The Lies Of This Administration Keep Mounting

[SFC Ollie]

Oops, you better tell that to the Republican leadership. Seems like they have been applying for stimulus money, which is to be used for, get this, "shovel ready projects". Oops, let me say that again. "Ooops".

Republicans apply for stimulus money - pottsmerc.com

Boehner's state, Ohio, already had 52 job-stimulus contracts for infrastructure projects.

Ohio's Sen. George Voinovich had written to the Dept. of Energy for stimulus funds that would "create 480 construction and engineering jobs, and 167 full-time permanent jobs."

Sen. McConnell, "I support the application submitted by (Kentucky and local railroads)" for job-stimulus funds. These funds have "...the potential to attract industry, create jobs..."

The Washington Post reported that half of the job vendors at Eric Cantor's job fair were companies providing jobs with stimulus funds.

Republican Deputy Whip Rep. Kevin McCarthy confidentially asked for job-stimulus funds for a California highway project, delayed 20 years because of lack of money. The Obama stimulus funds for this project, McCarthy wrote, "will quickly put people back to work."

This August, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a finding that the jobs stimulus spending added about 3.3 million jobs to the economy.


Wait,
wait,
wait, I like this part best:
McCarthy's swipe about public skepticism might be credible given that he and most Republicans carried out a coordinated campaign of deception for two full years.

Or like Tea Party Republican Centerfold Scott Brown who said he was going to Washington to STOP the stimulus and then applied for stimulus money to build broad band in the area he represents. See, all those small businesses. Scott thinks broad band would help create thousands of new jobs. Even though you don't put in a broadband network with a "shovel", it's still considered a "shovel-ready" project.

Audio | Senate Minority Leader Letter: Stimulus is Economy Booster and Job Creator | Capitol News Connection

WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who was one of the most outspoken critics of the Obama stimulus package, subsequently wrote letters in an effort to obtain large amounts of stimulus funding for projects in his district. Those letters contradict his earlier public assertions that the stimulus would not help the economy or create jobs.

In one letter – McConnell writes in support of rail improvements around Appalachia, saying supporting the railroads has the potential to attract industry and create jobs. In another letter – Rogers supports a broadband project he says will stimulate economic growth.

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You gotta love those Republicans. Bold as brass. Lies, misleading statements, tricks, they know 'em all.

So you're calling Obama a liar now???

Mr. Obama is acknowledging that, despite his campaign promises, "there's no such thing as shovel-ready projects."

You can't have it both ways dip-shit. lol

au contraire mon ami

We know that right wingers love to jump on everything Obama has to say and take it out of context. As long as the jobs happen and the jobs are created, who cares what Obama said? Don't you want Americans to work? Don't you want bridges to be built? Railroads to create jobs? Why aren't you criticizing the Republican leadership for building an infrastructure to create jobs? You do understand the connection between building an infrastructure and creating jobs? Think of it as a "foundation" and a "building". What would the building be without the foundation?

EK: None of this really explains Obama's disappointment with shovel-ready projects. You're saying the work fulfilled expectations. He keeps telling reporters that it didn't.

JB: Very early on in the Recovery Act, the VP went to visit this bridge in Pennsylvania that was a good candidate for repair. He asked “how shovel-ready is it?” It happened that the engineer was there and said, “hold on, I’ve got the blueprints right over here in my car.” He actually got them and showed them to the VP.

They quickly got a transportation grant to fix the bridge but didn’t start construction for a few months because the local government didn’t want to have to divert traffic patterns until the summer. Now the project is completed. That’s just the way these things unfold sometimes. There’s often going to be some wiggle between approval and shovels in the ground.

Ezra Klein - Are there 'shovel-ready projects?' An interview with Jared Bernstein.

How many permanent jobs did the repairs on that bridge create?

 

[Londoner]

The stimulus money was largely used to keep the states solvent, and it gave tax breaks to 95% of Americans. Republican governors didn't turn it down, not a penny.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/job_losses_before_and_after_obama's_policies.png

From December 2007 to July 2009 – the last year of the Bush second term and the first six months of the Obama presidency, before his policies could affect the economy – private sector employment crashed from 115,574,000 jobs to 107,778,000 jobs. Employment continued to fall, however, for the next six months, reaching a low of 107,107,000 jobs in December of 2009. So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway of their policies. Some 671,000 additional jobs were lost as the stimulus and other moves by the administration kicked in, but 630,000 jobs then came back in the following six months. The tally, to date: Mr. Obama can be held accountable for the net loss of 41,000 jobs (671,000 – 630,000), while the Republicans should be held responsible for the net losses of 7,796,000 jobs.

