The Liz Warren Model: White Man with 4% African DNA Registers His Business as Minority-Owned

[flacaltenn]

You all created the one-drop rule. If it was good enough to deny them rights then it is good enough to gain them rights, wouldn’t you agree?

Mixed Race America - Who Is Black? One Nation's Definition | Jefferson's Blood | FRONTLINE | PBS

Dims created the one drop rule.

Conservative white rightwingers created it.

You're full of shit.

Scumbag Democrats created it. Own it, kunt.

You are a disgusting excuse of humanity. Conservatives created it. Own it.

(or explain how the south magically transformed from a liberal bastion of evil to a conservative utopia overnight).

It was REGIONAL --- not political.. You're framing the politics back then with political words that didn't really exist..

ALL of America was mostly "liberal" in those days.. We CREATED a liberal country... But there are NO LIBERALS LEFT in America in EITHER of the left/right parties... NONE --- outside of Independents and the Libertarian party... Trust me on that....

 

[whitehall]

Why should racial identity be included in registering a business in Mass? Isn't that racist? If you can legally change your sexual identity despite DNA why can't you identify as the the race you like (despite your DNA)?

 

[bripat9643]

Dims created the one drop rule.

Conservative white rightwingers created it.

Not by modern word usage.

You live in a fantasy bubble.

You should probably stop talking or doing anything else that proves just how stupid and ignorant you are

Conservatives today, are all about conserving the Enlightenment era principles of the Founding Fathers.

That is the reality of modern day "conservative white rightwingers" and if you think otherwise, YOU are the one living in the fantasy bubble.


You're a pretty cool person, what with the way that everything you believe is good and pure,and the way you fight against people who are basically so evul that they are orcs, aren't you?

Principmes which excluded women, blacks and native americans.

There are no such programs. They're illegal.

 

[Coyote]

You all created the one-drop rule. If it was good enough to deny them rights then it is good enough to gain them rights, wouldn’t you agree?

Mixed Race America - Who Is Black? One Nation's Definition | Jefferson's Blood | FRONTLINE | PBS

Dims created the one drop rule.

Conservative white rightwingers created it.

You're full of shit.

Scumbag Democrats created it. Own it, kunt.

You are a disgusting excuse of humanity. Conservatives created it. Own it.

(or explain how the south magically transformed from a liberal bastion of evil to a conservative utopia overnight).

It was REGIONAL --- not political.. You're framing the politics back then with political words that didn't really exist..

ALL of America was mostly "liberal" in those days.. We CREATED a liberal country... But there are NO LIBERALS LEFT in America in EITHER of the left/right parties... NONE --- outside of Independents and the Libertarian party... Trust me on that....

I would disagree. All of America was really a federation of different nation-states comprised of wildly different cultures and values which were by no means mostly liberal even in the classic definition of the term. Those values came out of the group that settled settled New England and spread somewhat west. Those same liberal values also imposed the concept of collective responsibility. The cultures that settled the south initially, and the culture that settled the greater Appalachians were completely different. They were conservative, deeply evangelical, small federal government, deeply suspicious of the federal government and of the do-gooder “we know what’s best” attitude of the New Englanders. They were economically and culturally invested in the institution and class system of slavery. They voted rightwing and conservative. They voted Democrat until the Dems betrayed them then the Republicans stepped in and took the south.

We did not create a liberal country. Those liberal ideals were regional.

 

[Coyote]

Conservative white rightwingers created it.

Not by modern word usage.

You live in a fantasy bubble.

You should probably stop talking or doing anything else that proves just how stupid and ignorant you are

Conservatives today, are all about conserving the Enlightenment era principles of the Founding Fathers.

That is the reality of modern day "conservative white rightwingers" and if you think otherwise, YOU are the one living in the fantasy bubble.


You're a pretty cool person, what with the way that everything you believe is good and pure,and the way you fight against people who are basically so evul that they are orcs, aren't you?

Principmes which excluded women, blacks and native americans.

