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Smarter than you. Thats all that counts.
oh ouch, what wit, what a scathing insult, however will I recover...
You forgot to add "and eventually leave in a huff again after I make a fool of intelligent conservative and make all christians look like loons".
Now radioman, why would you want to hurt my feelings so?
oh ouch, what wit, what a scathing insult, however will I recover...
You forgot to add "and eventually leave in a huff again after I make a fool of intelligent conservative and make all christians look like loons".
To whom? To the smartest men on the planet?
"Smarter than jent" is about as much of a distinction as "faster than a sloth."
look, radioman, Kalam came up with something slowhope that didn't take too long Kalam, you might miss recess.
This is recess.
Skyline is a new movie that is set to come out some time in November of this year and has stunning undertones. The subtitle of the movie is "Don't look up" because anyone who looks up at the blue lights is abducted by the aliens. This is the exact opposite of what the Bible tells us to do...
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up
your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. (Luke 21:28)
It is also interesting looking at some of their promotional pictures because you would think it was the Rapture.
Does anyone else get the feeling that this is a response by Satan to the concept of the rapture. That he is trying to spread the lie that it is aliens abducting people when Christ comes to rapture the church and that these benevolent aliens are removing the evil Christians so that world peace can begin?
Well, they either stumbled on the storyline completely oblivious to the fact that it's the exact opposite message in the Bible, or Satan inspired it. Either way I'm sure he's applauding.
The appluase of Satan, some people would actually be happy about that.
Dr. Grump, seriously, how would you feel if you caught a glimpse of Satan applauding you?
Kalam?
radioman?
I'm not pointing fingers, I'm sure we've all done tons of stuff that gets applauded by Satan, just wondering what your reactions would be.
You forgot to add "and eventually leave in a huff again after I make a fool of intelligent conservative and make all christians look like loons".
To whom? To the smartest men on the planet?
To people with common sense.
Skyline is a new movie that is set to come out some time in November of this year and has stunning undertones. The subtitle of the movie is "Don't look up" because anyone who looks up at the blue lights is abducted by the aliens. This is the exact opposite of what the Bible tells us to do...
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up
your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. (Luke 21:28)
It is also interesting looking at some of their promotional pictures because you would think it was the Rapture.
Does anyone else get the feeling that this is a response by Satan to the concept of the rapture. That he is trying to spread the lie that it is aliens abducting people when Christ comes to rapture the church and that these benevolent aliens are removing the evil Christians so that world peace can begin?
Well, they either stumbled on the storyline completely oblivious to the fact that it's the exact opposite message in the Bible, or Satan inspired it. Either way I'm sure he's applauding.
The appluase of Satan, some people would actually be happy about that.
Dr. Grump, seriously, how would you feel if you caught a glimpse of Satan applauding you?
Kalam?
radioman?
I'm not pointing fingers, I'm sure we've all done tons of stuff that gets applauded by Satan, just wondering what your reactions would be.
You're premise starts off flawed and quickly goes into strawman territory.
Not surprising for you.
Well, they either stumbled on the storyline completely oblivious to the fact that it's the exact opposite message in the Bible, or Satan inspired it. Either way I'm sure he's applauding.
The appluase of Satan, some people would actually be happy about that.
Dr. Grump, seriously, how would you feel if you caught a glimpse of Satan applauding you?
Kalam?
radioman?
I'm not pointing fingers, I'm sure we've all done tons of stuff that gets applauded by Satan, just wondering what your reactions would be.
You're premise starts off flawed and quickly goes into strawman territory.
Not surprising for you.
Seriously? That's your answer? Why would you duck that question? I really wanna know.
You're premise starts off flawed and quickly goes into strawman territory.
Not surprising for you.
Seriously? That's your answer? Why would you duck that question? I really wanna know.
I wanna know why you still beat stray puppies.
I really wanna know the answer to that one. But don't duck the question now....
Seriously? That's your answer? Why would you duck that question? I really wanna know.
I wanna know why you still beat stray puppies.
I really wanna know the answer to that one. But don't duck the question now....
oooooooooooooooh you don't believe there is a Satan? Well just pretend, how would you feel?
I'll pretend I beat a stray puppy. There. I stopped. I didn't like it.
I wanna know why you still beat stray puppies.
I really wanna know the answer to that one. But don't duck the question now....
oooooooooooooooh you don't believe there is a Satan? Well just pretend, how would you feel?
I'll pretend I beat a stray puppy. There. I stopped. I didn't like it.
Keep throwing straw on that pile there.
Nowhere have I said I don't believe in Satan. I think it's just another example of your lack of intellect that makes you think I have.
oooooooooooooooh you don't believe there is a Satan? Well just pretend, how would you feel?
I'll pretend I beat a stray puppy. There. I stopped. I didn't like it.
Keep throwing straw on that pile there.