Bush left this country with a zombi banking sector and a bankrupt, jobless, homeless middle class. People who think Obama could have turned it around with such a small stimulus are insane. America didn't break the back of the Great Depression until the greatest government spending project in world history: WWII, which was 30x the size of the meek, wimpy Obama stimulus, and over 100% of GDP. America could have dumped all the war materials into the sea and the result of the government spending would have been the same: American jobs, which translates into consumer spending, which translates into more jobs -- upward spiral. Problem is: the Republicans and Blue Dogs would not give Obama a stimulus comparable to the hole Bush put in the economy. Now we are headed for a Japan style loss decade. When the Republicans take over in 2012, they will use terrorism once again to move the economy off the front page.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The stimulus money was largely used to keep the states solvent, and it gave tax breaks to 95% of Americans. Republican governors didn't turn it down, not a penny.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/job_losses_before_and_after_obama's_policies.png

From December 2007 to July 2009 – the last year of the Bush second term and the first six months of the Obama presidency, before his policies could affect the economy – private sector employment crashed from 115,574,000 jobs to 107,778,000 jobs. Employment continued to fall, however, for the next six months, reaching a low of 107,107,000 jobs in December of 2009. So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway of their policies. Some 671,000 additional jobs were lost as the stimulus and other moves by the administration kicked in, but 630,000 jobs then came back in the following six months. The tally, to date: Mr. Obama can be held accountable for the net loss of 41,000 jobs (671,000 – 630,000), while the Republicans should be held responsible for the net losses of 7,796,000 jobs.

Bush left this country with a zombi banking sector and a bankrupt, jobless, homeless middle class. People who think Obama could have turned it around with such a small stimulus are insane. America didn't break the back of the Great Depression until the greatest government spending project in world history: WWII, which was 30x the size of the meek, wimpy Obama stimulus, and over 100% of GDP. America could have dumped all the war materials into the sea and the result of the government spending would have been the same: American jobs, which translates into consumer spending, which translates into more jobs -- upward spiral. Problem is: the Republicans and Blue Dogs would not give Obama a stimulus comparable to the hole Bush put in the economy. Now we are headed for a Japan style loss decade. When the Republicans take over in 2012, they will use terrorism once again to move the economy off the front page.

South Carolina Govenor turned it down. but was forced by the state legislators to except the money.

 

[Trajan]

The stimulus money was largely used to keep the states solvent, and it gave tax breaks to 95% of Americans. Republican governors didn't turn it down, not a penny.

I don't know where you are from but 60 bucks a month is 2 tanks of gas. its nice but it aint changing any household paradigms...know what I mean?

and the states being kept solvent? well that has its own drawbacks,,,,yes? and it didn't solve a thing, it bought time. Thats all.

 

[edthecynic]

Back in October Obama lifted the moratorium on off-shore drilling. To date zero permits have been granted since it was lifted.

Typical CON$ervative lying by half truth.

Number of deep water drilling permits rejected, ZERO (0).

Perhaps you could provide a link....otherwise STFU

So far only one permit has been applied for and it has not been rejected yet.

Then the original claim is also true:
To date zero permits have been granted since it was lifted.

I never said the original claim was not true, I called it a HALF TRUTH, which means it was not the WHOLE truth. The original half truth implies that the Obama administration is refusing to issue permits. They have not refused a single permit.

Several oil companies have reported that they are PREPARING deep water permit requests and just as it takes time to PREPARE a permit request it takes time to approve it. So far only one company has submitted a permit request since the ban was lifted and it has not been rejected, it is simply under the normal review process.

Furthermore it might not even be for a deep water permit, the ONLY drilling that was banned, since the drilling depth of the request has not been released. For all we know there has yet to be even 1 request for a deep water permit!!!! Several shallow water permits have been issued since the deep water ban began, so new drilling in the Gulf has continued after the deep water ban began.

The point is the OP was designed to suggest that Obama is still banning deep water drilling even after the ban has been lifted when there is no proof to that effect, so the only tidbit of truth in the post is presented in the most deliberately misleading way possible by not telling the WHOLE truth.

Hence I said it was LYING by HALF TRUTH, which it undeniably was. The technique of telling just enough truth and then shutting up, to deliberately mislead, is a standard tactic in the CON$ervative arsenal of lies.

 

[Trajan]

It is not in context, and there is no way of knowing what was actually said. Bring a transcript that shows what he actually said in reponse to X question. It could mean anything or nothing at all.

Example.

We won WW I

We lost WW I

But he said WW I.

I grow so tired of the stupidity of you people:

With unemployment hovering near 10 percent nearly two years after President Obama signed his economic stimulus package, Mr. Obama is acknowledging that, despite his campaign promises, "there's no such thing as shovel-ready projects."

Shovel-ready

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJkXm-2tSBU&feature=related[/ame]

Oops, you better tell that to the Republican leadership. Seems like they have been applying for stimulus money, which is to be used for, get this, "shovel ready projects". Oops, let me say that again. "Ooops".

Republicans apply for stimulus money - pottsmerc.com

Boehner's state, Ohio, already had 52 job-stimulus contracts for infrastructure projects.

Ohio's Sen. George Voinovich had written to the Dept. of Energy for stimulus funds that would "create 480 construction and engineering jobs, and 167 full-time permanent jobs."

Sen. McConnell, "I support the application submitted by (Kentucky and local railroads)" for job-stimulus funds. These funds have "...the potential to attract industry, create jobs..."

The Washington Post reported that half of the job vendors at Eric Cantor's job fair were companies providing jobs with stimulus funds.

Republican Deputy Whip Rep. Kevin McCarthy confidentially asked for job-stimulus funds for a California highway project, delayed 20 years because of lack of money. The Obama stimulus funds for this project, McCarthy wrote, "will quickly put people back to work."

