The Many Christs-the historical not the hysterical

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  1. HaShev

    HaShev Gold Member

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    The many Christs that existed
    History 101
    Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
    Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

    The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
    Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
    Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
    Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
    Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
    The only Ad era at that time was
    Theudas by the Jordan
    Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
    Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
    a large following until he failed his liberation...*hint hint*

    The following lores,myths,legends used to create the image of Jesus include Baal, Mithra, Horus, Osiris, Krishna, Esus (the tri god), Dagon, Zeus, and more.
    Bible roles stolen from Michael which is why JW's think they are one & the same. Bible characters like Joseph, and Rabbi Yohoshua Ben Chananiah plagiarised.
    OT blatantly plagiarised story by story throuought which lead to some pretty funny mistakes in not knowing the meaning of which they borrowed from.

    Sources: Book of Acts accounts christ Yehuda and christ Theudas, but confuse their dying sequences by saying Theudas died before Yehuda.

    Lysanias died in 35bc, Herod 4bcn therefore can't be in the story of a AD Pilate era figure.

    Widows mite is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
    There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
    This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated & appointed
    Shimon ben Shetach head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

    Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
    2 accounts:
    -Dr. Franz Hartman -
    & Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900

    According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,
    Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
    Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

    Fact: the people associated also change names because converged characters have new figures in their story from the other figures used in compilation.
    Thus Shimon becomes Peter, Saul becomes Paul, Mattias becomes Matthew,
    Thadeus becomes James, etc

    Baal source:
    From a stone tablet discovered in Nineveh, Assyria,
    dated 700 B.C., now housed in The British Museum, referred to by officials as the
    Marduk's Ordeal tablet. Also known as the Baal Passion Play.
    Dec 25th birthdate=Baal
    Sun symbol cross=Baal
    Morning star and dying god mythology=son of Baal.

    Mithra: to many sources to list
    Discovered in Ireland a predated sickly man on a cross the type the Pope carried=Mithraic.
    Bascilica in Rome turned old Mithra temples into churches and kept the altar with the Mithraic cross.

    Esus=tri god

    Dagon=fishman god father of Baal predated tablet carvings seen in fishead mitres and scales on robes. Popes fishman ring.
    Idol that broke his hands off during his fall.

    Krishna was called Christos.

    Mary and Baby Jesus statues are actually predated
    Mother Isis(wife of Baal) and Baby Horus.

    Toooooooo Much to list!
  2. tinynascarfan

    tinynascarfan Senior Member

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    A 3 and a half year ministry, and He has sold more books than anyone else in all of history.

    Just 3 and a half years, and it's still going strong 2 millennia later.

    Rev. 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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  3. HaShev

    HaShev Gold Member

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    So you are saying the adversary (sawtawn) which was Rome got it's way when promising Jesus popularity and becoming higher then God? All they (Constantine) had to do with help from Eusebius was rewrite, tweek words, and create the resurrection story by Plagiarising The OT Rabbi Yohoshua ben Channaniah?
    But then whoever wrote Q the central source of the NT or Constantine would get the credit not Jesus nor the apostles who wrote nothing . In fact the writers of the Baal passion play should get more credit since they are plagiarizing predated mythologies.
    From a stone tablet discovered in Nineveh, Assyria, and
    dated 700 B.C., now housed in The British Museum,
    and referred to by British Museum officials as the
    Marduk's Ordeal tablet & also called the
    Baal passion play
    " the Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
    Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
    (1) Bel is taken prisoner;
    (2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
    (3) Bel is smitten;
    (4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
    (5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
    (6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
    the city breaks into tumult;
    (7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
    (8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
    (9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
    (10) Bel is brought back to life.

    Doubt what I say then why did you post
    Rev 22:17 without acknowledging Jesus being claimed Lucifer in the prior verse
    Rev 22:16?
    Morning Star is Baal's son and they say Father & son are one (in the same mythology)
    [See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)
    “So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19
    “... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
    · Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
    · I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

    Ishtars(easter) son was the Morning Star.
    It's easter for crying out loud- Hello!
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  4. tinynascarfan

    tinynascarfan Senior Member

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    There were so many predictions and prophesies of Jesus in the OT, it's no wonder that Satan was able to get so many of his followers to educate them, as how to educate you.

    Please, feel free to follow the false prophet moo-ham-ad, It wont bother me one bit, I'm not the one keeping score.

    Yet know in the interim of your life, that people of my faith will continue to feed the people of your faith, while the people of your faith continue to abuse, not only, the people of mine, but people of any faith or belief that differs from yours.
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  5. HaShev

    HaShev Gold Member

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    No there wasn't or you'd be able to list them.
    You refuse to list them, because then we can show you where they lied, took out of context, misread tenses, and outright changed words and Hebrew definitions.
    The only fulfillment in the OT was that of Lucifer. 100% all verses on son of perdition in Ezekiel 28 are fulfilled by Jesus and his fall to the pit which is what perdition means.
    Lucifer in Ezekiel 28 can only be Jesus, nobody was ever rediculously called perfect and a god nor came as first fallen Messiah.

    Ezekiel 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of [them that are] slain in the midst of the ‘seas’ (i.e.Rome). =Jesus 1 peter 3:19, Acts 2:27

    Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I [am] God? but thou [shalt be] a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee. =Jesus
    (John 8:57, 10:25-36, Psalm 82:1-8)
    Later he rose from the Pit declared as God fulfilling the AntiChrist warnings.

    Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart [is] lifted up, and thou hast said, I [am] a God, I sit [in] the seat of God, in the midst of the seas(Rome); yet thou [art] a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God (this is like how the Popes claim to be viceroy and gods in Rome, set up as imposters of the Jerusalem Temple and throne and TRUE Authority)

    Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the *king of Tyrus*(Tyrus meaning Rock, Jesus was the King of the Rock (the Church) and popular in TYRE according to the NT as in deemed a Prince of Tyre), and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
    (similar- Isaiah 44 talks about the carpenter making an idol of a beautiful man (sinless-whitewashed image)and placing it on walls in homes and bowing to it.)
    Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering,
    (The image of his man was formed from borrowed mythology of Mithra which came out of ancient persia thus literally been in the garden of eden describing the region in ancient Persia.)

    Ezekiel 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed (christ) cherub (guardian=nazarene) that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

    28:15 Thou [wast] perfect(sinless) in thy ways from the day that thou wast created(his image/icon was created with this intention), till iniquity was found in thee(till the information age exposed what the preachers avoided or whitewashed over).

    No other prophet was ever deemed perfect, nor called christ (anointed) Cherub(nazarei) therefore nobody but Jesus fulfills lucifer.
    Coming first as the first and fallen messiah should make it obvious enough as Lucifer comes first and is overturned by the Shiloh, (one who's right it is.) If jesus was Messiah there would be no Shiloh.
  6. Snouter

