The Myth of Norway

[Charles_Main]

Denmark is another country liberals like to compare to the USA.

I was watching a show about addiction the other day and how Denmark is #1 for teens addicted to alcohol.....so much for those utopian societies of Euro trash.

Denmark, also has or had Substantial off Shore Oil and Gas Resources, and a small Population.

 

[koshergrl]

Why don't we name all these wildly successful countries?

 

[francoHFW]

So what about every other modern country that has hugely popular and cost saving universal health care, better rich/poor gap, upward mobility, happier, better educated people than we do- AND better infrastructure than we do after 30 years of Reaganist pandering to the greedy rich?

etc etc see sig. Pub dupes! Fighting to the death for their freedom to be screwed by the greedy rich.

Flights are leaving daily

Edited. We Do Not Alter the Meaning Of Quotes.

This OP based on the idiot federal income tax "argument"- too bad the Reaganist bs just means other taxes and fees have increased so much poor workers pay as much %wise as the richest= total Pubcrappe for the dupes only...

 

[hortysir]

So what about every other modern country that has hugely popular and cost saving universal health care, better rich/poor gap, upward mobility, happier, better educated people than we do- AND better infrastructure than we do after 30 years of Reaganist pandering to the greedy rich?

etc etc see sig. Pub dupes! Fighting to the death for their freedom to be screwed by the greedy rich.

Flights are leaving daily

This OP based on the idiot federal income tax "argument"- too bad the Reaganist bs just means other taxes and fees have increased so much poor workers pay as much %wise as the richest= total Pubcrappe for the dupes only...

Would you mind editing that before I report you for modifying my quote?

 

[francoHFW]

Why don't we name all these wildly successful countries?

Read something, corporate chump.

original EU, OZ, nz, japan, canada

Thanks for the depression...

 

[koshergrl]

You lose.

 

[francoHFW]

Flights are leaving daily

This OP based on the idiot federal income tax "argument"- too bad the Reaganist bs just means other taxes and fees have increased so much poor workers pay as much %wise as the richest= total Pubcrappe for the dupes only...

Would you mind editing that before I report you for modifying my quote?

To be charitable, you're an idiot. LOL

 

[hortysir]

This OP based on the idiot federal income tax "argument"- too bad the Reaganist bs just means other taxes and fees have increased so much poor workers pay as much %wise as the richest= total Pubcrappe for the dupes only...

Would you mind editing that before I report you for modifying my quote?

To be charitable, you're an idiot. LOL

I gave you plenty of time, SFB

 

[francoHFW]

You're totally fos, dupe. If anyone's changing quotes, that would be YOU. LIAR

 

[hortysir]

You're totally fos, dupe. If anyone's changing quotes, that would be YOU. LIAR

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you typed your reply, accidentally, inside of my quote tags.

That's why I gave you time to edit your post.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Liberals always point to Norway to promote their happy socialist dreams. Their "tax the rich to death" mentality is just what the liberal doctor ordered. But take a closer look and it's another liberal illusion or dear I say LIE!!!

• Norway got rich off of oil - FACT: Norway is the 5th largest export of oil in the world. FACT: They export more barrels per person than Saudi Arabia. FACT: They drill in every and any place they can find oil, including offshore and deep sea. FACT: Having a tiny population and HUGE oil supplies that you utilize (much like Qatar does), leads to a surplus in cash. FACT: It's not the tax the rich that makes Norway rich it, their exporting of oil ways.
• They have Regressive TAXATION- FACT: Norway's top 10% make 28.9% of the income but pay only 27.4% of taxes! FACT: The U.S. has the most progressive tax structure of advanced economies. FACT: in the US the top 10% make 33.5% of the income but pay 45.1% of the taxes. FACT: The middle class of Norway pay FAR MORE share of the tax burden than the US middle class.
• Cutting the Government you say - FACT: Norway spent 39.8% of GDP. FACT: U.S. was spending 39.2%, almost exactly the same. FACT: France was spending 53.3% then. FACT: Norway has been cutting the size of its government from 51.6% of GDP in 1992 to a low of 39.8% in 2008. FACT: Roughly equivalent to the US federal government of the U.S. cutting its spending in half!

Articles: The Norwegian 'Miracle'
It just so happens that Norway's success over recent decades coincided rather nicely with two explosions: North Sea oil production and oil prices.

To call Norway the Saudi Arabia of Europe would be an insult. Saudi Arabia has been producing about 125 barrels of oil per year per person. Norway produced between 135 and 250 barrels per year per person from 2001 through 2011.