This August, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a finding that the jobs stimulus spending added about 3.3 million jobs to the economy.


Wait,
wait,
wait, I like this part best:
McCarthy's swipe about public skepticism might be credible given that he and most Republicans carried out a coordinated campaign of deception for two full years.

Or like Tea Party Republican Centerfold Scott Brown who said he was going to Washington to STOP the stimulus and then applied for stimulus money to build broad band in the area he represents. See, all those small businesses. Scott thinks broad band would help create thousands of new jobs. Even though you don't put in a broadband network with a "shovel", it's still considered a "shovel-ready" project.

Audio | Senate Minority Leader Letter: Stimulus is Economy Booster and Job Creator | Capitol News Connection

WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who was one of the most outspoken critics of the Obama stimulus package, subsequently wrote letters in an effort to obtain large amounts of stimulus funding for projects in his district. Those letters contradict his earlier public assertions that the stimulus would not help the economy or create jobs.

In one letter – McConnell writes in support of rail improvements around Appalachia, saying supporting the railroads has the potential to attract industry and create jobs. In another letter – Rogers supports a broadband project he says will stimulate economic growth.

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You gotta love those Republicans. Bold as brass. Lies, misleading statements, tricks, they know 'em all.

his big pitch was the 41st vote against HEALTHCARE......hello.

and if you want to get into the sexual BS, he didn't allow a male whore ring to be run from his house..eh?

 

[rdean]

You see he blew the deal to shreds because he insisted on placing provisions in the bill that would favor unions.

Yep, once again the wants of the about 18% of workers who are in unions, are put before the needs of 310 Million people.

Obama, the king of special Interests Biatches!

Unions are only 12% of the entire US workforce.

Because of unions, we have

8 hour work day
40 hour work week
Weekends off
paid holidays
flextime
overtime
vacations
child work laws

corporations would never, ever give these things on their own. Do Right wingers think these are "bad" things?

 

[rdean]

I grow so tired of the stupidity of you people:

Shovel-ready

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJkXm-2tSBU&feature=related

Oops, you better tell that to the Republican leadership. Seems like they have been applying for stimulus money, which is to be used for, get this, "shovel ready projects". Oops, let me say that again. "Ooops".

Republicans apply for stimulus money - pottsmerc.com

Boehner's state, Ohio, already had 52 job-stimulus contracts for infrastructure projects.

Ohio's Sen. George Voinovich had written to the Dept. of Energy for stimulus funds that would "create 480 construction and engineering jobs, and 167 full-time permanent jobs."

Sen. McConnell, "I support the application submitted by (Kentucky and local railroads)" for job-stimulus funds. These funds have "...the potential to attract industry, create jobs..."

The Washington Post reported that half of the job vendors at Eric Cantor's job fair were companies providing jobs with stimulus funds.

Republican Deputy Whip Rep. Kevin McCarthy confidentially asked for job-stimulus funds for a California highway project, delayed 20 years because of lack of money. The Obama stimulus funds for this project, McCarthy wrote, "will quickly put people back to work."

This August, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a finding that the jobs stimulus spending added about 3.3 million jobs to the economy.


Wait,
wait,
wait, I like this part best:
McCarthy's swipe about public skepticism might be credible given that he and most Republicans carried out a coordinated campaign of deception for two full years.

Or like Tea Party Republican Centerfold Scott Brown who said he was going to Washington to STOP the stimulus and then applied for stimulus money to build broad band in the area he represents. See, all those small businesses. Scott thinks broad band would help create thousands of new jobs. Even though you don't put in a broadband network with a "shovel", it's still considered a "shovel-ready" project.

Audio | Senate Minority Leader Letter: Stimulus is Economy Booster and Job Creator | Capitol News Connection

WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who was one of the most outspoken critics of the Obama stimulus package, subsequently wrote letters in an effort to obtain large amounts of stimulus funding for projects in his district. Those letters contradict his earlier public assertions that the stimulus would not help the economy or create jobs.

In one letter – McConnell writes in support of rail improvements around Appalachia, saying supporting the railroads has the potential to attract industry and create jobs. In another letter – Rogers supports a broadband project he says will stimulate economic growth.

------------------------------------------------

You gotta love those Republicans. Bold as brass. Lies, misleading statements, tricks, they know 'em all.

his big pitch was the 41st vote against HEALTHCARE......hello.

and if you want to get into the sexual BS, he didn't allow a male whore ring to be run from his house..eh?

Are you talking about "Jeff Gannon"?

 

[rdean]

So you're calling Obama a liar now???


You can't have it both ways dip-shit. lol

au contraire mon ami

We know that right wingers love to jump on everything Obama has to say and take it out of context. As long as the jobs happen and the jobs are created, who cares what Obama said? Don't you want Americans to work? Don't you want bridges to be built? Railroads to create jobs? Why aren't you criticizing the Republican leadership for building an infrastructure to create jobs? You do understand the connection between building an infrastructure and creating jobs? Think of it as a "foundation" and a "building". What would the building be without the foundation?

EK: None of this really explains Obama's disappointment with shovel-ready projects. You're saying the work fulfilled expectations. He keeps telling reporters that it didn't.

