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I wonder if their have been studies of the correlation of the high diagnosis of ADHD/ADD, even bi polar disorder, and the advent of electronic devices, such as video games, computer games, et el.....
I am a firm believer in behavior modification for children, instead of drugging them in most cases.
I agree. I'm sure there is a high correlation with at least ADHD and TVs, computers, etc, as well as lack of reading.
Unless the child is doing something intelligent (not just searching for information but actual work) with technology, I would say limit their time on it. Though if they form a hobby (other than playing video games) let them have more time. It's the lack of brain activity that causes the problems from these things. Of course they also need to "get outside" enough to be physically healthy as well.
---she adds like an afterthought. No shit sherlockOf course they also need to "get outside"
... and your point? I was simply letting it be known I was not forgetting the importance of physical activity, why is this wrong?
I'm not talking about the psychological aspects of hitting your thumb.
I'm just talking about the acute pain that you experience. That is a chemical imbalance. But we don't measure any blood tests to prove it.
There are lots of disorders that we measure blood work to diagnose. There are also lots of disorders that we assess clinical findings to diagnose. High cholesterol is an example of the former and high blood pressure is an example of the latter.
And for each "chemical imbalance" there are chemicals that can and have been measured...but in a day to day clinical setting, these lab test would be too costly or invasive to perform, but instead have been correlated with clinical findings.
However, I don't really need to spend any more time explaining anything to you, because you are eots. Any discussion with you is a certified waste of time.
you have not explained jack shit to anyone ...thats a complete lie...you are liying if you say there are such test that have mesured chemicals but its not practical in a clinic setting...total.. FALSE...WHY WOULD YOU LIE LIKE THAT...
ScienceDirect - Clinical Therapeutics : Does pretreatment testing for serotonin transporter polymorphisms lead to earlier effects of drug treatment in patients with major depression? A decision-analytic model
you have not explained jack shit to anyone ...thats a complete lie...you are liying if you say there are such test that have mesured chemicals but its not practical in a clinic setting...total.. FALSE...WHY WOULD YOU LIE LIKE THAT...
ScienceDirect - Clinical Therapeutics : Does pretreatment testing for serotonin transporter polymorphisms lead to earlier effects of drug treatment in patients with major depression? A decision-analytic model
are you really this stupid..did you even read what you posted ??
The findings of this study suggest that performing genetic testing before prescribing antidepressant treatment may lead to greater numbers of patients experiencing remission early in treatment.
no one was saying that about or to againshelia and you know that duckie...
too many kids are drugged in the us...we have the highest rate of drugging kids in the world...now why is that...is our society that toxic? arent you basically drugging a developing brain?
Why don't you take a hammer and hit your thumb? Do it...right now!
How can we tell if you are having pain? There are no blood tests for it.
Yet, we treat your pain with a narcotic...a chemical...that goes into your brain and binds to receptors to stop the pain.
Almost every thing is a biochemical imbalance to one degree or another.
so its simply a theory..not a proven medical condition..and go hit your finger with a hammer lhard enough to create a persistent pain and there will indeed be psychological signs of the injury even if it redness or swelling...is there any such psychological display in mental illness...can anti psycotics...create..psycosis...can antidepressants cause suicidal and homicidal acts ?...life long movement disorders ??
I'm not talking about the psychological aspects of hitting your thumb.
I'm just talking about the acute pain that you experience. That is a chemical imbalance. But we don't measure any blood tests to prove it.
There are lots of disorders that we measure blood work to diagnose. There are also lots of disorders that we assess clinical findings to diagnose. High cholesterol is an example of the former and high blood pressure is an example of the latter.
And for each "chemical imbalance" there are chemicals that can and have been measured...but in a day to day clinical setting, these lab test would be too costly or invasive to perform, but instead have been correlated with clinical findings.
However, I don't really need to spend any more time explaining anything to you, because you are eots. Any discussion with you is a certified waste of time.
---she adds like an afterthought. No shit sherlock
... and your point? I was simply letting it be known I was not forgetting the importance of physical activity, why is this wrong?
How about the whole physical self ? The brain ain't just a computer that's carried around in a robot.
so its simply a theory..not a proven medical condition..and go hit your finger with a hammer lhard enough to create a persistent pain and there will indeed be psychological signs of the injury even if it redness or swelling...is there any such psychological display in mental illness...can anti psycotics...create..psycosis...can antidepressants cause suicidal and homicidal acts ?...life long movement disorders ??
I'm not talking about the psychological aspects of hitting your thumb.
I'm just talking about the acute pain that you experience. That is a chemical imbalance. But we don't measure any blood tests to prove it.
There are lots of disorders that we measure blood work to diagnose. There are also lots of disorders that we assess clinical findings to diagnose. High cholesterol is an example of the former and high blood pressure is an example of the latter.
And for each "chemical imbalance" there are chemicals that can and have been measured...but in a day to day clinical setting, these lab test would be too costly or invasive to perform, but instead have been correlated with clinical findings.
However, I don't really need to spend any more time explaining anything to you, because you are eots. Any discussion with you is a certified waste of time.
You're right--it is a waste of time.
... and your point? I was simply letting it be known I was not forgetting the importance of physical activity, why is this wrong?
How about the whole physical self ? The brain ain't just a computer that's carried around in a robot.
Um ... really? Pray-tell how you come to this conclusion? Science dictates otherwise mind you. Actually, the computer-robot analogy is one that science actually used to describe living beings such as us.
