The Lies of Franklin Roosevelt

1. You responded to none of the points raised in my post.

In fact, "one of the solutions for conservatives is that more become historians" ignores the exact point raised.


2. "I also accept the premise that we had spies in the USSR, I also think our spies were, and are, better, if getting caught is a criteria."

Diaphanous excuse.
In fact, I will construct an OP showing that quite the opposite is true.
Thanks for the idea.

Perhaps universities do not hire as many conservatives as liberals because of the mission of the university? There are a number of conservative universities with conservative faculties, and conservative messages, but it seems their conservative message has to be coupled with religion. Then again, maybe the conservative message does not stand up to academic study. In fact, some of the major universities of today began as religious schools, they might have dropped the religion and kept the conservatism, but did not, why?
I can see where conservatives believe it is the faculties responsible for liberal schools but I believe liberalism has its own call to students, the very sort of the thing that caused Galileo to be placed under house arrest.






"...universities do not hire as many conservatives as liberals because of the mission of the university?"


This can be seen in Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton: “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.” (Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111


Same from Obama:

"U.S. President Barack Obama gives the commencement address to the graduating class of The Ohio State University at Ohio Stadium on May 5, 2013 in Columbus, Ohio.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave, and creative, and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can't be trusted."
Obama To Grads: Reject Voices That Warn About Government Tyranny | RealClearPolitics




Get it?
Make them unlike the men who made this country great.


Progressives. Disgusting.

Where is the Obama quote that says make them unlike the men who...?
 
Perhaps universities do not hire as many conservatives as liberals because of the mission of the university? There are a number of conservative universities with conservative faculties, and conservative messages, but it seems their conservative message has to be coupled with religion. Then again, maybe the conservative message does not stand up to academic study. In fact, some of the major universities of today began as religious schools, they might have dropped the religion and kept the conservatism, but did not, why?
I can see where conservatives believe it is the faculties responsible for liberal schools but I believe liberalism has its own call to students, the very sort of the thing that caused Galileo to be placed under house arrest.






"...universities do not hire as many conservatives as liberals because of the mission of the university?"


This can be seen in Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton: “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.” (Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111


Same from Obama:

"U.S. President Barack Obama gives the commencement address to the graduating class of The Ohio State University at Ohio Stadium on May 5, 2013 in Columbus, Ohio.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave, and creative, and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can't be trusted."
Obama To Grads: Reject Voices That Warn About Government Tyranny | RealClearPolitics




Get it?
Make them unlike the men who made this country great.


Progressives. Disgusting.

Where is the Obama quote that says make them unlike the men who...?




Are you pretending not to see the same sentiment in the Obama quote above, as Wilson's?

Careful now...this is an IQ test.
 
FD-fucking-R was a lowlife scumbag who soiled the office of the President, imperiled our from of government, meddled disastrously with our economy, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, played the useful fool (at best) for a communist dictator, and violated the very principles upon which this great nation was founded. Truly one of the worst villains in American history.
 
FDR wouldn't join with Hitler to attack Stalin.

Hence, many conservatives hate FDR.

There's no need to look for complex explanations, when the simple explanation is in front of you.
 
It's too bad that this post goes in "History," because the FDR endeavors are largely responsible for the social breakdown we face today....
Under Roosevelt's alignment with Soviet communism the United States "exchanged foundational principles and guiding ideas" for some sort of vain, destructive, moral relativity.






1. Behind FDR's lies and actions which served to cover and support Stalin's murderous regime had to be the belief that, either,
FDR was a devotee of communism and anticipated imposing it on America..
....or, that he believed that he could incorporate Stalin into an organization with himself as the 'CEO.'

The former explanation would represent illimitable evil.....the latter, abysmal ignorance.





2. There is the false notion that FDR's infatuations began due to a need for the Soviet Union's aid in WWII, .....but he rushed to recognize them in 1933- was the first hint.