JB: Very early on in the Recovery Act, the VP went to visit this bridge in Pennsylvania that was a good candidate for repair. He asked “how shovel-ready is it?” It happened that the engineer was there and said, “hold on, I’ve got the blueprints right over here in my car.” He actually got them and showed them to the VP.

They quickly got a transportation grant to fix the bridge but didn’t start construction for a few months because the local government didn’t want to have to divert traffic patterns until the summer. Now the project is completed. That’s just the way these things unfold sometimes. There’s often going to be some wiggle between approval and shovels in the ground.

Ezra Klein - Are there 'shovel-ready projects?' An interview with Jared Bernstein.

How many permanent jobs did the repairs on that bridge create?

Let me explain this.

You don't create a permanent job by building a bridge. The jobs come from the bridge connecting communities. You see, it's because there IS a bridge that jobs are created.

The Republican leadership understands this. That's why they applied for stimulus money to build bridges and upgrade railways and add broadband. Sure, once completed, there will be a few railway jobs and a couple of broadband jobs, but the real jobs will result from the infrastructure that was built. Is it clear?

In simple steps, this is how it works:

Money is spent on infrastructure

jobs result from that infrastructure being built

jobs mean taxes

taxes means revenue

revenue means more investment in infrastructure as well as all the other things government does, such as food safety, speed limits, automobile safety, the military, and on and on.

Hmmm, yes, the military.

 

[Saikron]

you see he blew the deal to shreds because he insisted on placing provisions in the bill that would favor unions.

yep, once again the wants of the about 18% of workers who are in unions, are put before the needs of 310 million people.

Obama, the king of special interests biatches!

unions are only 12% of the entire us workforce.

Because of unions, we have

8 hour work day
40 hour work week
weekends off
paid holidays
flextime
overtime
vacations
child work laws

corporations would never, ever give these things on their own. Do right wingers think these are "bad" things?

you lot get back on those looms, or it's back to the orphanage!

 

[mudwhistle]

The stimulus money was largely used to keep the states solvent, and it gave tax breaks to 95% of Americans. Republican governors didn't turn it down, not a penny.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/job_losses_before_and_after_obama's_policies.png

From December 2007 to July 2009 – the last year of the Bush second term and the first six months of the Obama presidency, before his policies could affect the economy – private sector employment crashed from 115,574,000 jobs to 107,778,000 jobs. Employment continued to fall, however, for the next six months, reaching a low of 107,107,000 jobs in December of 2009. So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway of their policies. Some 671,000 additional jobs were lost as the stimulus and other moves by the administration kicked in, but 630,000 jobs then came back in the following six months. The tally, to date: Mr. Obama can be held accountable for the net loss of 41,000 jobs (671,000 – 630,000), while the Republicans should be held responsible for the net losses of 7,796,000 jobs.

Bush left this country with a zombi banking sector and a bankrupt, jobless, homeless middle class. People who think Obama could have turned it around with such a small stimulus are insane. America didn't break the back of the Great Depression until the greatest government spending project in world history: WWII, which was 30x the size of the meek, wimpy Obama stimulus, and over 100% of GDP. America could have dumped all the war materials into the sea and the result of the government spending would have been the same: American jobs, which translates into consumer spending, which translates into more jobs -- upward spiral. Problem is: the Republicans and Blue Dogs would not give Obama a stimulus comparable to the hole Bush put in the economy. Now we are headed for a Japan style loss decade. When the Republicans take over in 2012, they will use terrorism once again to move the economy off the front page.

Many states wanted to refused but were threatened into taking it.

 

[Annie]

The stimulus money was largely used to keep the states solvent, and it gave tax breaks to 95% of Americans. Republican governors didn't turn it down, not a penny.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/job_losses_before_and_after_obama's_policies.png

From December 2007 to July 2009 – the last year of the Bush second term and the first six months of the Obama presidency, before his policies could affect the economy – private sector employment crashed from 115,574,000 jobs to 107,778,000 jobs. Employment continued to fall, however, for the next six months, reaching a low of 107,107,000 jobs in December of 2009. So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway of their policies. Some 671,000 additional jobs were lost as the stimulus and other moves by the administration kicked in, but 630,000 jobs then came back in the following six months. The tally, to date: Mr. Obama can be held accountable for the net loss of 41,000 jobs (671,000 – 630,000), while the Republicans should be held responsible for the net losses of 7,796,000 jobs.

Bush left this country with a zombi banking sector and a bankrupt, jobless, homeless middle class. People who think Obama could have turned it around with such a small stimulus are insane. America didn't break the back of the Great Depression until the greatest government spending project in world history: WWII, which was 30x the size of the meek, wimpy Obama stimulus, and over 100% of GDP. America could have dumped all the war materials into the sea and the result of the government spending would have been the same: American jobs, which translates into consumer spending, which translates into more jobs -- upward spiral. Problem is: the Republicans and Blue Dogs would not give Obama a stimulus comparable to the hole Bush put in the economy. Now we are headed for a Japan style loss decade. When the Republicans take over in 2012, they will use terrorism once again to move the economy off the front page.

Many states wanted to refused but were threatened into taking it.

Very much like the banks. Remember though, this was early in the administration. Now we have state's attorneys looking for ways to opt out of all or part of Obamacare, the stimulus problems wouldn't occur again, imho.