There are no such programs. They're illegal.

The enlightment era principles did not include those that I mentioned.

 

[flacaltenn]

I would disagree. All of America was really a federation of different nation-states comprised of wildly different cultures and values which were by no means mostly liberal even in the classic definition of the term.

All of the people who designed this country were 18th century Enlightment liberals.. Name a "conservative" existing at the Constitutional Convention..

They DIFFERED in the design of a TRULY Liberal country with no precedent in History for what they arrived at...

Even tho states had religious clauses and other things you THINK were conservative, that only reflects the desire for "diversity" and freedom of religion..

We're way into the woods on this and unless you got names, we should agree to do this elsewhere..

But you ask how the "liberal" southern Dems who fought for slavery could transform themselves into conservatives.. That would be the same as asking you why the "Party of Lincoln" (1st real Republican) who freed slaves and in the 60s were the key swing votes for the CRA ---- can NOW ---- all be called racists...

The great grandsons of those "dixiecrats" are STILL LOYAL dems.. It's just that their party has turned their backs on them and allowed them to wither away with no representation or power...

 

[Coyote]

I would disagree. All of America was really a federation of different nation-states comprised of wildly different cultures and values which were by no means mostly liberal even in the classic definition of the term.

All of the people who designed this country were 18th century Enlightment liberals.. Name a "conservative" existing at the Constitutional Convention..

They DIFFERED in the design of a TRULY Liberal country with no precedent in History for what they arrived at...

Even tho states had religious clauses and other things you THINK were conservative, that only reflects the desire for "diversity" and freedom of religion..

We're way into the woods on this and unless you got names, we should agree to do this elsewhere..

But you ask how the "liberal" southern Dems who fought for slavery could transform themselves into conservatives.. That would be the same as asking you why the "Party of Lincoln" (1st real Republican) who freed slaves and in the 60s were the key swing votes for the CRA ---- can NOW ---- all be called racists...

The great grandsons of those "dixiecrats" are STILL LOYAL dems.. It's just that their party has turned their backs on them and allowed them to wither away with no representation or power...

You should read American Nations. It is well worth it, a good read. By no means did they all want a liberal country. Each culture had different ambitions. And the great grandsons of those Dixiecrats? The are die hard Republicans. Political parties are fluid, their ideologies change, and the dont mind turning coats on principles to get more votes. Dems have been racist and, so have Republicans. It is dishonest to proclaim only one has that heritage.

 

[flacaltenn]

I would disagree. All of America was really a federation of different nation-states comprised of wildly different cultures and values which were by no means mostly liberal even in the classic definition of the term.

All of the people who designed this country were 18th century Enlightment liberals.. Name a "conservative" existing at the Constitutional Convention..

They DIFFERED in the design of a TRULY Liberal country with no precedent in History for what they arrived at...

Even tho states had religious clauses and other things you THINK were conservative, that only reflects the desire for "diversity" and freedom of religion..

We're way into the woods on this and unless you got names, we should agree to do this elsewhere..

But you ask how the "liberal" southern Dems who fought for slavery could transform themselves into conservatives.. That would be the same as asking you why the "Party of Lincoln" (1st real Republican) who freed slaves and in the 60s were the key swing votes for the CRA ---- can NOW ---- all be called racists...

The great grandsons of those "dixiecrats" are STILL LOYAL dems.. It's just that their party has turned their backs on them and allowed them to wither away with no representation or power...

You should read American Nations. It is well worth it, a good read. By no means did they all want a liberal country. Each culture had different ambitions. And the great grandsons of those Dixiecrats? The are die hard Republicans. Political parties are fluid, their ideologies change, and the dont mind turning coats on principles to get more votes. Dems have been racist and, so have Republicans. It is dishonest to proclaim only one has that heritage.

You didn't name me a SINGLE "conservative" at the Constitutional convention or as founders of a state...