Nowhere have I said I don't believe in Satan. I think it's just another example of your lack of intellect that makes you think I have.
I was just trying to follow your premise.
You're premise starts off flawed and quickly goes into strawman territory.
Not surprising for you.
Seriously? That's your answer? Why would you duck that question? I really wanna know.
I wanna know why you still beat stray puppies.
I really wanna know the answer to that one. But don't duck the question now....
Seriously? That's your answer? Why would you duck that question? I really wanna know.
I wanna know why you still beat stray puppies.
I really wanna know the answer to that one. But don't duck the question now....
You made that up.
On the other hand, I didn't make up Satan but tried to follow your comparison, which would mean something was mixed in that was made up. The only other thing I wrote that could be construed as made up is that you've ever done anything Satan would applaud at?
Lol, are you serious? You have never done anything wrong?
I wanna know why you still beat stray puppies.
I really wanna know the answer to that one. But don't duck the question now....
You made that up.
On the other hand, I didn't make up Satan but tried to follow your comparison, which would mean something was mixed in that was made up. The only other thing I wrote that could be construed as made up is that you've ever done anything Satan would applaud at?
Lol, are you serious? You have never done anything wrong?
The part you made up was Satan applauding a silly sci-fi movie.
You made that up.
On the other hand, I didn't make up Satan but tried to follow your comparison, which would mean something was mixed in that was made up. The only other thing I wrote that could be construed as made up is that you've ever done anything Satan would applaud at?
Lol, are you serious? You have never done anything wrong?
The part you made up was Satan applauding a silly sci-fi movie.
My question was: if you caught a glimpse of Satan applauding something you did, how would you react?
The concept of the rapture, in connection with premillennialism, was expressed by the American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. They held to the idea that believers would be caught up in the air, followed by judgments on the earth and then the millennium.[13][14] The term rapture was used by Philip Doddridge (1738) and John Gill (1748) in their New Testament commentaries, with the idea that believers would be caught up prior to judgment on the earth and Jesus' Second Coming. The concept of a pre-tribulation rapture was articulated by Baptist Morgan Edwards in an essay published in 1788 in Philadelphia.[15]
Although not using the term rapture, the idea was more fully developed by Scottish minister, Edward Irving (17921834). In 1825[16] Irving directed his attention to the study of prophecy and eventually accepted the one-man Antichrist idea of James Henthorn Todd, Samuel Roffey Maitland, Robert Bellarmine, and Francisco Ribera, yet he went a step further. Irving began to teach the idea of a two-phase return of Christ, the first phase being a secret rapture prior to the rise of the Antichrist. According to Irving, There are three gatherings: First, of the first-fruits of the harvest, the wise virgins who follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth; next, the abundant harvest gathered afterwards by God; and lastly, the assembling of the wicked for punishment.[17] (Where Irving got this idea is a matter of much dispute.)
Dr. Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, a respected theologian and biblical scholar, who lived during the rapid growth in popularity of the "secret rapture" teaching, wrote a pamphlet[18] which traces the concept of rapture through John N. Darby back to Edward Irving.
John Nelson Darby, considered the father of dispensationalism, first proposed the pre-tribulation rapture in 1827.[19] This view was accepted among many other Plymouth Brethren in England. Darby and other prominent Brethren were part of the Brethren Movement which impacted American Christianity, primarily through their writings. Influences included the Bible Conference Movement, starting in 1878 with the Niagara Bible Conference. These conferences, which were initially inclusive of historicist and futurist premillennialism, led to an increasing acceptance of futurist premillennial views and the pre-tribulation rapture especially among Presbyterian, Baptist and Congregational members.[20] Popular books also contributed to acceptance of the pre-tribulation rapture, including William Eugene Blackstone's book Jesus is Coming published in 1878 and which sold more than 1.3 million copies, and the Scofield Reference Bible, published in 1909 and 1919 and revised in 1967.
The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox churches, the Anglican Communion, as well as most Protestant Calvinist denominations have no tradition of a preliminary return of Christ and reject the doctrine, in part because they cannot find any reference to it among any of the early Church fathers and find its biblical foundation weak, and because of their rejection of the 19th-century concept of dispensationalism.[21] Some also reject it because they interpret prophetic scriptures in either an amillennial or postmillennial fashion.
Proponents of a preliminary rapture believe the doctrine of amillennialism originated with Alexandrian scholars such as Clement and Origen[22] and was later brought wholly into Roman Catholic dogma by Augustine.[23] Thus, the church until then held to premillennial views, which see an impending apocalypse from which the church will be rescued after being raptured by the Lord. This is even extrapolated by some to mean that the early church espoused pre-tribulationism.[citation needed]
Some Pre-Tribulation proponents maintain that the earliest known extra-Biblical reference to the "Pre-Tribulation" rapture is from a sermon attributed to the fourth-century Church Father Ephraem the Syrian, which says, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."[24][25] However, the interpretation of this writing, as supporting Pre-Tribulation rapture, is debated.[citation needed][26]
There exist at least one 18th century and two 19th century Pre-Tribulation references, in a book published in 1788, in the writings of a Catholic priest Emmanuel Lacunza[27] in 1812, and by John Nelson Darby himself in 1827.[28] However, both the book published in 1788 and the writings of Lacunza have opposing views regarding their interpretations.