 

[mudwhistle]

Back in October Obama lifted the moratorium on off-shore drilling. To date zero permits have been granted since it was lifted.

Typical CON$ervative lying by half truth.

Number of deep water drilling permits rejected, ZERO (0).

So far only one permit has been applied for and it has not been rejected yet.

Then the original claim is also true:
To date zero permits have been granted since it was lifted.

I never said the original claim was not true, I called it a HALF TRUTH, which means it was not the WHOLE truth. The original half truth implies that the Obama administration is refusing to issue permits. They have not refused a single permit.

Several oil companies have reported that they are PREPARING deep water permit requests and just as it takes time to PREPARE a permit request it takes time to approve it. So far only one company has submitted a permit request since the ban was lifted and it has not been rejected, it is simply under the normal review process.

Furthermore it might not even be for a deep water permit, the ONLY drilling that was banned, since the drilling depth of the request has not been released. For all we know there has yet to be even 1 request for a deep water permit!!!! Several shallow water permits have been issued since the deep water ban began, so new drilling in the Gulf has continued after the deep water ban began.

The point is the OP was designed to suggest that Obama is still banning deep water drilling even after the ban has been lifted when there is no proof to that effect, so the only tidbit of truth in the post is presented in the most deliberately misleading way possible by not telling the WHOLE truth.

Hence I said it was LYING by HALF TRUTH, which it undeniably was. The technique of telling just enough truth and then shutting up, to deliberately mislead, is a standard tactic in the CON$ervative arsenal of lies.

So in effect you're calling me a liar when I showed proof but you're showing me nothing. No links....nothing. Merely opinion.

Obama has admitted on video that he wants to make it costly to get a permit in the coal industry. I believe he intends to do the same with oil production. But he doesn't seem to want to hold foreign producers to the same standard he does with American producers. The only proof that this is the case is that no permits have been granted for Deep-water drilling since the moratorium has been lifted.

Funny how the proof that he's doing what I claim is hard to find.....as is with everything else he's been doing. Ether it's not going on or he's got an organization that's good at covering their tracks. The effect of all of this is there is a lack of trust and a great deal of uncertainty out there. Nobody knows what in the hell is going on. This alone is bad for business in a capitalist country.

 

[The T]

The stimulus money was largely used to keep the states solvent, and it gave tax breaks to 95% of Americans. Republican governors didn't turn it down, not a penny.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/job_losses_before_and_after_obama's_policies.png

From December 2007 to July 2009 – the last year of the Bush second term and the first six months of the Obama presidency, before his policies could affect the economy – private sector employment crashed from 115,574,000 jobs to 107,778,000 jobs. Employment continued to fall, however, for the next six months, reaching a low of 107,107,000 jobs in December of 2009. So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway of their policies. Some 671,000 additional jobs were lost as the stimulus and other moves by the administration kicked in, but 630,000 jobs then came back in the following six months. The tally, to date: Mr. Obama can be held accountable for the net loss of 41,000 jobs (671,000 – 630,000), while the Republicans should be held responsible for the net losses of 7,796,000 jobs.

Bush left this country with a zombi banking sector and a bankrupt, jobless, homeless middle class. People who think Obama could have turned it around with such a small stimulus are insane. America didn't break the back of the Great Depression until the greatest government spending project in world history: WWII, which was 30x the size of the meek, wimpy Obama stimulus, and over 100% of GDP. America could have dumped all the war materials into the sea and the result of the government spending would have been the same: American jobs, which translates into consumer spending, which translates into more jobs -- upward spiral. Problem is: the Republicans and Blue Dogs would not give Obama a stimulus comparable to the hole Bush put in the economy. Now we are headed for a Japan style loss decade. When the Republicans take over in 2012, they will use terrorism once again to move the economy off the front page.

Many states wanted to refused but were threatened into taking it.

Very much like the banks. Remember though, this was early in the administration. Now we have state's attorneys looking for ways to opt out of all or part of Obamacare, the stimulus problems wouldn't occur again, imho.

And the Obama administration had better make up it's mind as to whether it's a mandate...or a tax. They have argued both. And both excuses as argued by Obama's goons are Unconstitutional as those States attorneys have rightly argued, and have been given the go ahead to persue their case against it.

 

[mudwhistle]

The stimulus money was largely used to keep the states solvent, and it gave tax breaks to 95% of Americans. Republican governors didn't turn it down, not a penny.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/job_losses_before_and_after_obama's_policies.png

From December 2007 to July 2009 – the last year of the Bush second term and the first six months of the Obama presidency, before his policies could affect the economy – private sector employment crashed from 115,574,000 jobs to 107,778,000 jobs. Employment continued to fall, however, for the next six months, reaching a low of 107,107,000 jobs in December of 2009. So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway of their policies. Some 671,000 additional jobs were lost as the stimulus and other moves by the administration kicked in, but 630,000 jobs then came back in the following six months. The tally, to date: Mr. Obama can be held accountable for the net loss of 41,000 jobs (671,000 – 630,000), while the Republicans should be held responsible for the net losses of 7,796,000 jobs.

