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Bullypulpit said:Sorry, it can't exist outside the womb...It's not a living being.
rtwngAvngr said:Yet it is still alive. I was referring to infants which cannot survive outside the womb yet have a heart beat. Your assertion they're not alive is intellectually dishonest and downright evil.
Bullypulpit said:I fail to agree with your view, thus I am evil. This discussion is about a fertilized egg which has yet to implant in the uterus, yet you turn it into a fetus with a heartbeat. Your own intellectual dishonesty is showing.
And if in utero, it is not an "infant", it is a fetus.
rtwngAvngr said:Yes, deemed unconstitutional through a misreading of the constitution. Admit it. Your unwillingness to be honest on this issue will keep you in the usmb doghouse in perpetuity.
rtwngAvngr said:No. You're evil because you deny human life where it obviously exists.
pegwinn said:A few questions from an ignorant Texan.
First: Since when is contraception an emergency? Honestly it sounds like it should be called "Oh my god what the hell did I do?" conception.
Second: Am I the only one who clearly sees this as just a less invasive form of abortion? Maybe I missed it in the posts as the arguments heated up about RvW (again). I did see the abject dismissal at the beginning of page one. I summarily dismissed it as well.
Bullypulpit said:As was stated in an earlier post by Mr. P, where there is no pregnancy...there is no abortion. And, regular contraception does fail on a regular basis so a means must be available to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, and possible abortion later on.
As for your self-admitted ignorance...Admitting you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery.
Which is exactly what a condom does most of the time..right? This pill prevents a pregnancy. Same thing.pegwinn said:Seems the point of contraception is to prevent the process. This pill sounds like something taking place after the fact. Ergo, aborting the process.
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Mr. P said:Which is exactly what a condom does most of the time..right? This pill prevents a pregnancy. Same thing.
pegwinn said:Traditional birth control pills "prevent" contraception just like condoms. As I understand it this pill is taken after the fact. If the chain of events leading to pregnancy is broken, isn't that a medicinal aborting of the process?
Believe it or not, I am not looking to fight someone. Unless I am missing something, this process is designed as a last ditch effort to terminate a pregnancy after the act. There is no preventative here.
Bullypulpit said:Your arguments against emergency contraception are meritless so you resort to these puerile attacks. Dismissed.
Their claim that life begins at conception has no scientific or rational merit and may be dismissed.
rtwngAvngr said:If you were rational, you would realize the statement below is the only piece of the article I criticized.
Dead things don't grow and increase cell mass and complexity until they're full blown humans. Ergo, IT'S ALIVE.
Bullypulpit said:A fertilized egg is an undifferentiated mass of cells, not a living entity. It only has the potential to become a living entity which may or may not be realized, but it is not a living entity.
rtwngAvngr said:It IS living. Dead things don't grow. You're not really this dense; you've just been brainwashed. Throw off the yoke of leftist correctness and think for yourself for once.
Bullypulpit said:I could make a similar argument that you've drunk too deeply of the right-wing kool-aid. And the definition of life is still fought out by minds far better than ours.
And while a fertilized egg has the potential for producing life, until it has implanted in the uterus it cannot express that potential. If it fails to implant, there is no human life lost.
Bullypulpit said:A fertilized egg is an undifferentiated mass of cells, not a living entity. It only has the potential to become a living entity which may or may not be realized, but it is not a living entity.
Bullypulpit said:If you read Roe v. Wade, it states the following:
<blockquote>For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician. </blockquote>
This is when the vast majority of abortions occur...early in the first trimester when a woman first finds that she is pregnant. Emergency contraception, available over-the-counter and taken within 72 hours of intercourse would drastically reduce the number of such abortions. In fact, 88% of legal abortions occur within the first 12 weeks with only 1.5% after 20 weeks.(<i>Source:</i> <a href=http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/abortion/fact-abortion-first-trimestert.xml>Planned Parenthood</a>)
Roe v. Wade goes on to state that:
<blockquote> For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health.
For the stage subsequent to viability the State, in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life, may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.</blockquote>
In other words, after the first trimester, the state may regulate abortions and limit them to abortions performed where the health of the mother would be at risk if the pregnancy is carried to term, or in cases of rape and incest. And I have no problem with this so long as the issues which may delay a first trimester abortion are taken into account.
Key to preventing unwanted pregnancies is solid, fact based sex-education, understanding and availability of contraception and fast, reliable access to emergency contraception in the event of the failure of the primary means of contraception or failure to use contraception.
Preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus is little different than preventing fertilization of the egg through the use of condoms or spermicides. There is no rational basis to prevent the over-the counter sales of emergency contraceptives such as Plan-B.