The meeting -- the first of its kind with the chiefs of the Navy, Army, Marine Corps

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    Obama seeks options on Afghan force levels - Washington Post- msnbc.com

    While Republicans are screaming for Obama to "quit dithering" and do "something", this intelligent and thoughtful President has quietly been working with the military in the attempt to craft a useful strategy in the attempt to fix the terrible debacle we were led into for the last eight years.

    The rights loudest whiner has been Former Vice President Dick (slam dunk) Cheney who was wrong about virtually everything, yet, the right is convinced, that he is finally right about something. But beyond "quit dithering", they are not sure what.

    Is Obama "dithering" or is he governing in an intelligent and thoughtful manner?
     
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    Given his track record - Dithering. He's known about Afghanistan since before he took office. Face it, he should have done this months ago.
     
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    You've known about Afghanistan since 9/11. What's your strategy?
     
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    Here is the huge gaping hole in the White House-constructed news story:

    Anyone who spent a day in any military staff officers course is familiar with the military decision-making process. ONLY the BEST recommendation is forwarded after undergoing a vetting process that is bounced around the staff and reviewed from all angles: personnel, logistics, communications, intelligence, public affairs, operations, and so on. When McChrystal said 40,000, he meant 40,000! This wasn't some wish list or some nice-to-have request. It was a request that had undergone a military staffing process. It is how combat decisions are made; it is how George Patton moved so quickly and decisively with his famous "end around" during the Battle of the Bulge; it is how Schwarzkopf successfully deceived the Iraqis and destroyed them within 100 hours.

    Obama is being an idiot.

    We are going to lose more lives on the battlefield.


    Yeah, this is change we can believe in. :cuckoo:
     
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    Thank you. It's more image bullshit without action.
     
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    All angles? Too bad the "decider" didn't understand the "angles". So where does that 40,000 come from? You know that if only a tiny percentage of the Republicans who supported these two wars had enlisted, then we would have had more than enough troops to finish years ago.

    Of course, the same people that are "complaining" that Obama isn't rushing out and doing "something" are the same people who have done nothing but criticize as Obama and the Democrats have brought America back from the brink of economic collapse.

    The situation is way more "complex" than Afghanistan, there is also Pakistan and it's nuclear weapons to consider.

    Does the general look at the picture that includes the "big" picture? Or does he look at winning each battle?

    Republicans just say, "Do something". They have a "strategy" they didn't had before. It's like health-care. They have three separate plans that know one has ever read.

    But they are good at accusing people of being less than patriotic. They have a real talent there. Too bad more haven't enlisted, just to show everyone how patriotic they are.
     
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    Republican/Democrat has nothing to do with it. My criticism against Obama is that he is a weak leader. Period. Doesn't matter that he's a Democrat. Same would hold true if he was a Republican.

    I'm assuming you have no military background or, if you do, that you never served as a military officer above company grade. I'm a retired field grade Army officer and am very familiar with warplanning doctrine and warfighting execution.

    Yes, commanding officers, particularly theater commanders such as McChrystal, look at things from ALL ANGLES. During my last years with the military, the State Department even assigned a liaison to theater level commands for a direct link between State and Defense (although this did not change the fact that the ground commander still works for the SECDEF). Point here is that this is more than just winning a battle; it's a matter of following through on national level policy.

    Obama is ignoring this by turning this into a political maneuver rather than accepting the word of his military experts. This is what gets troops killed. This was a harsh lesson-learned from a place called Vietnam. We're now repeating that ugly lesson because we have a president who doesn't trust his ground commander.

    How shameful. How criminal. How irresponsible.
     
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    You obviously are bent over double and talking out of your posterior end. The last poll I saw showed that a whopping 8.4% of our military actually had the guts to admit that they were Liberal. While I believe it shows 45.8% Conservative. I believe you are so wrong with that little dig that the rest of what you have to say isn't even worth reading.

    Military Times Polls

    1) How would you describe your political views?
    Very conservative
    8.8%

    Conservative
    37%
    Moderate
    38.7%

    Liberal
    7%
    Very liberal
    1.4%

    Decline to answer
    7.1%
     
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    rdeanie-weenie, is that you?

    I can't believe that you came up with a question that I would entertain!

    C'mon- who thought it up for you?

    But enough chit-chat. Here is the answer: neither "dithering" or is he governing in an intelligent and thoughtful manner.

    No, bumper-sticker babe, President Obama (peace be on him) already knows what he will do in Afghanistan, and my guess is that he will send the troops.

    Remember, Healthcare is the key to his domestic what-passes-for-policy.

    He is herding cats in the Congress, and must keep the foaming-mouthed libs, you know, like you, in his corner, and sending troops would be a no-no the Huffington-Posters, so here's the skinny:

    He avoids sending troops until he can get by without the far-lefties, either because ObamaCare passes or it fails.

    Night-night. Are you wearing those jammies with the little feet on them?
     
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