    Snouter Can You Smell Me

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    There were no "Christs," but there were several Jesus's and many jewish messiahs who all failed to successfully defeat the civilized governments they felt they should rebel against. Of course folks today who adopted the "jewish identity" occupy most Western governments directly or with surrogates, which is why they are going crazy about The Donald independently rising in popularity.
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    knock yourself out, here you go.
    1. Gen. 3:15 Seed of a woman (virgin birth) Galatians 4:4-5, Matthew 1:18
    2. Gen. 3:15 He will bruise Satan's head Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8
    3. Gen. 3:15 Christ's heel would be bruised with nails on the cross Matthew 27:35, Luke 24:39-40
    4. Gen. 5:24 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Mark 16:19, Rev. 12:5
    5. Gen. 9:26, 27 The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem Luke 3:23-36
    6. Gen. 12:3 Seed of Abraham will bless all nations Galatians 3:8, Acts 3:25, 26
    7. Gen. 12:7 The Promise made to Abraham's Seed Galatians 3:16
    8. Gen. 14:18 A priest after the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 6:20
    9. Gen. 14:18 King of Peace and Righteousness Hebrews 7:2
    10. Gen. 14:18 The Last Supper foreshadowed Matthew 26:26-29
    11. Gen. 17:19 Seed of Isaac (Gen. 21:12) Romans 9:7
    12. Gen. 22:8 The Lamb of God promised John 1:29
    13. Gen. 22:18 As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations Galatians 3:16
    14. Gen. 26:2-5 The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer Hebrews 11:18
    15. Gen. 28:12 The Bridge to heaven John 1:51
    16. Gen. 28:14 The Seed of Jacob Luke 3:34
    17. Gen. 49:10 The time of His coming Luke 2:1-7; Galatians 4:4
    18. Gen. 49:10 The Seed of Judah Luke 3:33
    19. Gen. 49:10 Called Shiloh or One Sent John 17:3
    20. Gen. 49:10 Messiah to come before Judah lost identity John 11:47-52
    21. Gen. 49:10 Unto Him shall the obedience of the people be John 10:16
    22. Ex. 3:13-15 The Great "I AM" John 4:26, 8:58
    23. Ex. 12:3-6 The Lamb presented to Israel 4 days before Passover Mark 11:7-11
    24. Ex. 12:5 A Lamb without blemish Hebrews 9:14; 1Peter 1:19
    25. Ex. 12:13 The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath Romans 5:8
    26. Ex. 12:21-27 Christ is our Passover 1Corinthians 5:7
    27. Ex. 12:46 Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken John 19:31-36
    28. Ex. 15:2 His exaltation predicted as Yeshua Acts 7:55, 56
    29. Ex. 15:11 His Character-Holiness Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
    30. Ex. 17:6 The Spiritual Rock of Israel 1Corinthians 10:4
    31. Ex. 33:19 His Character-Merciful Luke 1:72
    32. Lev. 1:2-9 His sacrifice a sweet smelling savor unto God Ephesians 5:2
    33. Lev. 14:11 The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood Luke 5:12-14; Acts 6:7
    34. Lev. 16:15-17 Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death Hebrews 9:7-14
    35. Lev. 16:27 Suffering outside the Camp Matthew 27:33; Heb. 13:11, 12
    36. Lev. 17:11 The Blood-the life of the flesh Matthew 26:28; Mark 10:45
    37. Lev. 17:11 It is the blood that makes atonement Rom. 3:23-24; 1John 1:7
    38. Lev. 23:36-37 The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst" John 7:37
    39. Num. 9:12 Not a bone of Him broken John 19:31-36
    40. Num. 21:9 The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up John 3:14-18, 12:32
    41. Num. 24:17 Time: "I shall see him, but not now." John 1:14; Galatians 4:4
    42. Deut. 18:15 "This is of a truth that prophet." John 6:14
    43. Deut. 18:15-16 "Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me." John 5:45-47
    44. Deut. 18:18 Sent by the Father to speak His word John 8:28, 29
    45. Deut. 18:19 Whoever will not hear must bear his sin Acts 3:22-23
    46. Deut. 21:23 Cursed is he that hangs on a tree Galatians 3:10-13
    47. Joshua 5:14-15 The Captain of our salvation Hebrews 2:10
    48. Ruth 4:4-10 Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us Ephesians 1:3-7
    49. 1 Sam. 2:35 A Faithful Priest Heb. 2:17, 3:1-3, 6, 7:24-25
    50. 1 Sam. 2:10 Shall be an anointed King to the Lord Mt. 28:18, John 12:15
    51. 2 Sam. 7:12 David's Seed Matthew 1:1
    52. 2 Sam. 7:13 His Kingdom is everlasting 2Peter 1:11
    53. 2 Sam. 7:14a The Son of God Luke 1:32, Romans 1:3-4
    54. 2 Sam. 7:16 David's house established forever Luke 3:31; Rev. 22:16
    55. 2 Ki. 2:11 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Luke 24:51
    56. 1 Chr. 17:11 David's Seed Matthew 1:1, 9:27
    57. 1 Chr. 17:12-13 To reign on David's throne forever Luke 1:32, 33
    58. 1 Chr. 17:13 "I will be His Father, Son." Hebrews 1:5
    59. Job 9:32-33 Mediator between man and God 1 Timothy 2:5
    60. Job 19:23-27 The Resurrection predicted John 5:24-29
    61. Psa. 2:1-3 The enmity of kings foreordained Acts 4:25-28
    62. Psa. 2:2 To own the title, Anointed (Christ) John 1:41, Acts 2:36
    63. Psa. 2:6 His Character-Holiness John 8:46; Revelation 3:7
    64. Psa. 2:6 To own the title King Matthew 2:2
    65. Psa. 2:7 Declared the Beloved Son Matthew 3:17, Romans 1:4
    66. Psa. 2:7, 8 The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated Acts 13:29-33
    67. Psa. 2:8, 9 Rule the nations with a rod of iron Rev. 2:27, 12:5, 19:15
    68. Psa. 2:12 Life comes through faith in Him John 20:31
    69. Psa. 8:2 The mouths of babes perfect His praise Matthew 21:16
    70. Psa. 8:5, 6 His humiliation and exaltation Hebrews 2:5-9
    71. Psa. 9:7-10 Judge the world in righteousness Acts 17:31
    72. Psa. 16:10 Was not to see corruption Acts 2:31, 13:35
    73. Psa. 16:9-11 Was to arise from the dead John 20:9
    74. Psa. 17:15 The resurrection predicted Luke 24:6
    75. Psa. 18:2-3 The horn of salvation Luke 1:69-71
    76. Psa. 22:1 Forsaken because of sins of others 2 Corinthians 5:21
    77. Psa. 22:1 "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46
    78. Psa. 22:2 Darkness upon Calvary for three hours Matthew 27:45
    79. Psa. 22:7 They shoot out the lip and shake the head Matthew 27:39-44
    80. Psa. 22:8 "He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him" Matthew 27:43