Even on an absolute scale, Norway is a huge exporter of oil. In fact, it is the 5th-biggest oil exporter in the world. Bigger than Iraq. Bigger than Kuwait. And Canada. And the U.S. And Venezuela. It is behind only Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, and the UAE. And remember, its total population is about the same as Saudi Arabia's second-largest city, Jeddah.

Multiply those recent production rates by the price of oil, and you get about $6,250 per person per year in 2001, and $13,500 in 2011. Oil has been very, very good to Norway.

And where does good little liberal Norway get that oil? From drilling in the ocean. Most of its oil was drilled in the North Sea. You know, offshore, like the U.S. used to do in the Gulf of Mexico, but won't do on either the Pacific or Atlantic coasts.

Here's another one: CO2 emissions from fossil fuels. From 1990 to 2009, the U.S.'s emissions went up 6.7%. Norway's went up 31.9%.

I think of Norway as the Bono of countries. It likes to preach to the rest of us how to be good citizens of the world. In the meantime, it makes money hand-over-fist by being one of the biggest of the Big Oil gorillas. It drills for it. It drills for it in the ocean. It sells it. It owns a major oil company. It increases its carbon footprint while the rest of Europe shrinks its own.

And here's another little secret about Norway. Relatively speaking, it's not all that socialist. In 2008, all government in Norway spent 39.8% of GDP. At the same time, the "free market" U.S. was spending 39.2%, almost exactly the same. (France was spending 53.3% then.)

In fact, Norway has been cutting the size of its government: from a high of 51.6% of GDP in 1992 to a low of 39.8% in 2008. That is a huge drop, roughly equivalent to the federal government of the U.S. cutting its spending in half.

One more little tidbit: Norway's tax system is regressive, not progressive. The top 10% make 28.9% of the income but pay only 27.4% of taxes! The U.S. has the most progressive tax structure of advanced economies, in which the top 10% make 33.5% of the income but pay 45.1% of the taxes.

Liberal Norway-lovers don't like to advertise these parts of Norway's policies: slimming down its government, regressive taxes (not even flat), being part of Big Oil.

So the simple-minded story is that Norway is some great socialist state yet its economy is humming along just nicely.

Let me summarize its real keys to prosperity.

• A tiny, non-diverse, predominantly white and Christian population.
• Drilling in its ocean for oil to become one of the biggest oil exporters on the planet, and the biggest by far on a per capita basis, all during a time when oil prices quintupled.
• Letting its carbon footprint grow at one of the fastest paces in Europe, a pace almost five times faster than the U.S.'s.
• Shrinking its government spending, the equivalent to the U.S. federal government cutting its spending in half over 16 years. Shrinking its government spending to about the level of the U.S.'s, and smaller than most of Europe's.
• A tax system that is flatter than flat; it is regressive -- the rich pay less than the non-rich.

And while the U.S. government is "investing" in high-speed rail, solar energy, wind energy, etc., look at this Statoil website to see where Norway put its money. (Norway owns 67% of Statoil's stock.)

DENMARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[uscitizen]

Liberals always point to Norway to promote their happy socialist dreams. Their "tax the rich to death" mentality is just what the liberal doctor ordered. But take a closer look and it's another liberal illusion or dear I say LIE!!!

• Norway got rich off of oil - FACT: Norway is the 5th largest export of oil in the world. FACT: They export more barrels per person than Saudi Arabia. FACT: They drill in every and any place they can find oil, including offshore and deep sea. FACT: Having a tiny population and HUGE oil supplies that you utilize (much like Qatar does), leads to a surplus in cash. FACT: It's not the tax the rich that makes Norway rich it, their exporting of oil ways.
  
• They have Regressive TAXATION- FACT: Norway's top 10% make 28.9% of the income but pay only 27.4% of taxes! FACT: The U.S. has the most progressive tax structure of advanced economies. FACT: in the US the top 10% make 33.5% of the income but pay 45.1% of the taxes. FACT: The middle class of Norway pay FAR MORE share of the tax burden than the US middle class.
  
• Cutting the Government you say - FACT: Norway spent 39.8% of GDP. FACT: U.S. was spending 39.2%, almost exactly the same. FACT: France was spending 53.3% then. FACT: Norway has been cutting the size of its government from 51.6% of GDP in 1992 to a low of 39.8% in 2008. FACT: Roughly equivalent to the US federal government of the U.S. cutting its spending in half!

Articles: The Norwegian 'Miracle'
It just so happens that Norway's success over recent decades coincided rather nicely with two explosions: North Sea oil production and oil prices.

