The Most Egregious Lie told by Gun Control Advocates

[The2ndAmendment]

Hitler mobilized his whole country, so who was left to worry about having a gun? There were women and some old men. Why would Hitler even care if they had guns, when he's surrounded by people who do? It wasn't like Hitler needed to force obedience out of the German people. If he wanted the guns rounded up, they would have been.

What in the world are you talking about? Are you really saying that you believe Hitler did not disarm the Jews???

They chose to forget that unfortunate bit of history. We're supposed to believe that all people could protect themselves from harm under Hitler's rule. Of course, many are wanting to deny the Holocaust happened. For now, the left just doesn't talk about it because it makes Hitler look bad.


In history, those who were disarmed were murdered by governments. Yup, that's all you need to remember and that history repeats itself.

Libtards examine evidence?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Because Salon.com released a massive article about how great the Obamcare rollout has been:

Bump

 

[Edgetho]

This lie, perpetrated by Salon.com really takes the cake:

Was Hitler Really Anti-Gun Control? ? The Libertarian Standard

In my opinion, when the article is read carefully, it actually makes the case AGAINST gun control, not for Gun control.

Hitler?s gun control lie debunked - Little Rock gun rights | Examiner.com

Hitler mobilized his whole country, so who was left to worry about having a gun? There were women and some old men. Why would Hitler even care if they had guns, when he's surrounded by people who do? It wasn't like Hitler needed to force obedience out of the German people. If he wanted the guns rounded up, they would have been.

This....

English translation

Led to this...

Never underestimate the sickness and depravity of the socialist mind.

Never.

Remember Bill Ayers' (political mentor of your president, the scumbag obama) group saying that they might have to eliminate 25,000,000 (Twenty-Five-Million) Americans once they took over the Country?

If not, I can easily find the quote for you from an FBI Agent. Who is also curious about some things.

Remarks of Larry Grathwohl

Remarks of Larry Grathwohl, former FBI informant in the Weather Underground, at America’s Survival, Inc., “Justice for Victims of Terrorism” conference, March 12, 2009.

One of the issues in Washington, D.C. for President Barack Obama is what to do with the terrorists being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, after he issued an executive order to close the detention facility. The question we want answered is why terrorists close to him politically have escaped justice for the 1970 bombing of the Park Police Station in San Francisco. We believe the Department of Justice should make available all the evidence in this case to local authorities and law enforcement officials.

I was in the Weather Underground as an informant/infiltrator for the FBI. I have testified, spoken, and written about the involvement of Weather Underground terrorist leaders Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn in that bombing. That bombing on February 16, 1970, took the life of Sergeant Brian V. McDonnell. There is no statute of limitations on murder.

You will never get my guns. Never

 

[Hoffstra]

Hitler loosened gun regulations on ALL citizens of Germany, including close to 100,000 1/2 and 1/4 Jews.

He took a big risk, as these loosened gun laws could have been used to arm a revolution against him.

 

[Edgetho]

Hitler loosened gun regulations on ALL citizens of Germany, including close to 100,000 1/2 and 1/4 Jews.

He took a big risk, as these loosened gun laws could have been used to arm a revolution against him.

And what's your point?

The people who needed protection the most were deprived of the right to own weapons of any kind.

As to the 'big risk' part, that is speculative and not even worth consideration

 

[candycorn]

We have cities that are comparable to the murder rates of other countries.

The article continues:

The pattern is staggering. A number of U.S. cities have gun homicide rates in line with the most deadly nations in the world.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

Detroit's gun homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).

Baltimore's rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).

Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).

Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).

Atlanta's rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).

Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).

Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).

Houston's rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador's (12.7).

Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).

Phoenix's rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).

Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).

Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).

New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).

Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia respectively.

Austin...the capitol of the reddest state in the union... Surely the old "Gun control laws cause gun violence" BS doesn't apply in Austin, Houston, Phoenix, Dallas etc... does it?

 

[Hoffstra]

Hitler loosened gun regulations on ALL citizens of Germany, including close to 100,000 1/2 and 1/4 Jews.

He took a big risk, as these loosened gun laws could have been used to arm a revolution against him.

And what's your point?..

what's my point?

the OP is false. The Nazis did indeed loosen gun laws for German citizens.

permits were no longer needed for long guns.

handgun permits were extended by years.

The Weimar Republic had stronger gun laws than the Nazis.

 

[Hoffstra]

NYC has very strong gun laws and one of the lowest murder and crime rates of any big city.

Britain banned handguns in 1996 and since then, murder and crime is at a 30 year low.

 

[Edgetho]

We have cities that are comparable to the murder rates of other countries.

The article continues:

The pattern is staggering. A number of U.S. cities have gun homicide rates in line with the most deadly nations in the world.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

Detroit's gun homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).