    81. Psa. 22:9-10 Born the Saviour Luke 2:7
    82. Psa. 22:12-13 They seek His death John 19:6
    83. Psa. 22:14 His blood poured out when they pierced His side John 19:34
    84. Psa. 22:14, 15 Suffered agony on Calvary Mark 15:34-37
    85. Psa. 22:15 He thirsted John 19:28
    86. Psa. 22:16 They pierced His hands and His feet John 19:34, 37; 20:27
    87. Psa. 22:17, 18 Stripped Him before the stares of men Luke 23:34, 35
    88. Psa. 22:18 They parted His garments John 19:23, 24
    89. Psa. 22:20, 21 He committed Himself to God Luke 23:46
    90. Psa. 22:20, 21 Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's heel Hebrews 2:14
    91. Psa. 22:22 His Resurrection declared John 20:17
    92. Psa. 22:27-28 He shall be the governor of the nations Colossians 1:16
    93. Psa. 22:31 "It is finished" John 19:30, Heb. 10:10, 12, 14, 18
    94. Psa. 23:1 "I am the Good Shepherd" John 10:11, 1Peter 2:25
    95. Psa. 24:3 His exaltation predicted Acts 1:11; Philippians 2:9
    96. Psa. 30:3 His resurrection predicted Acts 2:32
    97. Psa. 31:5 "Into thy hands I commit my spirit" Luke 23:46
    98. Psa. 31:11 His acquaintances fled from Him Mark 14:50
    99. Psa. 31:13 They took counsel to put Him to death Mt. 27:1, John 11:53
    100. Psa. 31:14, 15 "He trusted in God, let Him deliver him" Matthew 27:43
    101. Psa. 34:20 Not a bone of Him broken John 19:31-36
    102. Psa. 35:11 False witnesses rose up against Him Matthew 26:59
    103. Psa. 35:19 He was hated without a cause John 15:25
    104. Psa. 38:11 His friends stood afar off Luke 23:49
    105. Psa. 38:12 Enemies try to entangle Him by craft Mark 14:1, Mt. 22:15
    106. Psa. 38:12-13 Silent before His accusers Matthew 27:12-14
    107. Psa. 38:20 He went about doing good Acts 10:38
    108. Psa. 40:2-5 The joy of His resurrection predicted John 20:20
    109. Psa. 40:6-8 His delight-the will of the Father John 4:34, Heb. 10:5-10
    110. Psa. 40:9 He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel Matthew 4:17
    111. Psa. 40:14 Confronted by adversaries in the Garden John 18:4-6
    112. Psa. 41:9 Betrayed by a familiar friend John 13:18
    113. Psa. 45:2 Words of Grace come from His lips John 1:17, Luke 4:22
    114. Psa. 45:6 To own the title, God or Elohim Hebrews 1:8
    115. Psa. 45:7 A special anointing by the Holy Spirit Mt. 3:16; Heb. 1:9
    116. Psa. 45:7, 8 Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed) Luke 2:11
    117. Psa. 45:17 His name remembered forever Ephesians 1:20-21, Heb. 1:8
    118. Psa. 55:12-14 Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy John 13:18
    119. Psa. 55:15 Unrepentant death of the Betrayer Matthew 27:3-5; Acts 1:16-19
    120. Psa. 68:18 To give gifts to men Ephesians 4:7-16
    121. Psa. 68:18 Ascended into Heaven Luke 24:51
    122. Psa. 69:4 Hated without a cause John 15:25
    123. Psa. 69:8 A stranger to own brethren John 1:11, 7:5
    124. Psa. 69:9 Zealous for the Lord's House John 2:17
    125. Psa. 69:14-20 Messiah's anguish of soul before crucifixion Matthew 26:36-45
    126. Psa. 69:20 "My soul is exceeding sorrowful." Matthew 26:38
    127. Psa. 69:21 Given vinegar in thirst Matthew 27:34
    128. Psa. 69:26 The Saviour given and smitten by God John 17:4; 18:11
    129. Psa. 72:10, 11 Great persons were to visit Him Matthew 2:1-11
    130. Psa. 72:16 The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground John 12:24-25
    131. Psa. 72:17 Belief on His name will produce offspring John 1:12, 13
    132. Psa. 72:17 All nations shall be blessed by Him Galatians 3:8
    133. Psa. 72:17 All nations shall call Him blessed John 12:13, Rev. 5:8-12
    134. Psa. 78:1-2 He would teach in parables Matthew 13:34-35
    135. Psa. 78:2b To speak the Wisdom of God with authority Matthew 7:29
    136. Psa. 80:17 The Man of God's right hand Mark 14:61-62
    137. Psa. 88 The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary Matthew 27:26-50
    138. Psa. 88:8 They stood afar off and watched Luke 23:49
    139. Psa. 89:27 Firstborn Colossians 1:15, 18
    140. Psa. 89:27 Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings Luke 1:32, 33
    141. Psa. 89:35-37 David's Seed, throne, kingdom endure forever Luke 1:32, 33
    142. Psa. 89:36-37 His character-Faithfulness Revelation 1:5, 19:11
    143. Psa. 90:2 He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2) John 1:1
    144. Psa. 91:11, 12 Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ Luke 4:10, 11
    145. Psa. 97:9 His exaltation predicted Acts 1:11; Ephesians 1:20
    146. Psa. 100:5 His character-Goodness Matthew 19:16, 17
    147. Psa. 102:1-11 The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary John 19:16-30
    148. Psa. 102:25-27 Messiah is the Preexistent Son Hebrews 1:10-12
    149. Psa. 109:25 Ridiculed Matthew 27:39
    150. Psa. 110:1 Son of David Matthew 22:42-43
    151. Psa. 110:1 To ascend to the right-hand of the Father Mark 16:19
    152. Psa. 110:1 David's son called Lord Matthew 22:44, 45
    153. Psa. 110:4 A priest after Melchizedek's order Hebrews 6:20
    154. Psa. 112:4 His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al Matthew 9:36
    155. Psa. 118:17, 18 Messiah's Resurrection assured Luke 24:5-7; 1Cor. 15:20
    156. Psa. 118:22, 23 The rejected stone is Head of the corner Matthew 21:42, 43
    157. Psa. 118:26a The Blessed One presented to Israel Matthew 21:9
    158. Psa. 118:26b To come while Temple standing Matthew 21:12-15
    159. Psa. 132:11 The Seed of David (the fruit of His Body) Luke 1:32, Act 2:30
    160. Psa. 129:3 He was scourged Matthew 27:26
    161. Psa. 138:1-6 The supremacy of David's Seed amazes kings Matthew 2:2-6
    162. Psa. 147:3, 6 The earthly ministry of Christ described Luke 4:18
    163. Prov. 1:23 He will send the Spirit of God John 16:7
    164. Prov. 8:23 Foreordained from everlasting Rev. 13:8, 1Peter 1:19-20
    165. Song. 5:16 The altogether lovely One John 1:17
    166. Isa. 2:3 He shall teach all nations John 4:25
    167. Isa. 2:4 He shall judge among the nations John 5:22
    168. Isa. 6:1 When Isaiah saw His glory John 12:40-41
    169. Isa. 6:8 The One Sent by God John 12:38-45
    170. Isa. 6:9-10 Parables fall on deaf ears Matthew 13:13-15
