The Media's Witch Hunt Against the Religious Right

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National Media Witch Hunt Against The Religious Right
By Quin Hillyer for the Mobile Register
May 20, 2005

Memo to the national media, and to the political left in general: Get a grip. Stop being paranoid. The "religious right" isn't evil, doesn't run the country, and won't destroy your liberties. So stop spouting all that nonsense about "theocracy" and "ayatollahs." Stop fighting against a mythical bogeyman. Stop scaring people.

For background, consider that the media for years had problems not just with Christian conservatives, but with religion in general. The craziest example was the sub-headline in a national news magazine back in the 1990s that noted "the surprising unsecularity of the American public." When did "secularity" become the norm? Why was it "surprising" to the editors that the American public is religious? This is, after all, a country where more than 90 percent of people profess belief in God.

The current media freak-out, however, began after President George W. Bush won re-election. Maureen Dowd of The New York Times wrote immediately that Mr. Bush was running "a jihad in America," that he "got re-elected by dividing the country along fault lines of fear, intolerance, ignorance and religious rule." Yeah, right. As if the only reasons for 60 million Americans to support Mr. Bush or oppose John Kerry were variants of bigotry or stupidity.

In truth, the sky isn't falling. But Ms. Dowd has returned repeatedly to the same theme, even starting one column with this line: "Oh my God, we really are in a theocracy."

Such fulminations have become the norm in today's punditry. Rarely does a day go by without at least one column on the news wire lamenting that rule by domestic ayatollahs is at hand.

In the pages of the Register on May 15, for instance, columnist Cynthia Tucker warned that "our science infrastructure is under attack from religious extremists." A day earlier, Leonard Pitts and Ellen Goodman both wrote in similar terms against the religious right. On May 10, it was Clarence Page's turn. On May 3, Carl Hiassen opined against religious "zealots" in a "tizzy."

And on April 24, Ms. Tucker sputtered that the Christian right's "antediluvian agenda represents a serious threat to American democracy." If they get their way, she wrote, "the entire nation will live according to the rigid rules of a handful of self-righteous folks who distrust modernity. They would dictate the way we worship, live, work, have sex and even die. ... These extremists have much in common with the jihadist wing of Islam."

for full article
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-5_20_05_QH.html
 
Your neighbor at the Pentecostal Church has neither the intention nor the power to subject you to theocracy. But he has every right to organize, just as you do, to win support for his political views.

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Adam's Apple said:
National Media Witch Hunt Against The Religious Right
By Quin Hillyer for the Mobile Register
May 20, 2005

Memo to the national media, and to the political left in general: Get a grip. Stop being paranoid. The "religious right" isn't evil, doesn't run the country, and won't destroy your liberties. So stop spouting all that nonsense about "theocracy" and "ayatollahs." Stop fighting against a mythical bogeyman. Stop scaring people.

For background, consider that the media for years had problems not just with Christian conservatives, but with religion in general. The craziest example was the sub-headline in a national news magazine back in the 1990s that noted "the surprising unsecularity of the American public." When did "secularity" become the norm? Why was it "surprising" to the editors that the American public is religious? This is, after all, a country where more than 90 percent of people profess belief in God.

The current media freak-out, however, began after President George W. Bush won re-election. Maureen Dowd of The New York Times wrote immediately that Mr. Bush was running "a jihad in America," that he "got re-elected by dividing the country along fault lines of fear, intolerance, ignorance and religious rule." Yeah, right. As if the only reasons for 60 million Americans to support Mr. Bush or oppose John Kerry were variants of bigotry or stupidity.

In truth, the sky isn't falling. But Ms. Dowd has returned repeatedly to the same theme, even starting one column with this line: "Oh my God, we really are in a theocracy."

Such fulminations have become the norm in today's punditry. Rarely does a day go by without at least one column on the news wire lamenting that rule by domestic ayatollahs is at hand.

In the pages of the Register on May 15, for instance, columnist Cynthia Tucker warned that "our science infrastructure is under attack from religious extremists." A day earlier, Leonard Pitts and Ellen Goodman both wrote in similar terms against the religious right. On May 10, it was Clarence Page's turn. On May 3, Carl Hiassen opined against religious "zealots" in a "tizzy."

