The methods of conversion

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    There are many ways to persuade individuals to see one side or the other in a debate or that the issues between conservatives and liberals have definitive sides and allow a person to choose the one he/she most believes in. The worst way to do this, of course, is to force a decision based on the actions and reactions of your 'side'.

    My wife, when I first met her, was so conservative that it made me look like Ted Kennedy. Through very tumultuous times and discussions we were able to come to compromises on almost everything we believed in politically even though we didn't much care for the compromise. Still, in all, it worked out for the most part.

    When I first came to this board in Oct of last year, the groans from my wife were very audible, 'not another message board, geeeez'. It took me a long time to get her to garner any interest in even reading some of the posts. Once I actually got her interested enough to partake in it, with no small help from jimnyc ;) , she really took off in trying to find out enough information for herself.

    Today, you've helped her decide to be a liberal. Was it that she didn't agree with your points of view? no. Was it because she felt that the liberal side offered her a more american way of life and freedom of opportunity? no. It wasn't that either. It was the constant onslaught of liberal bashing that finally made her decide that she didn't want to be anything like most of the 'conservatives' on the board. Thats certainly not what I had in mind for her in order to allow her to choose what she wants. She simply chose what she didn't want to be.

    While it is sometimes fun to throw a little mud at the other side, provided its done in fun, and even though things do get heated sometimes because someone pisses us off with a stupid ass comment, it shouldn't have to come down to choosing NOT to be like that side or this side.

    I've tried very hard to be the smart liberal on the board. One that is reminiscent of the democrats of the reagan era. Believe me, its not easy considering some of the other 'liberals' on the board that allow the grouping of liberals to be easily accomplished. With the exception of the yahoo boards, I've never seen a group more happily inclined to just throw out slander towards the liberal side, simply because they want to. It makes it very easy to want to not be involved politically because of the trash that gets thrown from both sides of the fence, so I'm flaming most of the liberals at this point as well. The extremism and partisanship is whats going to divide this country in half and COULD eventually lead to all out civil war. Some of you may think thats ridiculous but look around you, see whats going on. The hatred that exists right now between liberals and conservatives has never been more pronounced. Who cares who's to blame at this point, fixing it is more important, and its not going to be fixed by demanding everyone choose one side or the other, lest you forget all the independent thinkers out there that don't play the game but still believe in things.

    Just food for thought guys, you've probably blown your best chance ever at honestly turning someone, who admittedly didn't know a whole lot about politics, into a true conservative but failed to do so because you couldn't get over your dislike for liberalism.
     
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    Nice thought dk. In my opinion, liberalism is just a thin sheath of denial placed over communist and anti american thought. As such libs must be defeated entirely in the political arena. Their ideas are bad for america. And they placed themselves to benefit politically when things go bad for america. Your little essay of judgement phases me not one iota. just thought you'd like to know.

    They can have their thoughts. And I have a right to have my opinion of their thoughts. Their policies are mostly destructive, despite the nobility of the stated intention.
     
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    As much as you're entitled to your opinion you missed the entire point of my post. I laid out the problem and hinted at a solution. You refuse to be part of the solution, hence you will always be part of the problem. Sad actually, I've seen and heard such great comments about your intellectual ability from someone very dear to me and its a shame to watch you destroy that from time to time with your posts.
     
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    Nice black and white view. We don't agree on the solution. Getting along is not the goal. Doing the right thing for civilization is the goal.

    Oh yes. I'm deeply influenced by the opinions of others. Hello dk, it's me!

    I'd expect nothing less than personal insult from an angry lib.
     
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    when people have different views about whats right and wrong, there is no black and white view. The 'I'm right, you're wrong' scenario is played out.

    If you saw personal insult from me then I'm not the one with the problem.
     
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    If were not part of the solution werre part of the problem.

    We don't agree on the solution dk. Having a big love in is not my goal. This is a political site, man. We have political disagreements and those get heated.
     
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    The superiority of a free and free market society is clearly measurable though. THere is no debating that capitalism results in a greater standard of living FOR EVERYONE.
     
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    then maybe you missed this part of the board.

    tie that in with my post here. see what you have. If its too much for you to comprehend then maybe you're fooling more people than you realize.
     
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    Oh. what, you didn't think I felt appropriate levels of pain from having a friend abandon me and decided to bump the thread? That's pretty sick, dude.

    You're "won", dk. Do you feel good now?
     
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    This is your problem, you'rs and alot of others. Your 'friend', who only wanted to learn from others, saw the bitter attitudes and decided not to be part of it and all you can think about is how YOU were abandoned. Nothing at all about how your 'friend' feels at all. THATS pretty sick.

    Is this all about you? Does the world truly revolve around RWA?

    Face these facts. YOU are partially responsible for the strife in this country. YOU are partially responsible for the anger and hatred against you. YOU are partially to blame for all the bitterness that YOUR inability to work with others causes, simply because you REFUSE to acknowledge that you don't know everything and that you're not right about everything.

    Thanks for contributing.
     
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