    171. Isa. 6:9-12 Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words Acts 28:23-29
    172. Isa. 7:14 To be born of a virgin Luke 1:35
    173. Isa. 7:14 To be Emmanuel-God with us Matthew 1:18-23, 1Tim. 3:16
    174. Isa. 8:8 Called Emmanuel Matthew 28:20
    175. Isa. 8:14 A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense 1Peter 2:8
    176. Isa. 9:1, 2 His ministry to begin in Galilee Matthew 4:12-17
    177. Isa. 9:6 A child born-Humanity Luke 1:31
    178. Isa. 9:6 A Son given-Deity Luke 1:32, John 1:14, 1Tim. 3:16
    179. Isa. 9:6 Declared to be the Son of God with power Romans 1:3, 4
    180. Isa. 9:6 The Wonderful One, Peleh Luke 4:22
    181. Isa. 9:6 The Counsellor, Yaatz Matthew 13:54
    182. Isa. 9:6 The Mighty God, El Gibor 1Cor. 1:24, Titus 2:3
    183. Isa. 9:6 The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth John 8:58, 10:30
    184. Isa. 9:6 The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom John 16:33
    185. Isa. 9:7 To establish an everlasting kingdom Luke 1:32-33
    186. Isa. 9:7 His Character-Just John 5:30
    187. Isa. 9:7 No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace Luke 1:32-33
    188. Isa. 11:1 Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer Matthew 2:23
    189. Isa. 11:1 A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse Luke 3:23, 32
    190. Isa. 11:2 Anointed One by the Spirit Matthew 3:16, 17, Acts 10:38
    191. Isa. 11:2 His Character-Wisdom, Knowledge, et al Colossians 2:3
    192. Isa. 11:3 He would know their thoughts Luke 6:8, John 2:25
    193. Isa. 11:4 Judge in righteousness Acts 17:31
    194. Isa. 11:4 Judges with the sword of His mouth Rev. 2:16, 19:11, 15
    195. Isa. 11:5 Character: Righteous & Faithful Rev. 19:11
    196. Isa. 11:10 The Gentiles seek Him John 12:18-21
    197. Isa. 12:2 Called Jesus-Yeshua Matthew 1:21
    198. Isa. 22:22 The One given all authority to govern Revelation 3:7
    199. Isa. 25:8 The Resurrection predicted 1Corinthians 15:54
    200. Isa. 26:19 His power of Resurrection predicted Matthew 27:50-54
    201. Isa. 28:16 The Messiah is the precious corner stone Acts 4:11, 12
    202. Isa. 28:16 The Sure Foundation 1Corinthians 3:11, Mt. 16:18
    203. Isa. 29:13 He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word Matthew 15:7-9
    204. Isa. 29:14 The wise are confounded by the Word 1Corinthians 1:18-31
    205. Isa. 32:2 A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place Matthew 23:37
    206. Isa. 35:4 He will come and save you Matthew 1:21
    207. Isa. 35:5-6 To have a ministry of miracles Matthew 11:2-6
    208. Isa. 40:3, 4 Preceded by forerunner John 1:23
    209. Isa. 40:9 "Behold your God." John 1:36; 19:14
    210. Isa. 40:10. He will come to reward Revelation 22:12
    211. Isa. 40:11 A shepherd-compassionate life-giver John 10:10-18
    212. Isa. 42:1-4 The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer Matthew 12:18-21
    213. Isa. 42:2 Meek and lowly Matthew 11:28-30
    214. Isa. 42:3 He brings hope for the hopeless John 4
    215. Isa. 42:4 The nations shall wait on His teachings John 12:20-26
    216. Isa. 42:6 The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles Luke 2:32
    217. Isa. 42:1, 6 His is a worldwide compassion Matthew 28:19, 20
    218. Isa. 42:7 Blind eyes opened. John 9:25-38
    219. Isa. 43:11 He is the only Saviour. Acts 4:12
    220. Isa. 44:3 He will send the Spirit of God John 16:7, 13
    221. Isa. 45:21-25 He is Lord and Saviour Philippians 3:20, Titus 2:13
    222. Isa. 45:23 He will be the Judge John 5:22; Romans 14:11
    223. Isa. 46:9, 10 Declares things not yet done John 13:19
    224. Isa. 48:12 The First and the Last John 1:30, Revelation 1:8, 17
    225. Isa. 48:16, 17 He came as a Teacher John 3:2
    226. Isa. 49:1 Called from the womb-His humanity Matthew 1:18
    227. Isa. 49:5 A Servant from the womb. Luke 1:31, Philippians 2:7
    228. Isa. 49:6 He will restore Israel Acts 3:19-21, 15:16-17
    229. Isa. 49:6 He is Salvation for Israel Luke 2:29-32
    230. Isa. 49:6 He is the Light of the Gentiles John 8:12, Acts 13:47
    231. Isa. 49:6 He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth Acts 15:7-18
    232. Isa. 49:7 He is despised of the Nation John 1:11, 8:48-49, 19:14-15
    233. Isa. 50:3 Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation Luke 23:44, 45
    234. Isa. 50:4 He is a learned counselor for the weary Matthew 7:29, 11:28, 29
    235. Isa. 50:5 The Servant bound willingly to obedience Matthew 26:39
    236. Isa. 50:6a "I gave my back to the smiters." Matthew 27:26
    237. Isa. 50:6b He was smitten on the cheeks Matthew 26:67
    238. Isa. 50:6c He was spat upon Matthew 27:30
    239. Isa. 52:7 Published good tidings upon mountains Matthew 5:12,15:29,28:16
    240. Isa. 52:13 The Servant exalted Acts 1:8-11; Eph. 1:19-22, Php. 2:5-9
    241. Isa. 52:14 The Servant shockingly abused Luke 18:31-34; Mt. 26:67, 68
    242. Isa. 52:15 Nations startled by message of the Servant Luke 18:31-34; Mt. 26:67, 68
    243. Isa. 52:15 His blood shed sprinkles nations Hebrews 9:13-14, Rev. 1:5
    244. Isa. 53:1 His people would not believe Him John 12:37-38
    245. Isa. 53:2 Appearance of an ordinary man Philippians 2:6-8
    246. Isa. 53:3a Despised Luke 4:28-29
    247. Isa. 53:3b Rejected Matthew 27:21-23
    248. Isa. 53:3c Great sorrow and grief Matthew 26:37-38, Luke 19:41, Heb. 4:15
    249. Isa. 53:3d Men hide from being associated with Him Mark 14:50-52
    250. Isa. 53:4a He would have a healing ministry Matthew 8:16-17
    251. Isa. 53:4b Thought to be cursed by God Matthew 26:66, 27:41-43
    252. Isa. 53:5a Bears penalty for mankind's iniquities 2Cor. 5:21, Heb. 2:9
    253. Isa. 53:5b His sacrifice provides peace between man and God Colossians 1:20
    254. Isa. 53:5c His sacrifice would heal man of sin 1Peter 2:24
    255. Isa. 53:6a He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind 1John 2:2, 4:10
    256. Isa. 53:6b God's will that He bear sin for all mankind Galatians 1:4
    257. Isa. 53:7a Oppressed and afflicted Matthew 27:27-31
    258. Isa. 53:7b Silent before his accusers Matthew 27:12-14
    259. Isa. 53:7c Sacrificial lamb John 1:29, 1Peter 1:18-19
    260. Isa. 53:8a Confined and persecuted Matthew 26:47-27:31