The rise in belief in the "Pre-Tribulation" rapture is often wrongly attributed to a 15-year old Scottish-Irish girl named Margaret McDonald (a follower of Edward Irving), who in 1830 had a vision of the end times which describes a post-tribulation view of the Rapture that was first published in 1840. It was published again in 1861 but two important sentences demonstrating post-tribulation were removed to encourage confusion concerning the timing of the Rapture. The two removed sentences were, "This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus" and "The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept".[29]
The popularization of the term is associated with the teaching of John Nelson Darby, prominent among the Plymouth Brethren, and the rise of premillennialism and dispensationalism in English-speaking churches at the end of the 19th century. In 1908, the doctrine of the rapture was further popularized by an evangelist named William Eugene Blackstone, whose book, Jesus is Coming, sold more than one million copies. The first known theological use of the word "rapture" in print occurs with the Scofield Reference Bible of 1909.[30]
In 1957, John Walvoord, a theologian at Dallas Theological Seminary, authored a book,The Rapture Question, that gave theological support to the Pre-Tribulation rapture; this book eventually sold over 65,000 copies. In 1958, J. Dwight Pentecost authored another book supporting the Pre-Tribulation rapture, Things to Come: A Study in Biblical Eschatology, which sold 215,000 copies.
During the 1970s, the rapture became popular in wider circles, in part due to the books of Hal Lindsey, including The Late Great Planet Earth, which has reportedly sold between 15 million and 35 million copies, and by the movie A Thief in the Night, which based its title on the scriptural reference 1 Thessalonians 5:2.[31] Lindsey proclaimed that the rapture was imminent, based on world conditions at the time. The Cold War and the European Economic Community figured prominently in his predictions of impending Armageddon. Other aspects of 1970s global politics were seen as having been predicted in the Bible. Lindsey suggested, for example, that the seven-headed beast with ten horns, cited in the Book of Revelation, was the European Economic Community, a forebear of the European Union, which at the time aspired to ten nations; it now has 27 member states.
In 1995, the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation rapture was further popularized by Tim LaHaye's Left Behind book series, which sold tens of millions of copies and was made into several movies.
The doctrine of the rapture continues to be an important component in American fundamentalist Christian eschatology.
You Christians DO realize that the Rapture is a recent story that has gained the status of myth, right?
The concept of the rapture, in connection with premillennialism, was expressed by the American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. They held to the idea that believers would be caught up in the air, followed by judgments on the earth and then the millennium.[13][14] The term rapture was used by Philip Doddridge (1738) and John Gill (1748) in their New Testament commentaries, with the idea that believers would be caught up prior to judgment on the earth and Jesus' Second Coming. The concept of a pre-tribulation rapture was articulated by Baptist Morgan Edwards in an essay published in 1788 in Philadelphia.[15]
Although not using the term rapture, the idea was more fully developed by Scottish minister, Edward Irving (17921834). In 1825[16] Irving directed his attention to the study of prophecy and eventually accepted the one-man Antichrist idea of James Henthorn Todd, Samuel Roffey Maitland, Robert Bellarmine, and Francisco Ribera, yet he went a step further. Irving began to teach the idea of a two-phase return of Christ, the first phase being a secret rapture prior to the rise of the Antichrist. According to Irving, There are three gatherings: First, of the first-fruits of the harvest, the wise virgins who follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth; next, the abundant harvest gathered afterwards by God; and lastly, the assembling of the wicked for punishment.[17] (Where Irving got this idea is a matter of much dispute.)
Dr. Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, a respected theologian and biblical scholar, who lived during the rapid growth in popularity of the "secret rapture" teaching, wrote a pamphlet[18] which traces the concept of rapture through John N. Darby back to Edward Irving.
John Nelson Darby, considered the father of dispensationalism, first proposed the pre-tribulation rapture in 1827.[19] This view was accepted among many other Plymouth Brethren in England. Darby and other prominent Brethren were part of the Brethren Movement which impacted American Christianity, primarily through their writings. Influences included the Bible Conference Movement, starting in 1878 with the Niagara Bible Conference. These conferences, which were initially inclusive of historicist and futurist premillennialism, led to an increasing acceptance of futurist premillennial views and the pre-tribulation rapture especially among Presbyterian, Baptist and Congregational members.[20] Popular books also contributed to acceptance of the pre-tribulation rapture, including William Eugene Blackstone's book Jesus is Coming published in 1878 and which sold more than 1.3 million copies, and the Scofield Reference Bible, published in 1909 and 1919 and revised in 1967.