Is 'infatuation' too strong? Was there kind of political romance with Stalin?
Consider the following pieces of the puzzle before you consider it hyperbolic:

a. As former ambassador to the Soviet Union, William Bullitt, queried him about why he, FDR, persuaded the public that "communists had become the friends of democracy" and that he should remind all "that Communists in the United States are just as dangerous enemies as ever, and should not be allowed to crawl into our productive mechanism in order later to wreck it when they get new orders from somewhere abroad."
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 522

b. Roosevelt threw himself into shoring up the USSR at any cost- in July of 1942 he lost 23 out of 34 ships in just one Lend-Lease supply voyage...

c. ...151,000 troops were left unsupplied in the Philippines....think Bataan Death March...

d. ....the British colony of Singapore was left without air cover in order to satisfy Stalin's desire for the planes. Found in Paul Johnson's "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.
Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

e. ...Roosevelt purged anti-communist Foreign Service officers when given a "list of officials who were supposedly undermining American relations with Russia" by Soviet Foreign Minister Litvinov. The purges began in 1937, and, irony of irony, Litvinov was dragged out of his position and replaced with Molotov, by Stalin, because Litvinov was Jewish, and Stalin had treaties with Hitler.

f. The New Deal 'reorganization' of the State Department called for the destruction of "the best Soviet Library in the United States." (according to Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European Affairs Officer, State Department.) The 'Library' was broken up and dispersed among various files in the Library of Congress.
"Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies" by M. Stanton Evans, p. 83-84




3. Representative Martin Dies formed a committed to investigate communism, but found that government archives of communist records and correspondence had been destroyed. He wrote: "I was informed, confidentially, by a man well placed in the Department of Justice, that they were destroyed after it was learned that the Dies Committee was determined to conduct a full-scale investigation of Communism."
It was Harry Hopkins, FDR's White House live-in Soviet spy, who turned down Dies' request of assistance from Roosevelt to help furnish the nascent committee with a staff of lawyers, investigators and stenographers.
Dies, "Martin Dies' Story," p. 64.

a. Although the reference 'card-carrying Communist' was once accurate, the CPUSA stopped issuing cards once the Dies Committee began hearings. The highest membership serial number that his committee came across was 195,762.
'Given that Communists strive for quality, it was amazing tht they had been able to grow from 10,000 aliens in 1919 to nearly 200,000 members in 1938, mostly naive born or naturalized citizens."
Dies, Ibid, p. 62-63.




4. Remarkable as the attempt to make files inaccessible seems, it is just as common during Obama's term, during which both the Justice Department and the Pentagon have overseen the methodical purges of "anti-Islamic" educational materials from security and military files and training courses.
Diana West, "American Betrayal," chapter one.




5. "Because the American way and the Soviet system were diametrically opposed, FDR had to lie to present common ground to the American people. In order to make his Big Lie stick, he also had to remove the people who knew better. Literally. On a larger, more punitive scale, [Victor] Kravchenko discussed the same process."
West, Ibid, p. 247.


Kravchenko wrote, of his Soviet experiences:

"Shamelessly, without so much as an explanation, it revised half a century of Russian history. I don't mean simply that it falsified some facts or gave a new interpretation of events. I mean that it deliberately stood history on its head, expunging events and inventing facts.

It twisted the recent past--a past still fresh in millions of memories--into new and bizarre shapes, to conform with the version of affairs presented by the blood-purge trials and the accompanying propaganda... The roles of leading historical figures were perverted or altogether erased.... More than that, living witnesses, as far as possible, were removed. The directing staff of the Institute of Marx, Engels and Lenin in Moscow, repository of ideological truth, were removed and the more important people among them imprisoned or shot."
Text collection


And that is what FDR did in America.

...did to America.