    261. Isa. 53:8b He would be judged John 18:13-22
    262. Isa. 53:8c Killed Matthew 27:35
    263. Isa. 53:8d Dies for the sins of the world 1John 2:2
    264. Isa. 53:9a Buried in a rich man's grave Matthew 27:57
    265. Isa. 53:9b Innocent and had done no violence Luke 23:41, John 18:38
    266. Isa. 53:9c No deceit in his mouth 1Peter 2:22
    267. Isa. 53:10a God's will that He die for mankind John 18:11
    268. Isa. 53:10b An offering for sin Matthew 20:28, Galatians 3:13
    269. Isa. 53:10c Resurrected and live forever Romans 6:9
    270. Isa. 53:10d He would prosper John 17:1-5
    271. Isa. 53:11a God fully satisfied with His suffering John 12:27
    272. Isa. 53:11b God's servant would justify man Romans 5:8-9, 18-19
    273. Isa. 53:11c The sin-bearer for all mankind Hebrews 9:28
    274. Isa. 53:12a Exalted by God because of his sacrifice Matthew 28:18
    275. Isa. 53:12b He would give up his life to save mankind Luke 23:46
    276. Isa. 53:12c Numbered with the transgressors Mark 15:27-28
    277. Isa. 53:12d Sin-bearer for all mankind 1Peter 2:24
    278. Isa. 53:12e Intercede to God in behalf of mankind Luke 23:34, Rom. 8:34
    279. Isa. 55:3 Resurrected by God Acts 13:34
    280. Isa. 55:4a A witness John 18:37
    281. Isa. 55:4b He is a leader and commander Hebrews 2:10
    282. Isa. 55:5 God would glorify Him Acts 3:13
    283. Isa. 59:16a Intercessor between man and God Matthew 10:32
    284. Isa. 59:16b He would come to provide salvation John 6:40
    285. Isa. 59:20 He would come to Zion as their Redeemer Luke 2:38
    286. Isa. 60:1-3 He would shew light to the Gentiles Acts 26:23
    287. Isa. 61:1a The Spirit of God upon him Matthew 3:16-17
    288. Isa. 61:1b The Messiah would preach the good news Luke 4:16-21
    289. Isa. 61:1c Provide freedom from the bondage of sin John 8:31-36
    290. Isa. 61:1-2a Proclaim a period of grace Galatians 4:4-5
    291. Jer. 11:21 Conspiracy to kill Jesus John 7:1, Matthew 21:28
    292. Jer. 23:5-6 Descendant of David Luke 3:23-31
    293. Jer. 23:5-6 The Messiah would be both God and Man John 13:13, 1Ti 3:16
    294. Jer. 31:22 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18-20
    295. Jer. 31:31 The Messiah would be the new covenant Matthew 26:28
    296. Jer. 33:14-15 Descendant of David Luke 3:23-31
    297. Eze.34:23-24 Descendant of David Matthew 1:1
    298. Eze.37:24-25 Descendant of David Luke 1:31-33
    299. Dan. 2:44-45 The Stone that shall break the kingdoms Matthew 21:44
    300. Dan. 7:13-14a He would ascend into heaven Acts 1:9-11
    301. Dan. 7:13-14b Highly exalted Ephesians 1:20-22
    302. Dan. 7:13-14c His dominion would be everlasting Luke 1:31-33
    303. Dan. 9:24a To make an end to sins Galatians 1:3-5
    304. Dan. 9:24a To make reconciliation for iniquity Romans 5:10, 2Cor. 5:18-21
    305. Dan. 9:24b He would be holy Luke 1:35
    306. Dan. 9:25 His announcement John 12:12-13
    307. Dan. 9:26a Cut off Matthew 16:21, 21:38-39
    308. Dan. 9:26b Die for the sins of the world Hebrews 2:9
    309. Dan. 9:26c Killed before the destruction of the temple Matthew 27:50-51
    310. Dan. 10:5-6 Messiah in a glorified state Revelation 1:13-16
    311. Hos. 11:1 He would be called out of Egypt Matthew 2:15
    312. Hos. 13:14 He would defeat death 1Corinthians 15:55-57
    313. Joel 2:32 Offer salvation to all mankind Romans 10:9-13
    314. Jonah 1:17 Death and resurrection of Christ Matthew 12:40, 16:4
    315. Mic. 5:2a Born in Bethlehem Matthew 2:1-6
    316. Mic. 5:2b Ruler in Israel Luke 1:33
    317. Mic. 5:2c From everlasting John 8:58
    318. Hag. 2:6-9 He would visit the second Temple Luke 2:27-32
    319. Hag. 2:23 Descendant of Zerubbabel Luke 2:27-32
    320. Zech. 3:8 God's servant John 17:4
    321. Zech. 6:12-13 Priest and King Hebrews 8:1
    322. Zech. 9:9a Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem Matthew 21:8-10
    323. Zech. 9:9b Beheld as King John 12:12-13
    324. Zech. 9:9c The Messiah would be just John 5:30
    325. Zech. 9:9d The Messiah would bring salvation Luke 19:10
    326. Zech. 9:9e The Messiah would be humble Matthew 11:29
    327. Zech. 9:9f Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey Matthew 21:6-9
    328. Zech. 10:4 The cornerstone Ephesians 2:20
    329. Zech. 11:4-6a At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders Matthew 23:1-4
    330. Zech. 11:4-6b Rejection causes God to remove His protection Luke 19:41-44
    331. Zech. 11:4-6c Rejected in favor of another king John 19:13-15
    332. Zech. 11:7 Ministry to "poor," the believing remnant Matthew 9:35-36
    333. Zech. 11:8a Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them Matthew 23:33
    334. Zech. 11:8b Despised Matthew 27:20
    335. Zech. 11:9 Stops ministering to those who rejected Him Matthew 13:10-11
    336. Zech. 11:10-11a Rejection causes God to remove protection Luke 19:41-44
    337. Zech. 11:10-11b The Messiah would be God John 14:7
    338. Zech. 11:12-13a Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver Matthew 26:14-15
    339. Zech. 11:12-13b Rejected Matthew 26:14-15
    340. Zech. 11:12-13c Thirty pieces of silver cast in the house of the Lord Matthew 27:3-5
    341. Zech. 11:12-13d The Messiah would be God John 12:45
    342. Zech. 12:10a The Messiah's body would be pierced John 19:34-37
    343. Zech. 12:10b The Messiah would be both God and man John 10:30
    344. Zech. 12:10c The Messiah would be rejected John 1:11
    345. Zech. 13:7a God's will He die for mankind John 18:11
    346. Zech. 13:7b A violent death Mark 14:27
    347. Zech. 13:7c Both God and man John 14:9
    348. Zech. 13:7d Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him Matthew 26:31-56
    349. Zech. 14:4 He would return to the Mt. of Olives Acts 1:11-12
    350. Mal. 3:1a Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah Mark 1:1-8
    351. Mal. 3:1b Sudden appearance at the temple Mark 11:15-16
    352. Mal. 3:1c Messenger of the new covenant Luke 4:43
    353. Mal. 3:6 The God who changes not Hebrews 13:8
    354. Mal. 4:5 Forerunner in spirit of Elijah Mt. 3:1-3, 11:10-14, 17:11-13
    355. Mal. 4:6 Forerunner would turn many to righteousness Luke 1:16-17[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
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  8. HaShev

    HaShev Gold Member

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    I've addressed these many times in many forums & they can be found doing a forum search here of false placement of Jesus using your standard ones like Isaiah 53 past plural context being about Israel mentioned 14 times as the servant.
    Jesus was popular according to the NT therefore can't be despised without saying the NT lies.
    1) no pastor, preacher, priest, theology scholar ever has refutted or rebutted my disclosure of these false 300 verses.
    2)they are not arguments against Jesus fulfilling Lucifer and claiming to be Lucifer or changing his being Baal's son and plagiarized mythology. You have to call Jesus himself a liar which makes this "check mate"! You can't move or lie your way out without giving up your king.
    3)a rooster fulfilled as many verses as Jesus that post can also be found in this forum.
    4)I fulfilled over 1200 verses 4x as many as your falacious attempt at placement. Therefore you are calling me Moshiach and Jesus the false messiah.
    Unlike your attempt at placing Lucifer as Messiah I actually fulfill the actual Moshiach prerequisites to secret the name that you conveniently miss.
    "The Name"(HaShem)of God will be in his name-(EXODUS 23:20-21 & Hebrew Version of Micah 4:5)

    Moshiach lifts the veil from our eyes.-Isaiah 25:7.

    Moshiach must have his name in
    "the bible" (Mikra)-Melakim
    {I Kings8:43} Torah-Devarim 14:22

    The Torah portions(Miketz,Shevitz)must
    carry his first and last name.
    Helps to know Hebrew; MIKEtz-
    (Ketz; lit., `end': a particularly auspicious time for Mashiach to bring the exile to an end)

    The name must be in the Temple (Mikdash)-
    Melakim {I Kings8:43}(2Chronicles6)
    Ma'aser Sheni in the Torah says
    About tithing the produced food and eating it at the Temple:
    “at the site that He shall choose to place His Name”
    and the name must be in
    the holy city of YeruShalem.
    -(1 Kings 11:36 &in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
    The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75)
    Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11)

    The name must be remembered by the Sheva (7th) day kept holy.

    The name must be revealed in all cultures to come together as one(Y'shv,Shiva,proper transliteration of Shalem, Al Laila,Mikado).
    The first and last name and secret name will be revealed in the Bible(Dan 10:20-21 in Hebrew carries both).
    The Moshiach must come from the Aaronic Lineage.-scrolls: lQS lX, ll which seems to be fragment omitted from 4QSe(4Q259).

    The name must be of the remover of the devil and his works. The person must know the secret of returning to his inheritance. Must know and be a catalyst for process of messaging and a catalyst for the Tikkun Olam and resurrection process and involved in the movement to build the Temple. Has to be involved in being an intercessor, mediator, remover, archstrategist, fascilitstor, teacher, judge etc....
    None of these things have Jesus by name or deeds.

    Let's review some of your list to show where the father of lies "DECEIVED YOU".
    First you used Zech 12:10 even after I exposed how itcs not messianic & proved me right. It's one of the nost harmful verses to claim because it discusses 2 seperate people -one pierced but the other mourned=2 people confused for each other and thus mourning the wrong one..By posting this through cut and paste instead of reading it in the Tanakh means you agree with me over your false christ worship.
    But also this proves you are dishonest, lazy, and canct comprehend what you read to be able to discuss these subjects.
    You listed Zech 12:10 more then a few times to pad your total verses count=dishonesty.
    you also use NT verses self testifying after fact is not prophecy fulfilled=dishonesty numbers padding.
    You also use non messianic verses=dishonesty and ignorance especially since you leave out all the basic manditory prerequisites.
    Furthermore you can't place Jesus everywhere it says pierced or place the word where it says at my hands and feet not pierced in Psalms. Reason is you are subjected to even standard, so when Isaiah calls the dragon pierced you equate Jesus=dragon. Brilliant, your logic and fallacious attempts shot your king in the foot.