The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox churches, the Anglican Communion, as well as most Protestant Calvinist denominations have no tradition of a preliminary return of Christ and reject the doctrine, in part because they cannot find any reference to it among any of the early Church fathers and find its biblical foundation weak, and because of their rejection of the 19th-century concept of dispensationalism.[21] Some also reject it because they interpret prophetic scriptures in either an amillennial or postmillennial fashion.
Proponents of a preliminary rapture believe the doctrine of amillennialism originated with Alexandrian scholars such as Clement and Origen[22] and was later brought wholly into Roman Catholic dogma by Augustine.[23] Thus, the church until then held to premillennial views, which see an impending apocalypse from which the church will be rescued after being raptured by the Lord. This is even extrapolated by some to mean that the early church espoused pre-tribulationism.[citation needed]
Some Pre-Tribulation proponents maintain that the earliest known extra-Biblical reference to the "Pre-Tribulation" rapture is from a sermon attributed to the fourth-century Church Father Ephraem the Syrian, which says, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."[24][25] However, the interpretation of this writing, as supporting Pre-Tribulation rapture, is debated.[citation needed][26]
There exist at least one 18th century and two 19th century Pre-Tribulation references, in a book published in 1788, in the writings of a Catholic priest Emmanuel Lacunza[27] in 1812, and by John Nelson Darby himself in 1827.[28] However, both the book published in 1788 and the writings of Lacunza have opposing views regarding their interpretations.
The rise in belief in the "Pre-Tribulation" rapture is often wrongly attributed to a 15-year old Scottish-Irish girl named Margaret McDonald (a follower of Edward Irving), who in 1830 had a vision of the end times which describes a post-tribulation view of the Rapture that was first published in 1840. It was published again in 1861 but two important sentences demonstrating post-tribulation were removed to encourage confusion concerning the timing of the Rapture. The two removed sentences were, "This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus" and "The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept".[29]
The popularization of the term is associated with the teaching of John Nelson Darby, prominent among the Plymouth Brethren, and the rise of premillennialism and dispensationalism in English-speaking churches at the end of the 19th century. In 1908, the doctrine of the rapture was further popularized by an evangelist named William Eugene Blackstone, whose book, Jesus is Coming, sold more than one million copies. The first known theological use of the word "rapture" in print occurs with the Scofield Reference Bible of 1909.[30]
In 1957, John Walvoord, a theologian at Dallas Theological Seminary, authored a book,The Rapture Question, that gave theological support to the Pre-Tribulation rapture; this book eventually sold over 65,000 copies. In 1958, J. Dwight Pentecost authored another book supporting the Pre-Tribulation rapture, Things to Come: A Study in Biblical Eschatology, which sold 215,000 copies.
During the 1970s, the rapture became popular in wider circles, in part due to the books of Hal Lindsey, including The Late Great Planet Earth, which has reportedly sold between 15 million and 35 million copies, and by the movie A Thief in the Night, which based its title on the scriptural reference 1 Thessalonians 5:2.[31] Lindsey proclaimed that the rapture was imminent, based on world conditions at the time. The Cold War and the European Economic Community figured prominently in his predictions of impending Armageddon. Other aspects of 1970s global politics were seen as having been predicted in the Bible. Lindsey suggested, for example, that the seven-headed beast with ten horns, cited in the Book of Revelation, was the European Economic Community, a forebear of the European Union, which at the time aspired to ten nations; it now has 27 member states.
In 1995, the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation rapture was further popularized by Tim LaHaye's Left Behind book series, which sold tens of millions of copies and was made into several movies.
The doctrine of the rapture continues to be an important component in American fundamentalist Christian eschatology.
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However........if you go back to the original manuscript (the Torah, which is where all the Christians got their start), you'd find that there will come a time when God will decide that evil is no longer necessary, and will be winked out of existence.
Now......you've got a Puritan who is working from an incomplete copy of the Bible (the OT was HEAVILY edited in the KJV), and he probably missed a few things.
The main of which would be that the good people are going to be left here, and the bad (evil) people are going to be winked out of existence.
How else do you think that Heaven is going to come to Earth?
The part you made up was Satan applauding a silly sci-fi movie.
My question was: if you caught a glimpse of Satan applauding something you did, how would you react?
Based upon the premise that Satan was applauding this movie.
I reject the foundation of the question, therefore I have no choice but to reject the question.
If you care to reword it, and divorce it from the movie, be my guest.
You Christians DO realize that the Rapture is a recent story that has gained the status of myth, right?
However........if you go back to the original manuscript (the Torah, which is where all the Christians got their start), you'd find that there will come a time when God will decide that evil is no longer necessary, and will be winked out of existence.