And on April 24, Ms. Tucker sputtered that the Christian right's "antediluvian agenda represents a serious threat to American democracy." If they get their way, she wrote, "the entire nation will live according to the rigid rules of a handful of self-righteous folks who distrust modernity. They would dictate the way we worship, live, work, have sex and even die. ... These extremists have much in common with the jihadist wing of Islam."

for full article
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-5_20_05_QH.html


article,however this will not stop the media in it's tracks...they are pure and simple socialists...no Marxists...no communists...all three would describe them..
They will not stop until they are stopped or they win...it's up to the people to put a stop to this media blitz...if everyone stopped buying their radical papers and stopped watching their aired atrocities masked as news...well the sponsors would no longer pay for commercials and out of business they will be! :thup:
 
You're so right, Archangel, but it's just not going to happen. The "religious right" needs to be stirred up to the point where they get off their honches and start defending vigorously what they profess to believe, but many will continue to buy newspapers like the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, etc. and continue to get their "news" from CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC.

Speaking of the NY Times, about a week ago I read an article written by Times columnnist Frank Rich (radical liberal) entitled "How Gay Is the Radical Right?" He had dredged up two or three gay politicians and then painted the entire "radical right" with that same brush. It was such a ridiculous article, I could hardly believe the NY Times would print something like that, but anything goes if your goal is to bring down the hated Christians and Christianity.
 
Adam's Apple said:
You're so right, Archangel, but it's just not going to happen. The "religious right" needs to be stirred up to the point where they get off their honches and start defending vigorously what they profess to believe, but many will continue to buy newspapers like the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, etc. and continue to get their "news" from CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC.

Speaking of the NY Times, about a week ago I read an article written by Times columnnist Frank Rich (radical liberal) entitled "How Gay Is the Radical Right?" He had dredged up two or three gay politicians and then painted the entire "radical right" with that same brush. It was such a ridiculous article, I could hardly believe the NY Times would print something like that, but anything goes if your goal is to bring down the hated Christians and Christianity.


Never fails to amaze me how the far left defends gay issues and Nambla...then turns around and attacks this same behavoir when they attach it to a fallen GOP member...go figure! :whip:
 
It's the liberals way of saying conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites and no better than they are morally. It's what they want to believe, regardless of whether it's true or not--just like most of the other made-up stories they publish these days.
 
theim said:

If all the Churches wish to relinquish their tax exempt status then maybe using Churches as a Political Party could be an option.

Religion is something that should not be used for profit or power. The people who do that in my book are some of the worst scum on the Earth.
 
IControlThePast said:
If all the Churches wish to relinquish their tax exempt status then maybe using Churches as a Political Party could be an option.

Religion is something that should not be used for profit or power. The people who do that in my book are some of the worst scum on the Earth.

So...basically every televangelist on the planet? :D
 
Shattered said:
So...basically every televangelist on the planet? :D

Basically yeah. I saw one not to long ago selling his book on "how to make a miracle happen for you," with testaments of people who managed to have a miracle happen when they were deathly ill and lived. The book was basically trying to suck out the last cash of people who've been through extensive medical treatments and who are close to the end, before they die. That one especially pissed me off. :D
 
IControlThePast said:
If all the Churches wish to relinquish their tax exempt status then maybe using Churches as a Political Party could be an option.

Religion is something that should not be used for profit or power. The people who do that in my book are some of the worst scum on the Earth.

Is it not only logical that religious institutions would attempt to use their great amount of influence to change things that they see wrong with the country? It's just like any other group of people. Conservatives want low taxes. Liberals want more benefits. Gays want gay marriage. Secularists want God out of the public sphere. Animal-Rights activists want less animal testing. Religious people want to get rid of abortion, to counter the secularist agenda, etc.
 
theim said:
Is it not only logical that religious institutions would attempt to use their great amount of influence to change things that they see wrong with the country? It's just like any other group of people. Conservatives want low taxes. Liberals want more benefits. Gays want gay marriage. Secularists want God out of the public sphere. Animal-Rights activists want less animal testing. Religious people want to get rid of abortion, to counter the secularist agenda, etc.

It is logical, but once a Church enters the Political realm it should lose its tax exempt status and be treated like a political party.
 
IControlThePast said:
It is logical, but once a Church enters the Political realm it should lose its tax exempt status and be treated like a political party.

But it isn't a political party. Expressing your veiws doesn't make you a political party.
 
theim said:
But it isn't a political party. Expressing your veiws doesn't make you a political party.