    The lie you were given about Matthew on Micah 5:
    1)the gender is wrong to be about a town
    2) it says Bethlehem Ephratah not just Bethlehem. Ephratah was a father or grandfather of Bethlehem, the context clearly is about a lineage thus says the word CLAN.
    If Jesus were who you claime he would need no lies to place him and yet all 300 verses are lies and you yourself willingly lied for Jesus. Meaning you exposed that even you donct believe in him otherwise you would not feel the need to be so outright blatantly dishonest.

    Dan 9 is answered in many posts including recent one: read it carefully it says
    "an anointed" not the anointed one, kings were anointed "an anointed" implies one of many kings or anointed rabbis even high priests. King Onnias(spell?) was an anointed king cut off by Antiochus the wicked one.

    Isaiah 53=Israel for reaspns I discussed and can go further on but space limited.

    Isaiah 7&9 is about King Hezekiah who was the child born to the "Young Woman" as a sign for Ahaz when Ahaz was alive not 600 years later where a sohn does a dead person no good-duh!
    He had his father's gov't upon his shoulder, was a father figure and had God with them (Emmanuel) in defeating Assyria (context of Isaiah chapters), thus was called the prince of Peace. Jesus kingdom has thousands of wars and over 50 million murders a far cry from peace.

    Due to limited space I will stop there as itcs quite clear you've been duped. To deny it would be to say your NT lied in saying 1/3 Would be deceived and fall with Lucifer.
    You'd also call Jesus a liar when he said many would come in his name (representing his teachings) saying he is the Christ ('cause he's speaking "I" means him not another) and deceiving many.
    You've been lied to about tenses throughout the Bible and your poor reading skills in regards to tenses like singular or plural, past present or future, third person or first person tense destroyed your ability to discern fact from fallacious claims. Not knowing Hebrew and proper transliteration also caused you to blot out the name of the Shiloh while devoting to a name never known in the Bible.

    Epic Fail for that 1/3 who fell for Lucifer.
  9. shimon

    shimon Silver Member

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    The Humorous dumping of 300 posts where Lucifer/Jesus supposedly fits in the jewish scriptures can be easily refuted using a simple analogy.... A man walks through the forest and as he is casually walking along he comes up to a tree with a bullseye and an arrow perfectly placed in the middle of the bullseye there are no other marks or knicks in the tree....The man is astounded at the tremendous feat of markmanship he continues on his way and again finds another tree with the exact same result shaking his head in amazement he continues walking and finds tree after tree with the same result finally he comes apon a man with a bow and arrow preparing to shoot his arrow into a tree..... He runs up to him and says "are you the one getting bullseye after bullseye with your arrows how can you be such an amazing bowman"...... The man looks down rather sheepishly and explains it is not that he is such a great bowman but that first he shoots the arrow and then he paints the bullseye around it..Clever, deceptive and completely dishonest... That is how christians and their lot get a bullsye in every passage that they paint their Jesus/Lucifer in the hebrew scriptures by working backwards and placing him in places that he seems to fit....It shows what a fine group they are and if their Jesus/Lucifer doesnt fit the passage they try to deceptively change the words to their liking that is why they have so many versions of the same books even though we are told to neither add nor delete anything to the scriptures....Wink Wink
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  10. HaShev

    HaShev Gold Member

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    Can you believe they had this on the list?
    46. Deut. 21:23 Cursed is he that hangs on a tree Galatians 3:10-13

    I always note this in my posts because
    1) it means he's cursed and means they are made a curse of him.
    2) it shows they are worshiping the Hanged on a tree christ son of the Harlot Mary of 100bc and not the Pierced and crucified Galilean christ or Jordan River AD era christ.
    They admit 2 stories one stoned and hanged as per Yeshu of 100bc, but also crucified like Yehuda the Galilean and
    Theudas. This means in conjunction with their abuse of Zech 12:10 they (ROME)pierce Yehuda or Theudas but mourn for Yeshu AND even the anti RCC Christians mourn for Yeshu and follow the Harlot's son.

    Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew (stoned)and hanged on a tree" Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree" Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree" 1 Peter 2:24 "who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree" Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deuteronomy 21:22.

    The only hanged christ at passover, was Yeshu of 100bc.
    So you refuse to answer who your historical Christ is because
    1)you don't know
    2)you don't care (exact words by many).

    Research Yeshu ben Panderas (pantheras) or Yeshu ben Stada from his mother's name, that is your Historical Christ and he is but a small portion of the image you call Jesus. Now you know why Isay he is not historical, the figures making up his image are but that doesn't make Jesus real or singular historical. If Peter Griffin is made up of many real characters and fictional characteristics it doesn't make
    Peter Griffen real or historical. If Seth wrote Peter Griffen escaped the grim reaper or raised back from the dead it doesn't mean it happened. If Seth writes a Star Wars Episode of Family Guy Plagiarising Star Wars it doesn't mean it is real or Happened. Know the source of the story, the intent and use, and the past reputation of the keepers of the story and how they keep their story straight through force instead of truth.
    NT is like a poorly plagiarised cartoon character and it's an embarassment that our elect act like Santa is real and gum drops come out his stool..

    Jesus (lucifer) is your curse.
    If not then explain the thousand wars and over 50 million murders in his name.
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