How about the whole physical self ? The brain ain't just a computer that's carried around in a robot.
Um ... really? Pray-tell how you come to this conclusion? Science dictates otherwise mind you. Actually, the computer-robot analogy is one that science actually used to describe living beings such as us.
What can I say ?---science is proven wrong by itself almost daily. Yank the heart out of that robot carrying your brain and let me know how well your brain works afterwords.
Um ... really? Pray-tell how you come to this conclusion? Science dictates otherwise mind you. Actually, the computer-robot analogy is one that science actually used to describe living beings such as us.
What can I say ?---science is proven wrong by itself almost daily. Yank the heart out of that robot carrying your brain and let me know how well your brain works afterwords.
Computers need a fuel source just as much as our brains, they are just simpler machines and thus their requirements are fewer (only one fuel source). Our blood is what carries the fuel sources, moved by our hearts, through our veins. The mechanical computer uses electricity only (our bodies produce it's own using other fuels) transported from a power source (battery or power plant) to the parts with wires. The analogy is not flawed, just simplistic. Biology goes into far more detail and explains all the different processes but the concepts of robotics and computers actually mimic living beings. As a matter of fact they have been experimenting with producing simple duplicates of brains using our mechanical technology for decades, and many robotics hobbyists use an insect level computer brain in their robots (very simplistic and only capable of minimal learning). If the power source of a computer is cut, all the RAM vanishes, effectively "killing" it, the only salvation is that with mechanical brains we can save the data, on hard drives, so when the power source is restored it can reload that data, thus allowing it to be revived infinitely. The analogy actually continues much more than this, down to how muscles and hydrolics function the same. The cells in our bodies work specific jobs, just like tiny little machines, and like machines our bodies wear out eventually. So again, how are we that different beyond having a spirit or soul?
and does nothing to prove that body chemistry doesn't affect ones thinking or resulting behavior.analogy is flawed and simplistic.
The Medicated Child
Please watch this PBS report when you have an hour to spare, FRONTLINE: the medicated child | PBS
Im not a doctor, and neither of my kids was ever suspected of or diagnosed with any type of mental condition. What I do have is some other types of personal involvement, and just some common sense.
My ex-wife was diagnosed as being bi-polar a few years ago. She is currently on medication that allows her to function as a normal adult. I personally just thought that she was an alcoholic prior to the diagnosis, and so did her family, and even herself.
(Just a quick and funny side note to this is that when my oldest daughter was 16 she once told me Mom is fucking crazy. That was the first time I ever heard one of my children use the F word.)
My ex-wife was 40 years old before she was eventually diagnosed as being bi-polar. She had been in rehab clinics numerous times and had seen many psychiatrists and psychologists over the years before this diagnosis came about.
So, my question is, how the hell do you diagnose a child as being bi-polar?
I once dated a woman that had both her sons under treatment for ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). The boys were 8 and 11, and she had a 6 year old daughter. The daughter was not under medical treatment. My daughters were 9 and 11 at the time. Me having children at that age, I also knew quite few other parents with children in the same age group. Personally, I never thought her boys were much different in behavior than the other boys I knew that were that age. Except when she had them drugged up. Shortly after she gave them their meds, they were like little zombies. In the mornings, prior to them taking their drugs, they were loud, somewhat rambunctious, full of mischief and just plain fun to talk to. Once those meds kicked in, they were completely different children.
Once, when she had to go out of town for a weekend working seminar, I took care of her kids for the weekend. Me, not being in the routine of medicating kids, I forgot to give them their meds Saturday morning. And, I forgot Saturday evening as well. Im telling you, these boys were not out of control, and didnt require any special treatment without their drugs. Sunday morning I remembered I was supposed to give them medication. The 11 year old took his medication. I think more out of habit and expectation than for any other reason. But, the 9 year old challenged me. He didnt want to take the meds. And you know what, he wasnt just being obstinate. I paraphrase here, but this is what he told me,
I didnt take my medicine yesterday and nothing bad happened. You didnt have to spank me for being bad, I didnt get in fights with my brother or sister. I played nice with the kids across the street. I didnt yell or scream or throw any temper tantrums. Yesterday was the best day ever, and I want to have another day just like it. I dont think I can if you make me take those pills.
Damn, I almost cried. And, I didnt make him take the pills. And he was just fine for the rest of the day.
His mother was pissed at me when she got home Sunday evening and I told her about it. She insisted that he needed the meds to control his behavior. I flat out told her that I couldnt date somebody that wanted to drug her children into being little zombies just so she didnt have to be an active, involved and engaged parent. That was the end of our relationship.
So, back to the above linked broadcast. While I certainly believe that some children do have emotional and mental issues that need to be treated, I am also firmly of the opinion that in todays current environment, childhood emotional and mental issues are being extremely overly diagnosed and treated. What the hell has changed since I was 10 years old? 35 years ago there were almost no kids being drugged for ADHD, or, as they simply called it back then, hyperactivity.
Ill probably get some shit for this, but dammit, we as a society need to quit drugging our children and start being parents. You cant throw your kids into the easy-bake oven of life and expect them to turn out like some sort of celluloid hero.
The teacher simply didn't want to deal with 4 high energy little boys in her classroom. She preferred medicating them. It was a huge battle with the principal to get him moved out of her class, but to me, this is a huge problem.
