The living wage

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Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

http://www.livingwage.geog.psu.edu/
 
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People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.
 
People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.

No it's not.

No one "lives' On the minimum wage..

They either get supplemental help from the government or have multiple wage earners in the household.

We've got something like a 13 trillion dollar economy..with some 24% of that going to 2% of the people in this country.

Lately companies have been booting employees..leaving the rest to pick up the slack and not paying the overtime..thanks to the rule changes by the Bush administration.

That's theft.

Additionally..the TARP basically covered the losses of the big risk takers. And they are at it again..paying themselves multimillion dollar bonuses.

That's theft as well.

Why is it conservatives reward this horrendous behavior...while punishing the poor?
 
Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

Maybe the 'knuckle draggers" won't notice, but it appears to me to grant the government much more power. If that is indeed the case, then I would oppose such a proposal.
 
Let me explain something to the Liberal/Fascist/Communists:

None of your nanny state meddling ideas have ever worked.
 
People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.

No it's not.

No one "lives' On the minimum wage..

They either get supplemental help from the government or have multiple wage earners in the household.

:eusa_eh:

I know several people who live on minimum wage
 
HAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, I laughed halfway through that.

OP says more teens at home, and not at work, will lead to more students at home studying.
OP says more stay at home moms will mean less crime, less unwanted pregnancy, etc.


Hey, OP, ride through the ghetto tomorrow. Notice all the teens NOT working, and all the moms NOT working and all staying at home. Then notice the LOW crime in the ghetto, notice all the teens studying, and notice all the women NOT pregnant out of wedlock.

Your theory is dead on arrival. Sorry.

You're basically saying people should be entitled to get paid more than the market value for their labor.

In other words "I wanna bigger paycheck!!!".

Yeah, working for a living sucks doesn't it.
 
Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

already tried in another thread.
FAIL.
Now, as I asked before, who gets to decide wage levels? BY government mandate?
Who pays the additional cost?
Does it apply to small business as well? Or do you propose exemptions? DO you think larger companies would stand for this?
What would be your minimum wage? $15, $20 $30 per hour? Who pays? Where does the revenue come from after you waive you magic wand and this unfunded mandate becomes law?
Look, this has no chance of even getting a mention in Congress.
So why are you bothering to start ridiculous threads such as this.
I have an idea. Start a business and without regard to your revenue stream I want you to pay all of your employees a minimum of $20 per hour. No questions asked. You DO IT!
Then report back in two months after your business fails just like all other socialistic programs. FAIL!
 
People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.

See what I mean folks? People are actually this stupid.

#1.
 
People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.

No it's not.

No one "lives' On the minimum wage..

They either get supplemental help from the government or have multiple wage earners in the household.

:eusa_eh:

I know several people who live on minimum wage

What part of the country do you live in? Rural? Urban? Are these acquaintances adult heads of households with children?
Really? I have to call bullshit on this. Unless you live in a very poor region of the country with a very high percentage of entry level jobs, I doubt many actually support their families on minimum wage. F&B workers do not count.
The facts do not bear out your point.
Less than 500,000 people actually drawing the federal minimum wage are supporting heads of household. Although it is entirely possible to have minimum wage "clusters".
One such region would be the southwestern tip of Virginia. Or the North Carolina eastern counties not near the Outer banks. These are very poor regions where the salary structure and of course the cost of living is low relative to other regions.
 
Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

already tried in another thread.
FAIL.
Now, as I asked before, who gets to decide wage levels? BY government mandate?
Who pays the additional cost?
Does it apply to small business as well? Or do you propose exemptions? DO you think larger companies would stand for this?
What would be your minimum wage? $15, $20 $30 per hour? Who pays? Where does the revenue come from after you waive you magic wand and this unfunded mandate becomes law?
Look, this has no chance of even getting a mention in Congress.
So why are you bothering to start ridiculous threads such as this.
I have an idea. Start a business and without regard to your revenue stream I want you to pay all of your employees a minimum of $20 per hour. No questions asked. You DO IT!
Then report back in two months after your business fails just like all other socialistic programs. FAIL!
Too bad you quoted Shit-Too. I have his ignorant ass on ignore and this OP is evidence of why.
Your response will be ignored by the union hack.
:eusa_whistle:
 
Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

Maybe the 'knuckle draggers" won't notice, but it appears to me to grant the government much more power. If that is indeed the case, then I would oppose such a proposal.

It is a trade off with more benefits to you, than the current state of government power. It is going to lower your taxes and create a smaller government, so it doesn't appear to give government more control over you. In fact if you are making more than your local living wage (most people are), it will have no impact on you at all, cept to lower your taxes.
 
Let me explain something to the Liberal/Fascist/Communists:

None of your nanny state meddling ideas have ever worked.

Of course, you are lying, and support no proof of your assertions, which probably has nothing to do with a living wage. .:cuckoo:
 
People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.

See what I mean folks? People are actually this stupid.

#1.
Hey genius. A federal mandate to dramatically increase wages would result in the failure of a large percentage of businesses. So right back to square one. The marketplace determines wages and that is that.
As previously stated, your idea has not a chance in hell of becoming reality. So just stop the bullshit.
How long have you been #2
 
Heck, if raising the min wage to a "living wage" (who gets to decide what is living or not?) then why not institute a "rich man's wage" so we can all be rich? Instead of a piddling $10/hr why not $50? Why not $500? After all, companies have all this money lying around they could be paying to people.

That is absolutely one of the stupidest ideas I have heard in a very long time. And this site comes up with some winners. It betrays a gross and total ignorance of how wages are set and the realities of business.
 
People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.

No it's not.

No one "lives' On the minimum wage..

They either get supplemental help from the government or have multiple wage earners in the household.

:eusa_eh:

I know several people who live on minimum wage

This thread,..................is about Living Wage. Kindly reel in to the discussion.:eusa_angel:
 
Heck, if raising the min wage to a "living wage" (who gets to decide what is living or not?) then why not institute a "rich man's wage" so we can all be rich? Instead of a piddling $10/hr why not $50? Why not $500? After all, companies have all this money lying around they could be paying to people.

That is absolutely one of the stupidest ideas I have heard in a very long time. And this site comes up with some winners. It betrays a gross and total ignorance of how wages are set and the realities of business.
SHitno is the Knight that loses the sword fight in the movie "Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

He will beat his point to death in the hopes that just one person will agree with him.
It's sad really. To see such desperation.
 

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