The Looming Threat of Socialism

[elvis]

I just don't like it when dems try to act like their side was innocent. Didn't Biden have the same intel that Bush had?

Possibly. But where does the buck stop?

Well, Congress holds the purse and held the "authority to give authority". and truman was one of the worst presidents ever.

 

[Dr Grump]

Nope, referring to Rumsfeld and Bush and the other cabal.

You seem to be a bit confused on how our government works. Bush can shoot off his mouth all he wants...but it takes Congress to pass laws authorizing the President to conduct a war and fund it. Now if we look at who controlled the Senate in 2002 when the Iraq War Resolution was passed you will see that placing the entire blame on Bush and Rumsfeld is in fact PARTISAN...the very thing you want everyone to think you hate so much.

Oh, right, so if there is a Repub Pres, generally the GoP members of Congress don't follow his lead?? Sure....pssssttt...I got this bridge in Brooklyn you might like to buy...

 

[Dr Grump]

I just don't like it when dems try to act like their side was innocent. Didn't Biden have the same intel that Bush had?

Possibly. But where does the buck stop?

Well, Congress holds the purse and held the "authority to give authority". and truman was one of the worst presidents ever.

Don't know enough about Truman, but I've heard other Yanks say he was great...shrug..

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Nope, referring to Rumsfeld and Bush and the other cabal.

You seem to be a bit confused on how our government works. Bush can shoot off his mouth all he wants...but it takes Congress to pass laws authorizing the President to conduct a war and fund it. Now if we look at who controlled the Senate in 2002 when the Iraq War Resolution was passed you will see that placing the entire blame on Bush and Rumsfeld is in fact PARTISAN...the very thing you want everyone to think you hate so much.

Oh, right, so if there is a Repub Pres, generally the GoP members of Congress don't follow his lead?? Sure....pssssttt...I got this bridge in Brooklyn you might like to buy...

Ahhhh...once again you don't have your facts correct. The Democrats controlled the Senate in 2002 when the Iraq War Resolution was passed without debate. Sen. Dick Durbin admitted that they were aware that 2 sets of intelligence were being used to make a case against Saddam...yet the Democrat controlled Senate voted in favor of war.

Now.....like I said.....we have a system of checks and balances in our government. It was a collosal failure of ALL involved....not the partisan picture you want to paint.

 

[Dr Grump]

Now.....like I said.....we have a system of checks and balances in our government. It was a collosal failure of ALL involved....not the partisan picture you want to paint.

And yet I am the one who has criticised members from both parties in this thread. You have done the same where? Who's the partisan again?

 

[Lumpy 1]

Don't throw stones in a glass house Grump......and excuses are like assholes...everyone's got one and most of the time they stink.

So you don't know if Maori are discriminated against or not, you just post BS? Nothing new there.

As I said, don't open your big yaps at the rest of the world and maybe we won't notice you.

What excuses am I making and about what?

Y'know, for someone with such a big mouth, you sure as shit can't back things up. Just another loser troll neocon....ah well, plenty of them in these parts

On a side note, we lived in Hamilton, North Island when I was a kid. Where do you live...?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Now.....like I said.....we have a system of checks and balances in our government. It was a collosal failure of ALL involved....not the partisan picture you want to paint.

And yet I am the one who has criticised members from both parties in this thread. You have done the same where? Who's the partisan again?

Ya...tsk tsk meanie democrat ASSHOLE BUSH ASSHOLE RUMSFELD

Don't patronize me with your phony criticism of "both parties" and claims of non partisanship. YOU clearly have shown where you stand and if it were any further to the left your nose would be right up Stalin's ass..

I on the other hand never claimed to be non partisan...so yes...who's really being honest here? It certainly isn't you.

 

[Dr Grump]

Ya...tsk tsk meanie democrat ASSHOLE BUSH ASSHOLE RUMSFELD

Don't patronize me with your phony criticism of "both parties" and claims of non partisanship. YOU clearly have shown where you stand and if it were any further to the left your nose would be right up Stalin's ass..

I on the other hand never claimed to be non partisan...so yes...who's really being honest here? It certainly isn't you.

I do think there is enough blame to go around but I certainly give about 80 percent of the blame Bush's way for sure. After all, you loons are blaming Obama for everything, from the death of Bambi's mum to the hemmoroids up your arse.

Only in looney, US, right-wing, neocon whackjob Land am I a leftie. To the other 90 percent of the US and the rest of the world I'm a bona fide centrist. I have about as much in common with Stalin as you do with Mahatma Ghandhi...

 

[jillian]

Send an email to Obama and Hillary expressing your displeasure Mr. Isolationist....otherwise butt out.

Why should I? They're not the sabre rattlers....

I'll butt out if you stop talking about Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba...yadda, yadda, yadda....

except hillary voted for Iraq, as did most of Obama's staff. and Obama's stance on Cuba virtually the same as every president since Kennedy.

I HATE when people on the right misrepresent that. They did NOT vote for him to go into Iraq. That was always supposed to be a last ditch, all else fails, we'll just give this guy the leverage he needs to leverage his DIPLOMATIC efforts thing. He was supposed to go back to Congress AFTER those diplomatic efforts; give reports; allow the oversight. The pos skipped all those parts and just invaded a country that wasn't a threat to us... for NO reason.

 

[elvis]

Why should I? They're not the sabre rattlers....

I'll butt out if you stop talking about Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba...yadda, yadda, yadda....

except hillary voted for Iraq, as did most of Obama's staff. and Obama's stance on Cuba virtually the same as every president since Kennedy.

I HATE when people on the right misrepresent that. They did NOT vote for him to go into Iraq. That was always supposed to be a last ditch, all else fails, we'll just give this guy the leverage he needs to leverage his DIPLOMATIC efforts thing. He was supposed to go back to Congress AFTER those diplomatic efforts; give reports; allow the oversight. The pos skipped all those parts and just invaded a country that wasn't a threat to us... for NO reason.

hillary didn't say it was for no reason at the time. in fact, she agreed with it. as did half of Obama's staff.

 

[jillian]

hillary didn't say it was for no reason at the time. in fact, she agreed with it. as did half of Obama's staff.

again... a misrepresentation. when they gave him the power to invade, it was with a lot of pre-conditions and for a specific purpose. Hans Blix saying the inspections were on track was ignored by baby bush and his cabal because he ceded his foreign policy authority to a bunch of neo-con loons like cheney and rummy.

or are you saying they said "go ahead, george, invade and occupy a sovereign country that isn't threatening us".

what was purportedly the reason for the need for military authority?

answer: TO LEVERAGE INSPECTIONS... which it DID.

 

[elvis]

hillary didn't say it was for no reason at the time. in fact, she agreed with it. as did half of Obama's staff.

again... a misrepresentation. when they gave him the power to invade, it was with a lot of pre-conditions and for a specific purpose. Hans Blix saying the inspections were on track was ignored by baby bush and his cabal because he ceded his foreign policy authority to a bunch of neo-con loons like cheney and rummy.

or are you saying they said "go ahead, george, invade and occupy a sovereign country that isn't threatening us".

what was purportedly the reason for the need for military authority?

answer: TO LEVERAGE INSPECTIONS... which it DID.

Hillary's rhetoric, as well as Biden's and Emanuel's doesn't match what you are saying. The fine print might, though.