The Miracle of Freedom.....

[yiostheoy]

.....The Provenance of Our Rights

On this anniversary, June 15th......1215



1. Among a number of significant differences between the Left, and the correct side, the Right, is the origin of the rights found in our memorializing documents.
Many of us have seen the Leftists claim that government gives us any rights, and can withdraw same at will...

Under that illusion, Barack Obama actually placed a lawyer on the Supreme Court who has written that freedom of speech can be abridged if the government so wills it.

We on the right, defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and who recognize the individual as the most important element of society, understand that our rights are God-given, and government serves simply as protectors of those rights.



2. The unbridled growth of radical Islam, and the approach to the dangers of this movement by Leftist leaders, presages an atavism in society, a return to the oppression of earlier times.

"In the history of mankind, freedom has been the exception.Governed by kings and queens, human beings were told that power starts at the top and flows down; that their rights emanate from a monarch and may be taken away at the monarch’s whim.

The British began a revolution against this way of thinking in a meadow called Runnymede in 1215. It was embodied in the Magna Carta, which read: “To all free men of our kingdom we have also granted, for us and our heirs for ever, all the liberties written out below, to have and to keep for them and their heirs . . . .”

That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.
... our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents— but from God.
As the Declaration of Independence put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf


2. Today is momentous in the discussion of freedom, liberty, and unalienable rights.


15 June 1215

Magna Carta (Latin for "the Great Charter"), also called Magna Carta Libertatum (Latin for "the Great Charter of the Liberties"), is a charter agreed by King John of England at Runnymede, near Windsor, on 15 June 1215.

Magna Carta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Rant.

 

[yiostheoy]

Perhaps that's just the difference between written history

More beatings?

Sure.

Let's first take a look at your attempt to slither away...
You actually wrote this:
"The framers had discovered they had given too much freedom to the market.....

.....and so the new Constitution took away some of that freedom."



Pretty much an admission that you were wrong in trying to both deny this....
That of the Founders, individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, via the Constitution.


....and your attempt to support the opposite.....this:
collectivization, unquestioning lock-step adherence to government policies, over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.....'


Wow....was that easy.
But.....ripping you anti-Americans is usually both fun and easy.



Be sure to let me know if you need some more slapping around.

I'm not sure that you even know what I'm talking about, and as for that slapping around stuff, I'm not into that, even if it might be historic.

If you're back....you're here for a beating.

Let's review.....
I gave you this choice, as it represents the binary between liberty....the Founders.....and totalitarian governance, any of these six:
Communists, Liberals, Progressives, Nazis, Fascists, and Socialists.

In short....the modern Democrat Party.


You're too much of a wimp to admit the truth.....but claimed that there was no free market aspect to the America of the Founders.

Of course I proved you wrong....with quotes of those folks.


Now to inflict more damage....as you so richly deserve.


What...you might say that the Founders lived far too long ago?

Well....my personal favorite was more contemporary....let's see what he has to say.


Milton Friedman on free markets and the Founders....

" It’s true that there have been free men who have made free markets. The founders of this country, the fathers of our Constitution, were free men who believed in individual and personal freedom, and they set up a Constitution that was designed to preserve free markets.


The founders of the American Constitution did establish free markets, but what really preserved free markets in this country were not the philosophical ideas of the founders. It was a fortunate accident that in the 1830’s, over a century ago, when state after state, including Illinois, went in for government control and government activity, the government projects were failures. How many of you know that at one time Illinois had state-owned and operated banks? They failed and so they went out of business. There was an enormous movement at that time for states to construct canals and railroads, toward what today we would call socialism or national enterprise or central planning on a state-by-state level. But the crisis of 1837 wiped them all out. It was that accident, more I believe than the philosophical ideas of the founders of this country, that preserved free markets in this country.


....free markets make free men and that controlled markets destroy free men..."
https://www.chicagobooth.edu/~/media/917BA065D1914F8F8DF7536680FD7EE7.pdf




Don't forget.....c'mon back whenever you feel the need for a spanking.

Do you have idea what went on in 1837 to cause the market collapse?

Now...why are you running from the issue?
See how neatly I've boiled the choices down for you?

It's simple, and binary.

Sooooo.....why the deep fear or answering?

There are two choices:

a. That of the Founders, individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, via the Constitution.


b. Leftists.....communists, Liberals,Progressives, whatever, offer the following:
collectivization, unquestioning lock-step adherence to government policies, over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.....'



You pick.


Then, defend your pick.


If you can.


You pick.

The framers of the Constitution created a document that increased the powers of national government. The economy was very much a part of that document as we had a national debt that would not be paid off, for the first and only time in our history until a Democrat, did the deed in 1837,

True.

When U.S. Paid Off National Debt (Why It Didn't Last)

 

[yiostheoy]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

God given rights is simply an argument that was utilized by the founders to counter the divine right of kings argument.

Agreed.

The "God given rights" notion was the brain child of the philosopher John Locke.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

God given rights is simply an argument that was utilized by the founders to counter the divine right of kings argument.

Agreed.

The "God given rights" notion was the brain child of the philosopher John Locke.

Spoken like a true totalitarian.

 

[regent]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

God given rights is simply an argument that was utilized by the founders to counter the divine right of kings argument.

Agreed.

The "God given rights" notion was the brain child of the philosopher John Locke.

Spoken like a true totalitarian.

Maybe your problem is that you take bits and pieces of history and try to blend them into a useful chapter of history and they don't blend. For example, when Jackson paid off the debt he had money left over so he distributed the money to the states. The states took the money and invested it in projects that could not be paid for and a short recession took place. Another question that should have been asked, is where did Jackson get the money to pay off the debt and why don't we try to duplicate Jackson's pay-off?
In the meantime you're talking about slapping people around.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

God given rights is simply an argument that was utilized by the founders to counter the divine right of kings argument.

Agreed.

The "God given rights" notion was the brain child of the philosopher John Locke.

Spoken like a true totalitarian.

Maybe your problem is that you take bits and pieces of history and try to blend them into a useful chapter of history and they don't blend. For example, when Jackson paid off the debt he had money left over so he distributed the money to the states. The states took the money and invested it in projects that could not be paid for and a short recession took place. Another question that should have been asked, is where did Jackson get the money to pay off the debt and why don't we try to duplicate Jackson's pay-off?
In the meantime you're talking about slapping people around.

"....they don't blend...."

Of course they do.

That's why the best you can ever do is 'is not, issss noootttttt!!!"



A real pity that you've never been able to overcome your indoctrination.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

God given rights is simply an argument that was utilized by the founders to counter the divine right of kings argument.

Agreed.

The "God given rights" notion was the brain child of the philosopher John Locke.

He debated, in a fashion, the great proponent of the Divine Right of Kings, Robert Filmer. Filmer's claim was that there was such a thing as God given rights,

but that God gave monarchs the right to absolute power. The opponents countered, not surprisingly, with their own 'God' argument.