Bush left this country with a zombi banking sector and a bankrupt, jobless, homeless middle class. People who think Obama could have turned it around with such a small stimulus are insane. America didn't break the back of the Great Depression until the greatest government spending project in world history: WWII, which was 30x the size of the meek, wimpy Obama stimulus, and over 100% of GDP. America could have dumped all the war materials into the sea and the result of the government spending would have been the same: American jobs, which translates into consumer spending, which translates into more jobs -- upward spiral. Problem is: the Republicans and Blue Dogs would not give Obama a stimulus comparable to the hole Bush put in the economy. Now we are headed for a Japan style loss decade. When the Republicans take over in 2012, they will use terrorism once again to move the economy off the front page.

Many states wanted to refused but were threatened into taking it.

Very much like the banks. Remember though, this was early in the administration. Now we have state's attorneys looking for ways to opt out of all or part of Obamacare, the stimulus problems wouldn't occur again, imho.

What was the primary inducement for fence-sitters? How did he bribe LA, Nebraska, and others and get them to vote for the bill?

The promise that their states could be excluded from the draconian provisions of Obamacare.

 

[edthecynic]

Typical CON$ervative lying by half truth.

Number of deep water drilling permits rejected, ZERO (0).

Perhaps you could provide a link....otherwise STFU

So far only one permit has been applied for and it has not been rejected yet. The name of the company and the depth they want to drill at has not been released yet.

RIGZONE - Post-Ban Deepwater Drilling Permits Sought in GOM

Typical CON$ervative lying by half truth.

Number of deep water drilling permits rejected, ZERO (0).

Then the original claim is also true:
To date zero permits have been granted since it was lifted.

I never said the original claim was not true, I called it a HALF TRUTH, which means it was not the WHOLE truth. The original half truth implies that the Obama administration is refusing to issue permits. They have not refused a single permit.

Several oil companies have reported that they are PREPARING deep water permit requests and just as it takes time to PREPARE a permit request it takes time to approve it. So far only one company has submitted a permit request since the ban was lifted and it has not been rejected, it is simply under the normal review process.

Furthermore it might not even be for a deep water permit, the ONLY drilling that was banned, since the drilling depth of the request has not been released. For all we know there has yet to be even 1 request for a deep water permit!!!! Several shallow water permits have been issued since the deep water ban began, so new drilling in the Gulf has continued after the deep water ban began.

The point is the OP was designed to suggest that Obama is still banning deep water drilling even after the ban has been lifted when there is no proof to that effect, so the only tidbit of truth in the post is presented in the most deliberately misleading way possible by not telling the WHOLE truth.

Hence I said it was LYING by HALF TRUTH, which it undeniably was. The technique of telling just enough truth and then shutting up, to deliberately mislead, is a standard tactic in the CON$ervative arsenal of lies.

So in effect you're calling me a liar when I showed proof but you're showing me nothing. No links....nothing. Merely opinion.

Obama has admitted on video that he wants to make it costly to get a permit in the coal industry. I believe he intends to do the same with oil production. But he doesn't seem to want to hold foreign producers to the same standard he does with American producers. The only proof that this is the case is that no permits have been granted for Deep-water drilling since the moratorium has been lifted.

Funny how the proof that he's doing what I claim is hard to find.....as is with everything else he's been doing. Ether it's not going on or he's got an organization that's good at covering their tracks. The effect of all of this is there is a lack of trust and a great deal of uncertainty out there. Nobody knows what in the hell is going on. This alone is bad for business in a capitalist country.

Of course you are lying, I posted the link, JB edited it out but I reposted it at the top of this post.

And you're lying about coal, Obama said he would make it costly only for coal plants that don't use CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY. Yet another half truth.

And "I believe" is an opinion without proof!

Funny how the deep water ban was lifted only 30 days ago and you are complaining no permits have been issued when only one (1) permit has been applied for since the deep water ban was lifted and it has not been rejected. It takes time to prepare a permit request and it takes time to make sure the request is in compliance before it can be approved. Come back when a permit has been rejected for no reason and then you will have a legitimate complaint. Until then you are just making crap up!

 

[rdean]

The stimulus money was largely used to keep the states solvent, and it gave tax breaks to 95% of Americans. Republican governors didn't turn it down, not a penny.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/job_losses_before_and_after_obama's_policies.png

From December 2007 to July 2009 – the last year of the Bush second term and the first six months of the Obama presidency, before his policies could affect the economy – private sector employment crashed from 115,574,000 jobs to 107,778,000 jobs. Employment continued to fall, however, for the next six months, reaching a low of 107,107,000 jobs in December of 2009. So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway of their policies. Some 671,000 additional jobs were lost as the stimulus and other moves by the administration kicked in, but 630,000 jobs then came back in the following six months. The tally, to date: Mr. Obama can be held accountable for the net loss of 41,000 jobs (671,000 – 630,000), while the Republicans should be held responsible for the net losses of 7,796,000 jobs.

Bush left this country with a zombi banking sector and a bankrupt, jobless, homeless middle class. People who think Obama could have turned it around with such a small stimulus are insane. America didn't break the back of the Great Depression until the greatest government spending project in world history: WWII, which was 30x the size of the meek, wimpy Obama stimulus, and over 100% of GDP. America could have dumped all the war materials into the sea and the result of the government spending would have been the same: American jobs, which translates into consumer spending, which translates into more jobs -- upward spiral. Problem is: the Republicans and Blue Dogs would not give Obama a stimulus comparable to the hole Bush put in the economy. Now we are headed for a Japan style loss decade. When the Republicans take over in 2012, they will use terrorism once again to move the economy off the front page.