To call Norway the Saudi Arabia of Europe would be an insult. Saudi Arabia has been producing about 125 barrels of oil per year per person. Norway produced between 135 and 250 barrels per year per person from 2001 through 2011.

Even on an absolute scale, Norway is a huge exporter of oil. In fact, it is the 5th-biggest oil exporter in the world. Bigger than Iraq. Bigger than Kuwait. And Canada. And the U.S. And Venezuela. It is behind only Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, and the UAE. And remember, its total population is about the same as Saudi Arabia's second-largest city, Jeddah.

Multiply those recent production rates by the price of oil, and you get about $6,250 per person per year in 2001, and $13,500 in 2011. Oil has been very, very good to Norway.

And where does good little liberal Norway get that oil? From drilling in the ocean. Most of its oil was drilled in the North Sea. You know, offshore, like the U.S. used to do in the Gulf of Mexico, but won't do on either the Pacific or Atlantic coasts.

Here's another one: CO2 emissions from fossil fuels. From 1990 to 2009, the U.S.'s emissions went up 6.7%. Norway's went up 31.9%.

I think of Norway as the Bono of countries. It likes to preach to the rest of us how to be good citizens of the world. In the meantime, it makes money hand-over-fist by being one of the biggest of the Big Oil gorillas. It drills for it. It drills for it in the ocean. It sells it. It owns a major oil company. It increases its carbon footprint while the rest of Europe shrinks its own.

And here's another little secret about Norway. Relatively speaking, it's not all that socialist. In 2008, all government in Norway spent 39.8% of GDP. At the same time, the "free market" U.S. was spending 39.2%, almost exactly the same. (France was spending 53.3% then.)

In fact, Norway has been cutting the size of its government: from a high of 51.6% of GDP in 1992 to a low of 39.8% in 2008. That is a huge drop, roughly equivalent to the federal government of the U.S. cutting its spending in half.

One more little tidbit: Norway's tax system is regressive, not progressive. The top 10% make 28.9% of the income but pay only 27.4% of taxes! The U.S. has the most progressive tax structure of advanced economies, in which the top 10% make 33.5% of the income but pay 45.1% of the taxes.

Liberal Norway-lovers don't like to advertise these parts of Norway's policies: slimming down its government, regressive taxes (not even flat), being part of Big Oil.

So the simple-minded story is that Norway is some great socialist state yet its economy is humming along just nicely.

Let me summarize its real keys to prosperity.

• A tiny, non-diverse, predominantly white and Christian population.
• Drilling in its ocean for oil to become one of the biggest oil exporters on the planet, and the biggest by far on a per capita basis, all during a time when oil prices quintupled.
• Letting its carbon footprint grow at one of the fastest paces in Europe, a pace almost five times faster than the U.S.'s.
• Shrinking its government spending, the equivalent to the U.S. federal government cutting its spending in half over 16 years. Shrinking its government spending to about the level of the U.S.'s, and smaller than most of Europe's.
• A tax system that is flatter than flat; it is regressive -- the rich pay less than the non-rich.

And while the U.S. government is "investing" in high-speed rail, solar energy, wind energy, etc., look at this Statoil website to see where Norway put its money. (Norway owns 67% of Statoil's stock.)

so liberal Norway cut govt spending a bunch from 2000-2008. How did Bush and the republican congress do during the same time period?

 

[GHook93]

Liberals always point to Norway to promote their happy socialist dreams.

Ah, yes.....how absurd.....suggesting that CEOs (who've fucked-up).....

.....need to GO!!!!!!

What the hell does this have to do with this thread?

That's exactly why I don't read any of Mr. Shams posts!

 

[GHook93]

Liberals always point to Norway to promote their happy socialist dreams. Their "tax the rich to death" mentality is just what the liberal doctor ordered. But take a closer look and it's another liberal illusion or dear I say LIE!!!

• Norway got rich off of oil - FACT: Norway is the 5th largest export of oil in the world. FACT: They export more barrels per person than Saudi Arabia. FACT: They drill in every and any place they can find oil, including offshore and deep sea. FACT: Having a tiny population and HUGE oil supplies that you utilize (much like Qatar does), leads to a surplus in cash. FACT: It's not the tax the rich that makes Norway rich it, their exporting of oil ways.
• They have Regressive TAXATION- FACT: Norway's top 10% make 28.9% of the income but pay only 27.4% of taxes! FACT: The U.S. has the most progressive tax structure of advanced economies. FACT: in the US the top 10% make 33.5% of the income but pay 45.1% of the taxes. FACT: The middle class of Norway pay FAR MORE share of the tax burden than the US middle class.
• Cutting the Government you say - FACT: Norway spent 39.8% of GDP. FACT: U.S. was spending 39.2%, almost exactly the same. FACT: France was spending 53.3% then. FACT: Norway has been cutting the size of its government from 51.6% of GDP in 1992 to a low of 39.8% in 2008. FACT: Roughly equivalent to the US federal government of the U.S. cutting its spending in half!