Bullshit on the great grandsons... The 40% Dem vote in the South has a LARGE fraction that vote Dem because their great grandpappies HATED those Yankee Republicans... I'll introduce ya to them....

 

[my2¢]

I wish we'd get beyond classification of people as if they were breeds of dogs. Up into the 80's inter-racial marriage was still rather rare. In today's world it doesn't prompt a second thought.

 

[flacaltenn]

This isn't some abstract phenomenon of the 18th Century as anyone familiar with Robert KKK Byrd should know... How the fuck did HE continue to get elected as a Dem after slipping the N word into the Senate floor?

This is ACTUAL RECENT history....

Joe Biden praises Fritz Hollings, Democratic segregationist senator, as 'great, great friend'

Joe Biden once said Democrats needed 'a liberal George Wallace'

Biden Rejects Calls to Apologize for Praise of Segregationist



Third time is the charm crazy Uncle Joe.. . And this is not some 18th century conservative love for the "good ole days" or an isolated occurrence... It's only the Dem party ONE GENERATION removed...

The Gore civil rights record

There's your southern Democrats still crazy about race after 150 years.....

 

[Coyote]

I would disagree. All of America was really a federation of different nation-states comprised of wildly different cultures and values which were by no means mostly liberal even in the classic definition of the term.

All of the people who designed this country were 18th century Enlightment liberals.. Name a "conservative" existing at the Constitutional Convention..

They DIFFERED in the design of a TRULY Liberal country with no precedent in History for what they arrived at...

Even tho states had religious clauses and other things you THINK were conservative, that only reflects the desire for "diversity" and freedom of religion..

We're way into the woods on this and unless you got names, we should agree to do this elsewhere..

But you ask how the "liberal" southern Dems who fought for slavery could transform themselves into conservatives.. That would be the same as asking you why the "Party of Lincoln" (1st real Republican) who freed slaves and in the 60s were the key swing votes for the CRA ---- can NOW ---- all be called racists...

The great grandsons of those "dixiecrats" are STILL LOYAL dems.. It's just that their party has turned their backs on them and allowed them to wither away with no representation or power...

You should read American Nations. It is well worth it, a good read. By no means did they all want a liberal country. Each culture had different ambitions. And the great grandsons of those Dixiecrats? The are die hard Republicans. Political parties are fluid, their ideologies change, and the dont mind turning coats on principles to get more votes. Dems have been racist and, so have Republicans. It is dishonest to proclaim only one has that heritage.

You didn't name me a SINGLE "conservative" at the Constitutional convention or as founders of a state...

Bullshit on the great grandsons... The 40% Dem vote in the South has a LARGE fraction that vote Dem because their great grandpappies HATED those Yankee Republicans... I'll introduce ya to them....

The 40% Dem vote is mostly African American.

As for conservatives at the Constitutional convention, , I would say maybe Charles Pinckney, but it is really impossible to to judge liberal or conservative by today’s definitions. That isn’t the case Civil War and after where many of the movements rpthat came to define conservative and. Liberal occurred.

 

[flacaltenn]

but it is really impossible to to judge liberal or conservative by today’s definitions.

That's the point I originally contested.. Fine.. they were ALL 18th Century Enlighten Libs divided on the amount of power to CEDE to the Federal govt... And all those naughty things you think conservatives were hatching out in the primordial states and regions is what ACTUAL FREEDOM looks like...

Good.. We resolved that... You CANNOT use contemporary categories for past politics..

As for the rest of your post -- see the links in my previous post above....

 

[Coyote]

This isn't some abstract phenomenon of the 18th Century as anyone familiar with Robert KKK Byrd should know... How the fuck did HE continue to get elected as a Dem after slipping the N word into the Senate floor?

This is ACTUAL RECENT history....

Joe Biden praises Fritz Hollings, Democratic segregationist senator, as 'great, great friend'

Joe Biden once said Democrats needed 'a liberal George Wallace'

Biden Rejects Calls to Apologize for Praise of Segregationist



Third time is the charm crazy Uncle Joe.. . And this is not some 18th century conservative love for the "good ole days" or an isolated occurrence... It's only the Dem party ONE GENERATION removed...