Many states wanted to refused but were threatened into taking it.

Very much like the banks. Remember though, this was early in the administration. Now we have state's attorneys looking for ways to opt out of all or part of Obamacare, the stimulus problems wouldn't occur again, imho.

Are you talking about from Bush or from Obama?

 

[The T]

Many states wanted to refused but were threatened into taking it.

Very much like the banks. Remember though, this was early in the administration. Now we have state's attorneys looking for ways to opt out of all or part of Obamacare, the stimulus problems wouldn't occur again, imho.

Are you talking about from Bush or from Obama?

Dense today aren't we?

 

[mudwhistle]

Perhaps you could provide a link....otherwise STFU

So far only one permit has been applied for and it has not been rejected yet. The name of the company and the depth they want to drill at has not been released yet.

RIGZONE - Post-Ban Deepwater Drilling Permits Sought in GOM

I never said the original claim was not true, I called it a HALF TRUTH, which means it was not the WHOLE truth. The original half truth implies that the Obama administration is refusing to issue permits. They have not refused a single permit.

Several oil companies have reported that they are PREPARING deep water permit requests and just as it takes time to PREPARE a permit request it takes time to approve it. So far only one company has submitted a permit request since the ban was lifted and it has not been rejected, it is simply under the normal review process.

Furthermore it might not even be for a deep water permit, the ONLY drilling that was banned, since the drilling depth of the request has not been released. For all we know there has yet to be even 1 request for a deep water permit!!!! Several shallow water permits have been issued since the deep water ban began, so new drilling in the Gulf has continued after the deep water ban began.

The point is the OP was designed to suggest that Obama is still banning deep water drilling even after the ban has been lifted when there is no proof to that effect, so the only tidbit of truth in the post is presented in the most deliberately misleading way possible by not telling the WHOLE truth.

Hence I said it was LYING by HALF TRUTH, which it undeniably was. The technique of telling just enough truth and then shutting up, to deliberately mislead, is a standard tactic in the CON$ervative arsenal of lies.

So in effect you're calling me a liar when I showed proof but you're showing me nothing. No links....nothing. Merely opinion.

Obama has admitted on video that he wants to make it costly to get a permit in the coal industry. I believe he intends to do the same with oil production. But he doesn't seem to want to hold foreign producers to the same standard he does with American producers. The only proof that this is the case is that no permits have been granted for Deep-water drilling since the moratorium has been lifted.

Funny how the proof that he's doing what I claim is hard to find.....as is with everything else he's been doing. Ether it's not going on or he's got an organization that's good at covering their tracks. The effect of all of this is there is a lack of trust and a great deal of uncertainty out there. Nobody knows what in the hell is going on. This alone is bad for business in a capitalist country.

Of course you are lying, I posted the link, JB edited it out but I reposted it at the top of this post.

And you're lying about coal, Obama said he would make it costly only for coal plants that don't use CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY. Yet another half truth.

And "I believe" is an opinion without proof!

Funny how the deep water ban was lifted only 30 days ago and you are complaining no permits have been issued when only one (1) permit has been applied for since the deep water ban was lifted and it has not been rejected. It takes time to prepare a permit request and it takes time to make sure the request is in compliance before it can be approved. Come back when a permit has been rejected for no reason and then you will have a legitimate complaint. Until then you are just making crap up!

You idiot. Clean Coal Technology Doesn't Fucken Exist.

CCT is just a slogan Obama's administration dreamed up out of thin air. How the hell are they gonna make coal burn clean you moron?

While you're trying to figure that one out....why don't you chew on this.....After all of those months the permits were waiting for the ban to be lifted you claim only one was applied for...and the only company that was approved was Australian?

What a great way to get American Oil production back on it's feet Osama.

 

[edthecynic]

So far only one permit has been applied for and it has not been rejected yet. The name of the company and the depth they want to drill at has not been released yet.

RIGZONE - Post-Ban Deepwater Drilling Permits Sought in GOM

So in effect you're calling me a liar when I showed proof but you're showing me nothing. No links....nothing. Merely opinion.

Obama has admitted on video that he wants to make it costly to get a permit in the coal industry. I believe he intends to do the same with oil production. But he doesn't seem to want to hold foreign producers to the same standard he does with American producers. The only proof that this is the case is that no permits have been granted for Deep-water drilling since the moratorium has been lifted.

Funny how the proof that he's doing what I claim is hard to find.....as is with everything else he's been doing. Ether it's not going on or he's got an organization that's good at covering their tracks. The effect of all of this is there is a lack of trust and a great deal of uncertainty out there. Nobody knows what in the hell is going on. This alone is bad for business in a capitalist country.

Of course you are lying, I posted the link, JB edited it out but I reposted it at the top of this post.

And you're lying about coal, Obama said he would make it costly only for coal plants that don't use CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY. Yet another half truth.

And "I believe" is an opinion without proof!