Articles: The Norwegian 'Miracle'
It just so happens that Norway's success over recent decades coincided rather nicely with two explosions: North Sea oil production and oil prices.

To call Norway the Saudi Arabia of Europe would be an insult. Saudi Arabia has been producing about 125 barrels of oil per year per person. Norway produced between 135 and 250 barrels per year per person from 2001 through 2011.

Even on an absolute scale, Norway is a huge exporter of oil. In fact, it is the 5th-biggest oil exporter in the world. Bigger than Iraq. Bigger than Kuwait. And Canada. And the U.S. And Venezuela. It is behind only Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, and the UAE. And remember, its total population is about the same as Saudi Arabia's second-largest city, Jeddah.

Multiply those recent production rates by the price of oil, and you get about $6,250 per person per year in 2001, and $13,500 in 2011. Oil has been very, very good to Norway.

And where does good little liberal Norway get that oil? From drilling in the ocean. Most of its oil was drilled in the North Sea. You know, offshore, like the U.S. used to do in the Gulf of Mexico, but won't do on either the Pacific or Atlantic coasts.

Here's another one: CO2 emissions from fossil fuels. From 1990 to 2009, the U.S.'s emissions went up 6.7%. Norway's went up 31.9%.

I think of Norway as the Bono of countries. It likes to preach to the rest of us how to be good citizens of the world. In the meantime, it makes money hand-over-fist by being one of the biggest of the Big Oil gorillas. It drills for it. It drills for it in the ocean. It sells it. It owns a major oil company. It increases its carbon footprint while the rest of Europe shrinks its own.

And here's another little secret about Norway. Relatively speaking, it's not all that socialist. In 2008, all government in Norway spent 39.8% of GDP. At the same time, the "free market" U.S. was spending 39.2%, almost exactly the same. (France was spending 53.3% then.)

In fact, Norway has been cutting the size of its government: from a high of 51.6% of GDP in 1992 to a low of 39.8% in 2008. That is a huge drop, roughly equivalent to the federal government of the U.S. cutting its spending in half.

One more little tidbit: Norway's tax system is regressive, not progressive. The top 10% make 28.9% of the income but pay only 27.4% of taxes! The U.S. has the most progressive tax structure of advanced economies, in which the top 10% make 33.5% of the income but pay 45.1% of the taxes.

Liberal Norway-lovers don't like to advertise these parts of Norway's policies: slimming down its government, regressive taxes (not even flat), being part of Big Oil.

So the simple-minded story is that Norway is some great socialist state yet its economy is humming along just nicely.

Let me summarize its real keys to prosperity.

• A tiny, non-diverse, predominantly white and Christian population.
• Drilling in its ocean for oil to become one of the biggest oil exporters on the planet, and the biggest by far on a per capita basis, all during a time when oil prices quintupled.
• Letting its carbon footprint grow at one of the fastest paces in Europe, a pace almost five times faster than the U.S.'s.
• Shrinking its government spending, the equivalent to the U.S. federal government cutting its spending in half over 16 years. Shrinking its government spending to about the level of the U.S.'s, and smaller than most of Europe's.
• A tax system that is flatter than flat; it is regressive -- the rich pay less than the non-rich.

And while the U.S. government is "investing" in high-speed rail, solar energy, wind energy, etc., look at this Statoil website to see where Norway put its money. (Norway owns 67% of Statoil's stock.)

DENMARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a
​

The other utopia that's not even close to a utopia! It has nothing on America! NOTHING!

 

[GHook93]

Liberals always point to Norway to promote their happy socialist dreams. Their "tax the rich to death" mentality is just what the liberal doctor ordered. But take a closer look and it's another liberal illusion or dear I say LIE!!!

• Norway got rich off of oil - FACT: Norway is the 5th largest export of oil in the world. FACT: They export more barrels per person than Saudi Arabia. FACT: They drill in every and any place they can find oil, including offshore and deep sea. FACT: Having a tiny population and HUGE oil supplies that you utilize (much like Qatar does), leads to a surplus in cash. FACT: It's not the tax the rich that makes Norway rich it, their exporting of oil ways.
  