The Gore civil rights record

There's your southern Democrats still crazy about race after 150 years.....

That is a pretty (and typical of the Republicans) unfair attack on Byrd. K KKK, really? He is one person who was a member for a fairly short time, regretted it and spent his political career supporting civil rights, but you keep going back to one period in his early life? Is that any different than judging certain Republicans on their stupidity with blackface early on, even though the record later is anything but racist? Do you ever attack Republicans?

Yesterday’s Southern Democrats are today’s Southern Republicans. The party is irrelevant.

 

[Coyote]

but it is really impossible to to judge liberal or conservative by today’s definitions.

That's the point I originally contested.. Fine.. they were ALL 18th Century Enlighten Libs divided on the amount of power to CEDE to the Federal govt... And all those naughty things you think conservatives were hatching out in the primordial states and regions is what ACTUAL FREEDOM looks like...

Good.. We resolved that... You CANNOT use contemporary categories for past politics..

As for the rest of your post -- see the links in my previous post above....

No. You miss my point. Completely. Anfpd you are using contemporary categories in labeling them all liberals.

They were not necessarily liberals either.

They were not just fighting on how much power to cede to federal authority, they were fighting on the Rights of slave holders (the fugitive slave law) .... who could allowed to own land, who could vote, and...sadly, the rights of women as Abigail Adams reminded her husband “do not forget the ladies”.

 

[Muhammed]

You all created the one-drop rule. If it was good enough to deny them rights then it is good enough to gain them rights, wouldn’t you agree?

Mixed Race America - Who Is Black? One Nation's Definition | Jefferson's Blood | FRONTLINE | PBS

Dims created the one drop rule.

Conservative white rightwingers created it.

You're full of shit.

Scumbag Democrats created it. Own it, kunt.

You are a disgusting excuse of humanity. Conservatives created it. Own it.

First of all, I've never been a conservative, furthermore, you are full of shit.

Please explain the convoluted reasoning that you used to come to the ridiculous conclusion that conservatives created the one drop rule so that I may rip it to shreds with logic and sound reasoning and shove it up your ass.

You're a mental invalid.

The fact that Democrats drafted, passed and implemented those laws is a matter of record, you disgusting party of slavery supporter.

 

[Coyote]

You all created the one-drop rule. If it was good enough to deny them rights then it is good enough to gain them rights, wouldn’t you agree?

Mixed Race America - Who Is Black? One Nation's Definition | Jefferson's Blood | FRONTLINE | PBS

Dims created the one drop rule.

Conservative white rightwingers created it.

You're full of shit.

Scumbag Democrats created it. Own it, kunt.

You are a disgusting excuse of humanity. Conservatives created it. Own it.

First of all, I've never been a conservative, furthermore, you are full of shit.

Please explain the reasoning that you used to come to the ridiculous conclusion that conservatives created the one drop rule so that I may rip it to shreds and shove it up your ass.

What was the culture of the south in that era?

Liberal?

 

[flacaltenn]

This isn't some abstract phenomenon of the 18th Century as anyone familiar with Robert KKK Byrd should know... How the fuck did HE continue to get elected as a Dem after slipping the N word into the Senate floor?

This is ACTUAL RECENT history....

Joe Biden praises Fritz Hollings, Democratic segregationist senator, as 'great, great friend'

Joe Biden once said Democrats needed 'a liberal George Wallace'

Biden Rejects Calls to Apologize for Praise of Segregationist



Third time is the charm crazy Uncle Joe.. . And this is not some 18th century conservative love for the "good ole days" or an isolated occurrence... It's only the Dem party ONE GENERATION removed...

The Gore civil rights record

There's your southern Democrats still crazy about race after 150 years.....