Funny how the deep water ban was lifted only 30 days ago and you are complaining no permits have been issued when only one (1) permit has been applied for since the deep water ban was lifted and it has not been rejected. It takes time to prepare a permit request and it takes time to make sure the request is in compliance before it can be approved. Come back when a permit has been rejected for no reason and then you will have a legitimate complaint. Until then you are just making crap up!

You idiot. Clean Coal Technology Doesn't Fucken Exist.

CCT is just a slogan Obama's administration dreamed up out of thin air. How the hell are they gonna make coal burn clean you moron?

While you're trying to figure that one out....why don't you chew on this.....After all of those months the permits were waiting for the ban to be lifted you claim only one was applied for...and the only company that was approved was Australian?

What a great way to get American Oil production back on it's feet Osama.

That's not what I claimed, no surprise there, New standards were set during the deep water ban so any permits waiting during the ban had to be shallow water permits. And the link I posted said the name of the one company who applied after the ban was lifted was not released, so how could you know the country of origin????

Regarding your false clean coal claims:

Behind the Plug: Clean coal facts v. fiction

Clean coal facts v. fiction
Like I’m always saying: at ACCCE, we deal with substantiated facts. For example, our oft-cited figures about clean coal technology and government support for its development come from certified reports and analyses—sources we cite when engaging in a debate.
It can be frustrating when folks on the other side of the issue don’t take the same attention to detail.
Take this recent appearance with Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer on Real Time with Bill Maher, where he discusses the merits of clean coal technology with Daily Kos publisher, Markos Moulitsas:


(1:42) Moulitsas: It’s not real. We’re not seeing it; I’d love there to be ponies that fly with little wings and unicorns and whatnot…but at the end of the day…it’s like saying, I wish everyone would stop using electricity.
(2:00) Gov. Schweitzer: It’s not fair to say that it’s not real. A plant built in 1984 is capturing CO2 and putting it back into the earth. There are other industrial processes that can make limestone bricks—building products out of the CO2— and you can make biodiesel by growing algae with CO2. It’s not realistic to say we can’t do it, it just says we have to start before we can finish.
Like Gov. Schweitzer, we know the facts are on our side. So we’ll keep advancing the dialogue with fact-based scientific and practical solutions about our clean energy future. The other guys? Perhaps they’d rather talk about unicorns.

HowStuffWorks "What is clean coal technology?"

When coal burns, it releases carbon dioxide and other emissions in flue gas, the billowing clouds you see pouring out of smoke stacks. Some clean coal technologies purify the coal before it burns. One type of coal preparation, coal washing, removes unwanted minerals by mixing crushed coal with a liquid and allowing the impurities to separate and settle.

Other systems control the coal burn to minimize emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and particulates. Wet scrubbers, or flue gas desulfurization systems, remove sulfur dioxide, a major cause of acid rain, by spraying flue gas with limestone and water. The mixture reacts with the sulfur dioxide to form synthetic gypsum, a component of drywall.

Low-NOx (nitrogen oxide) burners reduce the creation of nitrogen oxides, a cause of ground-level ozone, by restricting oxygen and manipulating the combustion process. Electrostatic precipitators remove particulates that aggravate asthma and cause respiratory ailments by charging particles with an electrical field and then capturing them on collection plates.

Gasification avoids burning coal altogether. With integrated gasification combined cycle (IGCC) systems, steam and hot pressurized air or oxygen combine with coal in a reaction that forces carbon molecules apart. The resulting syngas, a mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen, is then cleaned and burned in a gas turbine to make electricity. The heat energy from the gas turbine also powers a steam turbine. Since IGCC power plants create two forms of energy, they have the potential to reach a fuel efficiency of 50 percent [source: U.S. Department of Energy].


Carbon capture and storage -- perhaps the most promising clean coal technology -- catches and sequesters carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from stationary sources like power plants. Since CO2 contributes to global warming, reducing its release into the atmosphere has become a major international concern. In order to discover the most efficient and economical means of carbon capture, researchers have developed several technologies.

Flue-gas separation removes CO2 with a solvent, strips off the CO2 with steam, and condenses the steam into a concentrated stream. Flue gas separation renders commercially usable CO2, which helps offset its price. Another process, oxy-fuel combustion, burns the fuel in pure or enriched oxygen to create a flue gas composed primarily of CO2 and water -- this sidesteps the energy-intensive process of separating the CO2 from other flue gasses. A third technology, pre-combustion capture, removes the CO2 before it's burned as a part of a gasification process.

After capture, secure containers sequester the collected CO2 to prevent or stall its reentry into the atmosphere. The two storage options, geologic and oceanic, must contain the CO2 until peak emissions subside hundreds of years from now. Geologic storage involves injecting CO2 into the earth. Depleted oil or gas fields and deep saline aquifers safely contain CO2 while unminable coal seams absorb it. A process called enhanced oil recovery already uses CO2 to maintain pressure and improve extraction in oil reservoirs.

Ocean storage, a technology still in its early stages, involves injecting liquid CO2 into waters 500 to 3,000 meters deep, where it dissolves under pressure. However, this method would slightly decrease pH and potentially harm marine habitats. All forms of CO2 storage require careful preparation and monitoring to avoid creating environmental problems that outweigh the benefits of CO2 containment.