• They have Regressive TAXATION- FACT: Norway's top 10% make 28.9% of the income but pay only 27.4% of taxes! FACT: The U.S. has the most progressive tax structure of advanced economies. FACT: in the US the top 10% make 33.5% of the income but pay 45.1% of the taxes. FACT: The middle class of Norway pay FAR MORE share of the tax burden than the US middle class.
  
• Cutting the Government you say - FACT: Norway spent 39.8% of GDP. FACT: U.S. was spending 39.2%, almost exactly the same. FACT: France was spending 53.3% then. FACT: Norway has been cutting the size of its government from 51.6% of GDP in 1992 to a low of 39.8% in 2008. FACT: Roughly equivalent to the US federal government of the U.S. cutting its spending in half!

Articles: The Norwegian 'Miracle'
It just so happens that Norway's success over recent decades coincided rather nicely with two explosions: North Sea oil production and oil prices.

To call Norway the Saudi Arabia of Europe would be an insult. Saudi Arabia has been producing about 125 barrels of oil per year per person. Norway produced between 135 and 250 barrels per year per person from 2001 through 2011.

Even on an absolute scale, Norway is a huge exporter of oil. In fact, it is the 5th-biggest oil exporter in the world. Bigger than Iraq. Bigger than Kuwait. And Canada. And the U.S. And Venezuela. It is behind only Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, and the UAE. And remember, its total population is about the same as Saudi Arabia's second-largest city, Jeddah.

Multiply those recent production rates by the price of oil, and you get about $6,250 per person per year in 2001, and $13,500 in 2011. Oil has been very, very good to Norway.

And where does good little liberal Norway get that oil? From drilling in the ocean. Most of its oil was drilled in the North Sea. You know, offshore, like the U.S. used to do in the Gulf of Mexico, but won't do on either the Pacific or Atlantic coasts.

Here's another one: CO2 emissions from fossil fuels. From 1990 to 2009, the U.S.'s emissions went up 6.7%. Norway's went up 31.9%.

I think of Norway as the Bono of countries. It likes to preach to the rest of us how to be good citizens of the world. In the meantime, it makes money hand-over-fist by being one of the biggest of the Big Oil gorillas. It drills for it. It drills for it in the ocean. It sells it. It owns a major oil company. It increases its carbon footprint while the rest of Europe shrinks its own.

And here's another little secret about Norway. Relatively speaking, it's not all that socialist. In 2008, all government in Norway spent 39.8% of GDP. At the same time, the "free market" U.S. was spending 39.2%, almost exactly the same. (France was spending 53.3% then.)

In fact, Norway has been cutting the size of its government: from a high of 51.6% of GDP in 1992 to a low of 39.8% in 2008. That is a huge drop, roughly equivalent to the federal government of the U.S. cutting its spending in half.

One more little tidbit: Norway's tax system is regressive, not progressive. The top 10% make 28.9% of the income but pay only 27.4% of taxes! The U.S. has the most progressive tax structure of advanced economies, in which the top 10% make 33.5% of the income but pay 45.1% of the taxes.

Liberal Norway-lovers don't like to advertise these parts of Norway's policies: slimming down its government, regressive taxes (not even flat), being part of Big Oil.

So the simple-minded story is that Norway is some great socialist state yet its economy is humming along just nicely.

Let me summarize its real keys to prosperity.

• A tiny, non-diverse, predominantly white and Christian population.
• Drilling in its ocean for oil to become one of the biggest oil exporters on the planet, and the biggest by far on a per capita basis, all during a time when oil prices quintupled.
• Letting its carbon footprint grow at one of the fastest paces in Europe, a pace almost five times faster than the U.S.'s.
• Shrinking its government spending, the equivalent to the U.S. federal government cutting its spending in half over 16 years. Shrinking its government spending to about the level of the U.S.'s, and smaller than most of Europe's.
• A tax system that is flatter than flat; it is regressive -- the rich pay less than the non-rich.

And while the U.S. government is "investing" in high-speed rail, solar energy, wind energy, etc., look at this Statoil website to see where Norway put its money. (Norway owns 67% of Statoil's stock.)

so liberal Norway cut govt spending a bunch from 2000-2008. How did Bush and the republican congress do during the same time period?

Hey dead man walking, not sure how many times we have to tell you this but Bush was a conservative and didn't you notice all the faux GOP conservatives getting replaced with Tea Party conservatives?