That is a pretty (and typical of the Republicans) unfair attack on Byrd. K KKK, really? He is one person who was a member for a fairly short time, regretted it and spent his political career supporting civil rights, but you keep going back to one period in his early life? Is that any different than judging certain Republicans on their stupidity with blackface early on, even though the record later is anything but racist? Do you ever attack Republicans?

Yesterday’s Southern Democrats are today’s Southern Republicans. The party is irrelevant.

Didn't read the other links as to the praise of former Dixiecrat racists by Biden or Al Gore Sr's pissy Civil Rights record record --- didya? You just can't run from it and scream it wasn't happening.. Biden is STILL making news for praising damn near every damn one of them "southern Dems"... Biden "We need a Liberal version of George Wallace"..... Go read the links and own it...

And Byrd was never atoned for.. Slipped up on the Senate floor while rambling a couple times.. POINT IS --- this ain't ANCIENT history sister....

 

[Coyote]

This isn't some abstract phenomenon of the 18th Century as anyone familiar with Robert KKK Byrd should know... How the fuck did HE continue to get elected as a Dem after slipping the N word into the Senate floor?

This is ACTUAL RECENT history....

Joe Biden praises Fritz Hollings, Democratic segregationist senator, as 'great, great friend'

Joe Biden once said Democrats needed 'a liberal George Wallace'

Biden Rejects Calls to Apologize for Praise of Segregationist



Third time is the charm crazy Uncle Joe.. . And this is not some 18th century conservative love for the "good ole days" or an isolated occurrence... It's only the Dem party ONE GENERATION removed...

The Gore civil rights record

There's your southern Democrats still crazy about race after 150 years.....

That is a pretty (and typical of the Republicans) unfair attack on Byrd. K KKK, really? He is one person who was a member for a fairly short time, regretted it and spent his political career supporting civil rights, but you keep going back to one period in his early life? Is that any different than judging certain Republicans on their stupidity with blackface early on, even though the record later is anything but racist? Do you ever attack Republicans?

Yesterday’s Southern Democrats are today’s Southern Republicans. The party is irrelevant.

Didn't read the other links as to the praise of former Dixiecrat racists by Biden or Al Gore Sr's pissy Civil Rights record record --- didya? You just can't run from it and scream it wasn't happening.. Biden is STILL making news for praising damn near every damn one of them "southern Dems"... Biden "We need a Liberal version of George Wallace"..... Go read the links and own it...

And Byrd was never atoned for.. Slipped up on the Senate floor while rambling a couple times.. POINT IS --- this ain't ANCIENT history sister....

One question: does context matter?

Two: are you excusing racism from the Republicans?

Three: actions...does Byrds record mean nothing? The NAACP would disagree.

This is what he said:
"My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white *******. I've seen a lot of white ******* in my time. I'm going to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much."

He said the n word. Was it directed at blacks? No.

This is the essential dishonesty of the right, just as the left abuses the race card.

The POINT IS Byrd’s political record is his atonement! Why do you give tbe right a constant free pass?

 

[Muhammed]

Dims created the one drop rule.

Conservative white rightwingers created it.

You're full of shit.

Scumbag Democrats created it. Own it, kunt.

You are a disgusting excuse of humanity. Conservatives created it. Own it.

First of all, I've never been a conservative, furthermore, you are full of shit.

Please explain the reasoning that you used to come to the ridiculous conclusion that conservatives created the one drop rule so that I may rip it to shreds and shove it up your ass.

What was the culture of the south in that era?

Democrat.

 

[Coyote]

Conservative white rightwingers created it.

You're full of shit.

Scumbag Democrats created it. Own it, kunt.

You are a disgusting excuse of humanity. Conservatives created it. Own it.

First of all, I've never been a conservative, furthermore, you are full of shit.

Please explain the reasoning that you used to come to the ridiculous conclusion that conservatives created the one drop rule so that I may rip it to shreds and shove it up your ass.

What was the culture of the south in that era?

Democrat.

That is a political party not culture. Nice dodge.