Baltimore's rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).

Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).

Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).

Atlanta's rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).

Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).

Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).

Houston's rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador's (12.7).

Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).

Phoenix's rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).

Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).

Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).

New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).

Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia respectively.

Austin...the capitol of the reddest state in the union... Surely the old "Gun control laws cause gun violence" BS doesn't apply in Austin, Houston, Phoenix, Dallas etc... does it?

And what's your point, candy?

Seriously. Honest to God, what the hell is your point?

If Cops and Courts would enforce current laws, there wouldn't be as many (or any) murders?

Or is murder not illegal and we need more laws to stop it?

How many of these gun murders were carried out by people LEGALLY carrying a LEGAL gun?

How many?

1%..... 2%........

How many?

The rest are carried out by illegal scumbags using illegally acquired guns to ilegally murder people.

And this is where I get in trouble because you have no clue what I think of you right now....

You're just lying, you're just pretending to be reasonable.

You're not. You're a dimocrap and therefore a liar.

What you want is confiscation.

Why don't you come out and admit it. At least, for the first time your miserable excuse for a life, you'd be honest about something.

THAT is what you want. You want confiscation.

Any other claim and you're just lying.

 

[candycorn]

We have cities that are comparable to the murder rates of other countries.

The article continues:

The pattern is staggering. A number of U.S. cities have gun homicide rates in line with the most deadly nations in the world.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

Detroit's gun homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).

Baltimore's rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).

Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).

Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).

Atlanta's rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).

Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).

Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).

Houston's rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador's (12.7).

Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).

Phoenix's rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).

Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).

Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).

New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).

Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia respectively.

Austin...the capitol of the reddest state in the union... Surely the old "Gun control laws cause gun violence" BS doesn't apply in Austin, Houston, Phoenix, Dallas etc... does it?

And what's your point, candy?
Seriously. Honest to God, what the hell is your point?
If Cops and Courts would enforce current laws, there wouldn't be as many (or any) murders?
Or is murder not illegal and we need more laws to stop it?
How many of these gun murders were carried out by people LEGALLY carrying a LEGAL gun?
How many?
1%..... 2%........
How many?
The rest are carried out by illegal scumbags using illegally acquired guns to ilegally murder people.
And this is where I get in trouble because you have no clue what I think of you right now....
You're just lying, you're just pretending to be reasonable.
You're not. You're a dimocrap and therefore a liar.
What you want is confiscation.
Why don't you come out and admit it. At least, for the first time your miserable excuse for a life, you'd be honest about something.
THAT is what you want. You want confiscation.
Any other claim and you're just lying.

You're making my point for me; you dry up the supply through price increases and the number that falls into the hands of the scumbags falls. The reason someone is robbing you isn't because they have a 401k, Roth IRA and disposable income...it's because they are either poor and want to take a shortcut to get more money or stuff they can sell for more money, they have a personal beef with you, or they are mentally ill. You dry up the supply and the price goes up due to supply and demand.

The last thing I want to do is confiscate guns. Despite your idiotic talking points response, your juvenile refusal to spell "democrat" (of which I'm not by the way) correctly, and your assinine one-sentence-per-paragraph silly diatribe, you are probably a responsible gun owner. I'll say that for most on this board. Good for you.

However, there are a lot of irresponsible ones as well. Unfortunately the only way to get the guns out of the hands of people like this is to dry up the supply. You do that in our system by raising prices or amending the law. The law isn't going anywhere; right? So you raise the price and make it as uncomfortable as possible. I'm a responsible driver but I have to carry liability insurance just like the guy with 3 speeding tickets a day. We should do the same for guns. Another way would be to force the manufacturers to put a bond on each weapon thus driving the price upward.

You do that and the guy intent on doing you harm has to employ other methods that don't come with a body count so easily attained.

 

[Edgetho]

Hitler mobilized his whole country, so who was left to worry about having a gun? There were women and some old men. Why would Hitler even care if they had guns, when he's surrounded by people who do? It wasn't like Hitler needed to force obedience out of the German people. If he wanted the guns rounded up, they would have been.

What in the world are you talking about? Are you really saying that you believe Hitler did not disarm the Jews???

No, the Jews were carrying their guns to the gas chamber, because Hitler wanted to give them a fair chance.

Try to focus on disarming the populace, fool! Why would Hitler give a damn if the populace had weapons? There was nothing but old men, women and kids left. I think the Nazis could handle that.

Where do you think this focus on Hitler originates? It involves the stupid idea that National Socialism is socialist, because some right-wing idiot claimed it was to distance themselves from fascism. Let's ignore the historical fact that socialists and communists all over Europe went to Spain to fight against fascism, because right-winger are too fucking dumb to think. They'll always bite something stupid and take it hook, line and sinker.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Hitler loosened gun regulations on ALL citizens of Germany, including close to 100,000 1/2 and 1/4 Jews.

