick]

You know what's going to be interesting is when this current Republican trend of trying to hide their racism peters out in a week or two, the backlash of open racism from them is going to be amazing.

 

[Freewill]

You know what's going to be interesting is when this current Republican trend of trying to hide their racism peters out in a week or two, the backlash of open racism from them is going to be amazing.

And the Democrat's racism will still be cloaked in BS.

 

[Staidhup]

They vote to insure their best interest and many feel their freedom is secondary to subsistence. One must also include the liberal medias propaganda machine which has fostered the sense and belief that they can't elevate themselves without government assistance so they had better toe the line.

 

[Freewill]

All the posts by all the democrat apologists and not one showing anything like institutionalized racism in the Republican party. Institutional racism that was rampant in the Democrat party. I say was but mean is.

 

[Staidhup]

You know what's going to be interesting is when this current Republican trend of trying to hide their racism peters out in a week or two, the backlash of open racism from them is going to be amazing.

No, what's going to be interesting is when your racist ideology is disclosed. Those with the loudest voice in many cases are in fact the racists them selves.

 

[Pheonixops]

BlackGenocide.org | The Negro Project

A myth about conservatism is circulating in academia and journalism and has spread to the 2004 presidential campaign. It goes something like this: the Republican Party assembled a national majority by winning over Southern white voters; Southern white voters are racist; therefore, the GOP is racist. Sometimes the conclusion is softened, and Republicans are convicted merely of base opportunism: the GOP is the party that became willing to pander to racists. Either way, today's Republican Party—and by extension the conservative movement at its heart—supposedly has revealed something terrible about itself.

Ever since Nixon. They called it the Southern strategy. Previously liberal Republicans were on the forefront of the Civil Rights movement, but that changed in the 70s as they courted racist Democrats and drove the liberals out of the party. THAT'S history, folks. I watched it happen. I used to occasionally vote for a Republican, but that hasn't happened in a long time. It IS something terrible and something they going to have to deal with and change, if they hope to ever win a national election again. They did it again this year by alienating Hispanics. Will they ever learn? You don't create Reagan's Big Tent by demeaning vast segments of the population

As did many of us.

The intent of the Southern strategy was to break the stranglehold democrats had on Congress and state governments.

To that extent the strategy worked.

And although the GOP and conservatives are not collectively racist, nor do they pander to racism, both the party and ideology attract an inordinate number of racists.

It is therefore incumbent upon republicans and conservatives to explore the root cause of this troubling phenomenon.

William F. Buckley (limbaugh's hero) and National Review is a start. "During the American Civil War the South fought for the right to expand slavery while the North fought to preserve the Union. After the war, "conservative" meant opposition to the Radical Republicans who wanted to grant full citizenship rights to freed slaves and take political power away from the ex-Confederates."

" At the time of the American Revolution, the colonists under British rule lived under the freest government in the European world,[32] and they were fiercely determined to protect and preserve their historic rights. By the 1750s most Americans owned land and could vote in elections that controlled local government. Local and colonial taxes were low, and imperial taxes were few.[33][34][35][36]

However there was also a large and powerful element tied to the British Empire, including wealthy merchants involved in international trade, and royal officials and patronage holders. Those who remained loyal to the Crown are called Loyalists or "Tories". The Loyalists were "conservatives" in that they tried to preserve the status quo of Empire against revolutionary change. Their leaders were men of wealth and property who loved order, respected their betters, looked down on their inferiors, and feared democratic rule by the rabble at home more than rule by a distant aristocracy."

Conservatism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia