The manipulated GOP voter: "get your government hands off my medicare"

Londoner

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When the GOP wanted to defeat Obama-Care, they convinced seniors that Obama was going to cut their Medicare. The GOP pretended to be defenders of Medicare, the Holy Grail of Liberal Social Programs, which is thoroughly dependent on progressive taxation.

But everyone knows that the Republican Party wants to end Big Government entitlements like Social Security and Medicare. They want to tear at the fabric that allows middle class families to give their children a portion of the resources of those born wealthy.

The benefits of Medicare
When middle class families are not destroyed by their parent's health costs, they have more money for consumption (to drive the economy), and more money to invest in their children's education (a.k.a. upward mobility).

Question.

Do Republican seniors who depend upon and want Medicare understand that they are sheep being lead to slaughter?

Have Republicans created a base of voters who don't understand that their leaders are creating a world of concentrated wealth (enabled by massive tax breaks), where a small elite uses that wealth not to create jobs (which they're shipping to dictator-countries in the 3rd world) but to manipulate the American political process? Does the GOP voter understand that concentrated wealth is concentrated political power? When the money doesn't trickle down into American jobs (which it hasn't since globalization freed American capital to go to the 3rd world), than that money trickles into politics, that is, the money that was supposed to trickle down becomes concentrated political power. [The GOP voter does understand that they have created the very concentrated power they detest. They have handed this country to a small group of corporations who now fund elections and staff government. Goodbye representative democracy, hello lobbying industrial complex]

How is it possible that Republican seniors believed that the GOP was going to save their Medicare? Has the GOP created a media machine so powerful that they can get people to vote against their economic interests?

The ability of Republicans to win geriatric Medicare-dependent states like Florida in 2012 will depend on a very effective network of lies and distortions. A world where Osama morphs into Hussein, and oil geopolitics is covered-up by banal cliches like "Freedom is on the march". This is a world where the government policies that saved Reagan's family in the 40s are re-branded as evil socialism. This is a world where naive voters are fed strategic wedge issues and "culture war" rhetoric to distract them from a very real class war: the GOP is handing the country to a small group of corporations and shareholders. How does the GOP do it? How do they give all the power to a small group of corporations and shareholders while convincing everyone else that they stand for average people?

[Remember how Reagan, in 1984, strategically used the culture war to peel northern catholic union workers from the Democratic Party: "Reagan Democrats". Reagan went into the heart of union country and convinced union families that he was their leader. Then, 30 years later, his Revolution took dead aim at unions. Reagan lead those sheep to slaughter. The GOP has turned this into an art]
 
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I want medicare??????? Really?????????

I want it all gone! Social Security, welfare, all of this crap. If is isn't in the Constitutionm, the federal government shouldn't be involved in it.

Period!
 
I want medicare??????? Really?????????

I want it all gone! Social Security, welfare, all of this crap. If is isn't in the Constitutionm, the federal government shouldn't be involved in it.

Period!

I guess you're ready to dissolve the Air Force, eh?
 
If Congress wants cut back why don't they do their jobs cheaper. Leave us Senior Citizens alone. Government shut down., give me a break. Stop paying congress people. Their useless anyway. Why spend millions of dollars getting elected to those jobs, to make a small amout, NO WAY, they line their pockets & take from the old & poor who are jobless, losing their homes. They live in mansions compared to us on fixed incomes. Seniors have a right to get what we paid in all our lives for. Leave social security alone & use your savings to live off of instead on ours. I would love to run this country just for a short time. Congress members are useless & we pay them to take from us. We could feed alot of people with what we waste on overseas jurks that hate us anyway. Take a paycut congressmen & woman..This country is heading like all the others with protest & demands if it keeps going. We live in a wonderful country but too much is being taken from the normal people by the stinking rich Congress & President. GOD BE WITH YOU ALL & HOPE SOMEDAY YOU HAVE TO LIVE POOR LIKE US TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
 
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I want medicare??????? Really?????????

I want it all gone! Social Security, welfare, all of this crap. If is isn't in the Constitutionm, the federal government shouldn't be involved in it.

Period!

I guess you're ready to dissolve the Air Force, eh?

Once upon a time, the Air force was part of the Army (During WWII). Let it go back there if you are so concerned.

:lol::lol::lol:
 
Those people fucking paid in. Stop trying to steal shit from people, you fucking cowards.

CG, you are delusional.

No one "paid in." There isn't any "lock box!"

The money was spent! That's the scam of it!

But just because they were ripped off doesn't mean we need to KEEP ripping everyone off.

Like all pyramid schemes, sooner or later it has to stop, before it brings everyone down.
 
Those people fucking paid in. Stop trying to steal shit from people, you fucking cowards.

CG, you are delusional.

No one "paid in." There isn't any "lock box!"