He took a big risk, as these loosened gun laws could have been used to arm a revolution against him.

[MENTION=44947]Hoffstra[/MENTION]

Wait, are you claiming that Jews were allowed to own firearms?

 

[Hoffstra]

Hitler loosened gun regulations on ALL citizens of Germany, including close to 100,000 1/2 and 1/4 Jews.

He took a big risk, as these loosened gun laws could have been used to arm a revolution against him.

[MENTION=44947]Hoffstra[/MENTION]

Wait, are you claiming that Jews were allowed to own firearms?

I claimed exactly what I meant to claim.

close to 100,000 1/2 Jews and 1/4 Jews were Reich citizens and therefore allowed to own firearms.

this even includes some possibly full Jews, who were given Certificates of Aryan Blood by Hitler himself.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Hitler loosened gun regulations on ALL citizens of Germany, including close to 100,000 1/2 and 1/4 Jews.

He took a big risk, as these loosened gun laws could have been used to arm a revolution against him.

[MENTION=44947]Hoffstra[/MENTION]

Wait, are you claiming that Jews were allowed to own firearms?

I claimed exactly what I meant to claim.

close to 100,000 1/2 Jews and 1/4 Jews were Reich citizens and therefore allowed to own firearms.

this even includes some possibly full Jews, who were given Certificates of Aryan Blood by Hitler himself.

So all those millions in the concentration camps were permitted to keep and bear arms?

Were those millions of Jews in the ghettos prior to concentration camps also permitted to keep and bear arms?

 

[Hoffstra]

So all those millions in the concentration camps were permitted to keep and bear arms?

don't read too good, huh?

I said close to 100,000 1/2 Jews and 1/4 Jews, who were German citizens.

They include Luftwaffe General Erhard Milche, who was likely 100% Jewish.

These people were 1st and 2nd Degree Mischlinge.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

so all those millions in the concentration camps were permitted to keep and bear arms?

don't read too good, huh?

I said close to 100,000 1/2 jews and 1/4 jews, who were german citizens.

They include luftwaffe general erhard milche, who was likely 100% jewish.

These people were 1st and 2nd degree mischlinge.

xxxxxxx

 

[Hoffstra]

The Nazis loosened gun laws for all German citizens, including close to 100,000 1st Degree and 2nd Degree Mischlinge, who were 1/2 and 1/4 Jews.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

So, let me make sure I've got this straight.

The MOST EGREGIOUS LIE you're talking about is people not accepting the "Hitler disarmed" meme?

 

[Edgetho]

The Nazis loosened gun laws for all German citizens, including close to 100,000 1st Degree and 2nd Degree Mischlinge, who were 1/2 and 1/4 Jews.

I asked you once before.... So what?

They took guns from the people they meant to destroy -- Jews.

It's fine to leave guns in the hands of allies and those too gutless to use them but they took them from the people who needed them most.... Jews.

Dictators all think alike...

The PJ Tatler » Is it Really Fair to Link Gun Control Advocates to Notorious Dictators?

The Obama administration has greeted the response to president’s threat of an executive order to bypass Congress and implement gun control measures as reminiscent of dictators, as hysteria.

But such comparisons are not easy to dismiss. Lenin stated “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.” Stalin, his successor declared, “If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.” When the Kulaks refused, Stalin instituted his own “executive order,” and they were helpless as the state mowed them down.


But this disarming of the population was not exclusive to the Russians. Mao Tze Tung declared “All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.” Fidel Castro sounds eerily like those Americans who state that automatic and semi-automatic weapons are of no use for hunting nor defending their home when he says,”Guns, for what?” in response to the populace’s resistance to his gun control policies.

For those who think it hysterical to even dare to compare these sentiments with liberals, they should consider what has been said. Dianne Feinstein, stated in 1995, years before Newton: “If I could have banned them all – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!” Then-President Clinton, who would send armed federal troops into the unarmed home of those sheltering Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez, stated in 1993, “We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.” Attorney General Janet Reno, who would send in black helicopters at the Koresh compound in Waco, Texas, subscribed to a step by step process (to be fair, something Stalin did not do) and was quite clear in her ultimate objective when she said, “Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.”

 

[Hoffstra]

I asked you once before.... So what?

They took guns from the people they meant to destroy -- Jews.

It's fine to leave guns in the hands of allies and those too gutless to use them but they took them from the people who needed them most.... Jews...

they left guns in the hands of close to possibly 100,000 people who had Jewish relatives and loved-ones.

let alone millions of other Germans who could have used these weapons to stage an anti-Nazi revolution.

many Germans voted against the Nazis in 1933.

Hitler took a HUGE risk by loosening gun laws.