Sure, they can let people in the church express their views, but when, as in your quote, they organize to win political support for their views, then they are a political party. If they organize around a certain ideology to attain political power, then they are, by definition, a political party.
 
IControlThePast said:
If all the Churches wish to relinquish their tax exempt status then maybe using Churches as a Political Party could be an option.

Religion is something that should not be used for profit or power. The people who do that in my book are some of the worst scum on the Earth.

Oh, you lefties, you just hate it when any other institution competes for control of the human psyche.
 
IControlThePast said:
It is logical, but once a Church enters the Political realm it should lose its tax exempt status and be treated like a political party.

BS. Why the heck should Christians be exempt from their freedom to speak up on whats important for them? Why would you think they should lose their freedom of Religion to use their freedom of speech? The whole point of the first amendment is to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government. Who the heck are you to tell people that government has to interfer with their free exercise of religion because they want to speak up? That's neither logical or moral. It's arrogant and tyrannical.
 
Avatar4321 said:
BS. Why the heck should Christians be exempt from their freedom to speak up on whats important for them? Why would you think they should lose their freedom of Religion to use their freedom of speech? The whole point of the first amendment is to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government. Who the heck are you to tell people that government has to interfer with their free exercise of religion because they want to speak up? That's neither logical or moral. It's arrogant and tyrannical.

No, Christians do have the freedom to speak up. I've already said that :read:. They can organize however they want. But if they organize around a church, and make the church a political party, the church should be treated as such.

Tell me what is so illogical about making an organization that acts as a political party, and falls under the definition of political party, subject to the rules of political parties?
 
IControlThePast said:
No, Christians do have the freedom to speak up. I've already said that :read:. They can organize however they want. But if they organize around a church, and make the church a political party, the church should be treated as such.

Tell me what is so illogical about making an organization that acts as a political party, and falls under the definition of political party, subject to the rules of political parties?

Churhes survive on donations and gifts. If they didn't have a tax exempt status, many would no doubt flounder. But, I imagine that is what you're trying to accomplish here with your "political" arguement.

For the life of me, I can't recall a candidate that refered to a "church" as his party. But you know what? I'd bet that if someone ran on a "Christian ticket", (if there was such a thing), their chances of getting elected to whatever, where ever would be quite good.
 
Pale Rider said:
Churhes survive on donations and gifts. If they didn't have a tax exempt status, many would no doubt flounder. But, I imagine that is what you're trying to accomplish here with your "political" arguement.

For the life of me, I can't recall a candidate that refered to a "church" as his party. But you know what? I'd bet that if someone ran on a "Christian ticket", (if there was such a thing), their chances of getting elected to whatever, where ever would be quite good.

Well then I suppose they would chose not to act as a political party if it was bad for them, or cut their costs, or find some way to increase donations. It's their choice, their freedom.

They probably would have a good chance of winning, considering I can't think of a single person running for President who hasn't said they were Christian. Apparently in theim's quote:

"Your neighbor at the Pentecostal Church has neither the intention nor the power to subject you to theocracy. But he has every right to organize, just as you do, to win support for his political views."

If he organizes through the Pentacostal Church to win support for political views, then the Pentacostal Church here is a political party and should be treated as one.
 
IControlThePast said:
If he organizes through the Pentacostal Church to win support for political views, then the Pentacostal Church here is a political party and should be treated as one.

This is where I lose you as well as others 'Past. So candidates organize through unions. Are unions a "political party"? No. Candidates orginize through pharmaceutical companys. Are pharmaceutical companys a "political party"? No. Candidates orginize through the NRA. Is the NRA a "political party"? No. These are all nothing more "platforms" on which someone will run. That's totally different from a "political party".

You're trying your damnedest to connect the dots between a church and a political party, but it's not working.
 
Pale Rider said:
This is where I lose you as well as others 'Past. So candidates organize through unions. Are unions a "political party"? No. Candidates orginize through pharmaceutical companys. Are pharmaceutical companys a "political party"? No. Candidates orginize through the NRA. Is the NRA a "political party"? No. These are all nothing more "platforms" on which someone will run. That's totally different from a "political party".

You're trying your damnedest to connect the dots between a church and a political party, but it's not working.

If you want to instead subject it to the rules of a PAC, like the NRA is, then that is fine with me.
 

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