The money was spent! That's the scam of it!

But just because they were ripped off doesn't mean we need to KEEP ripping everyone off.

Like all pyramid schemes, sooner or later it has to stop, before it brings everyone down.

People paid.... they get told 'hey, don't worry, medicare will take care of you'. Now, you think you can just say.... what exactly? 'April fool'? Fine, scrap it. No problem.... but scrap it in stages so that people can plan for it.
 
The FCC is useless.
The FDA serves a purpose.
The FAA I am sure could be privatized and more efficient.
 
Those people fucking paid in. Stop trying to steal shit from people, you fucking cowards.

CG, you are delusional.

No one "paid in." There isn't any "lock box!"

The money was spent! That's the scam of it!

But just because they were ripped off doesn't mean we need to KEEP ripping everyone off.

Like all pyramid schemes, sooner or later it has to stop, before it brings everyone down.

People paid.... they get told 'hey, don't worry, medicare will take care of you'. Now, you think you can just say.... what exactly? 'April fool'? Fine, scrap it. No problem.... but scrap it in stages so that people can plan for it.

Go lefty, go.
 
Those people fucking paid in. Stop trying to steal shit from people, you fucking cowards.

CG, you are delusional.

No one "paid in." There isn't any "lock box!"

The money was spent! That's the scam of it!

But just because they were ripped off doesn't mean we need to KEEP ripping everyone off.

Like all pyramid schemes, sooner or later it has to stop, before it brings everyone down.

People paid.... they get told 'hey, don't worry, medicare will take care of you'. Now, you think you can just say.... what exactly? 'April fool'? Fine, scrap it. No problem.... but scrap it in stages so that people can plan for it.

CG my sister is a breast cancer survivor, her husband is permanently disabled and she is getting told she can't collectively bargain (in Ohio) now. The state agreed to those benefits and now they are gone.

I love my sister, but if the state is broke the state is broke.

You can cry all you want about promises made BUT THE MONEY IS GONE!

All pyramid schemes end up this way. Just because the state or federal government is running it, doesn't make it any better.

Is it wrong? You bet. Should have never been started.

Does that change what has to happen now? No! We can't keep going full tilt with a broken system because it might be "unfair" to people.

If we don't do something you, your kids, your grand kids, and their grand kids are going to be owing every thing they make to China.
 
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Once upon a time, the Air force was part of the Army (During WWII). Let it go back there if you are so concerned.

:lol::lol::lol:

The Army stops being an army, as the constitution understands it, the moment it stops operating in the manner in which the constitution understood it to operate. You're want to invoke the constitution, but yet you want to completely disregard it all at the same time? Your comments and views lack any relevance with that kind of inherently contradictory nature.
 
Once upon a time, the Air force was part of the Army (During WWII). Let it go back there if you are so concerned.

:lol::lol::lol:

The Army stops being an army, as the constitution understands it, the moment it stops operating in the manner in which the constitution understood it to operate. You're want to invoke the constitution, but yet you want to completely disregard it all at the same time? Your comments and views lack any relevance with that kind of inherently contradictory nature.

If you can find in the constitution that the army is solely limited to ground forces, do let me know.

Until then, you are making an argument that does not exist.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
you must be under 55, if the bill comes to fruition to be affected....hello.

and for those that soon forget; Sibelius finally after months and months of denial from the admin. that yes, they did double count medicare "savings"....and the doctor fix? whats up with that? its a rank mess thats what up with that.
 
I love my sister, but if the state is broke the state is broke.

You can cry all you want about promises made BUT THE MONEY IS GONE!

Well, since that's a valid argument, I'll use it to get out of my car payment.

If you can show where the government signed on the dotted line, then you have your argument.

But I hate to break it to you, Jimmy Carter broke collective bargaining rights away from federal workers in 1978. It's only happening now to state workers.

If you can show me where the government can't do that, do let me know.
 
I love my sister, but if the state is broke the state is broke.

You can cry all you want about promises made BUT THE MONEY IS GONE!

Well, since that's a valid argument, I'll use it to get out of my car payment.

Go right ahead. Quit making your car payment. Please. Go show them.

The OP is an asshole, of course. For starters no one ever said "keep the government's hands off my medicare."
Secondly, the GOP is trying to save Medicare. The Dems want to destroy it and replace with a single payer system (socialized medicine) for everyone. Anyone who can't see that has not been paying attention.
 
If you can show where the government signed on the dotted line, then you have your argument.

But I hate to break it to you, Jimmy Carter broke collective bargaining rights away from federal workers in 1978. It's only happening now to state workers.

If you can show me where the government can't do that, do let me know.

I'll use that argument too. When the finance company tries to press the issue, I'll start rambling about completely irrelevant and unrelated topics.
 

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