The likelyness of God.

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    God, or any intelligent decision-taking, calculating agent, would have to be highly improbable in the very same statistical sense as the entities he is supposed to explain.

    How does one cope with the arguement that any God capable of designing a universe, carefully and foresightfully tuned to lead to our evolution,
    must be a supremely complex and improbable entity who needs an even bigger explanation than the one he is supposed to provide?


    Richard Dawkins.



    I'm just curious as to how God's creation is explained by people of faith.
     
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    I used to think it was but everytime someone tried to explain in a rational way it turns into a complete arguement over faith and facts. One thing for sure when we either leave this earth or the end of time I'm sure we'll get our answer.
    Either we'll be completely in awe of the great Master of life as we knew it or we'll come backas mice, rats, dogs and cats...:rolleyes:
    I've come to the point where people don't really care about if God exist they aren't going to follow his ways because it is more fun to keep living the way we are. Kind of like the feel good theory: If it feels good do it:exclaim: I know I'm guilty of that way of living today.
     
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    Well first of all, the bible is complete fiction. BUT! Science does have a definition of god but can not prove he exists without a unified theory of everything. God in reality is basically, the creator of the singularity....or the very first form of energy which after the big bang, split into the 4 forces we know today as electromagnetism, gravity, weak nuclear, and strong nuclear force. All forces in the universe are explained with these 4 forces but science has only tied together 3 forces mathmatically. Gravity on a small scale has not yet been tied into the "elegant universe" or the grand unified theory which would basically prove an intelligent design or at least, the very first godlike thought which prodoced the universe. Once we can prove a pattern with atoms (which at this point are very erratic and chaotic) we can prove an elegant design. Because atoms are the only thing we can not predict, and most scientists dont believe that god just rolled the dice to create the universe, they believe that everything has a pattern. Once that pattern is discoverd, God is discoverd. String theory is the closest we are to predicting the nature of subatomic particle.

    Keep in mind, every bible on earth, is pure fiction. There is no proof that any event in the bibles literally happend. Ofcourse now-adays, religions try to take credit for scientific discoverys or at least align themselves with science and faith.

    If you just believe in your own private god, with no organized religion, who never walked the earth and who will not disrupt free will, Then you are on the right path. Athiests take it a little too far because they cant explain who created the very first singularity. But thats all my opinion.

    The evolution of all religions, have gotten so distant from thier true and original form, its not even worth it to get involved.
     
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    My question is to everyone who believes in God and uses God as the answer for the creation of mankind.

    'who or what created God?'
     
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    That big bang came up short big time. it doesn't explain how our minds can except faith and how things can go well if we say followed the 10 commandments since those are fake? I have a hard time with this big bang deal. See when something goes big bang it gets flattened. hence I have worked with explosives for over twenty years and have seen a lot of shit get blown up. Besides craters I've never witnessed anything being created from one of our blast other than death, fire and a lot of clean up.
     
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    You've done explosives testing in space?
    where there is no gravity to flatten things.
     
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    No believer will ever give you a straight answer, just letting you know.

    Here is the answer you will get 99 out of 100 times

    God has always existed and will always exist. No explanation, just what it says in the bible.

    My opinion? God is outside the physical restrictions of the universe, therefore time does not apply. We have already proven that time stops in a black whole and at the speed of light, so that means time is not a factor outside of the universe, it is finite. Therefore nobody had to create god because god created time and in order to understand that, you must know a little bit about the theory of relativity.

    My point is, god could have existed for 1 second, yet that one second to god is actually 13 billion light years for humans. Do you get it? Seconds, minutes, hours do not exist outside of the universe, therefore it IS possible the nobody created GOD because GOD could have literally created himself outside of the universe. Its hard to understand but we humans cant fathom a place where a past and future dont exist.
     
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    No space just in the desert of nevada, and china lake. I don't agree on the big bang theory. My belief, ythings like this didn't just happen, it is very complex and way more complex than the average human could ever duplicate. I'm refering to the good and the bad in our world from floods to flowers in the field, trees pudding to fruit on the trees. Animals and what they do it is very interesting is all I can say.
     
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    Knowing a bit about the theory of relativity would most likely mean one does not believe in the likelyness of God.


    how can an entity, create it self?

    It had to come into existance at some point and be created from or by something.

    WHICH makes the likelyness of God creating the universe as unlikely as the creation of God himself/itself.
     
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    You're asking for rationality now. The rational response is, "buggered if I know." But you won't get that from a believer. They don't like that question.
     

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