"In 1926, Roosevelt started the non-profit Georgia Warm Springs Foundation on the site of the springs he visited to partake of the waters' therapeutic effects. Twelve years later, he reinvented the charity as the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (NFIP). The NFIP was a non-partisan association of health scientists and volunteers that helped fund research for a polio vaccine and assisted victims on the long path through physical rehabilitation. Funded originally through the generosity of wealthy celebrities at yearly President's Birthday Balls, the foundation could not raise money fast enough to keep pace with polio's continued toll on America's children and, during the Depression, the polio epidemic worsened. In 1938, Roosevelt decided to appeal to the general public for help. At one fundraiser, celebrity singer Eddie Cantor jokingly urged the public to send dimes to the president, coining the term March of Dimes. The public took his appeal seriously, flooding the White House with 2,680,000 dimes and thousands of dollars in donations"

Franklin Roosevelt founds March of Dimes ? History.com This Day in History ? 1/3/1938

What has PoliticalChic done in her miserable life besides spread hate, fear and partisanship in an effort to further divide our country?

What is her agenda? Besides character assassinations and the RED SCARE?

she is literally: ethnically, culturally and mentally a Michelle Malkin clone, who has no deep understanding of our country and its history
 
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It's too bad that this post goes in "History," because the FDR endeavors are largely responsible for the social breakdown we face today....
Under Roosevelt's alignment with Soviet communism the United States "exchanged foundational principles and guiding ideas" for some sort of vain, destructive, moral relativity.






1. Behind FDR's lies and actions which served to cover and support Stalin's murderous regime had to be the belief that, either,
FDR was a devotee of communism and anticipated imposing it on America..
....or, that he believed that he could incorporate Stalin into an organization with himself as the 'CEO.'

The former explanation would represent illimitable evil.....the latter, abysmal ignorance.





2. There is the false notion that FDR's infatuations began due to a need for the Soviet Union's aid in WWII, .....but he rushed to recognize them in 1933- was the first hint.

Is 'infatuation' too strong? Was there kind of political romance with Stalin?
Consider the following pieces of the puzzle before you consider it hyperbolic:

a. As former ambassador to the Soviet Union, William Bullitt, queried him about why he, FDR, persuaded the public that "communists had become the friends of democracy" and that he should remind all "that Communists in the United States are just as dangerous enemies as ever, and should not be allowed to crawl into our productive mechanism in order later to wreck it when they get new orders from somewhere abroad."
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 522

b. Roosevelt threw himself into shoring up the USSR at any cost- in July of 1942 he lost 23 out of 34 ships in just one Lend-Lease supply voyage...

c. ...151,000 troops were left unsupplied in the Philippines....think Bataan Death March...

d. ....the British colony of Singapore was left without air cover in order to satisfy Stalin's desire for the planes. Found in Paul Johnson's "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.
Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

e. ...Roosevelt purged anti-communist Foreign Service officers when given a "list of officials who were supposedly undermining American relations with Russia" by Soviet Foreign Minister Litvinov. The purges began in 1937, and, irony of irony, Litvinov was dragged out of his position and replaced with Molotov, by Stalin, because Litvinov was Jewish, and Stalin had treaties with Hitler.

f. The New Deal 'reorganization' of the State Department called for the destruction of "the best Soviet Library in the United States." (according to Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European Affairs Officer, State Department.) The 'Library' was broken up and dispersed among various files in the Library of Congress.
"Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies" by M. Stanton Evans, p. 83-84




3. Representative Martin Dies formed a committed to investigate communism, but found that government archives of communist records and correspondence had been destroyed. He wrote: "I was informed, confidentially, by a man well placed in the Department of Justice, that they were destroyed after it was learned that the Dies Committee was determined to conduct a full-scale investigation of Communism."
It was Harry Hopkins, FDR's White House live-in Soviet spy, who turned down Dies' request of assistance from Roosevelt to help furnish the nascent committee with a staff of lawyers, investigators and stenographers.
Dies, "Martin Dies' Story," p. 64.

a. Although the reference 'card-carrying Communist' was once accurate, the CPUSA stopped issuing cards once the Dies Committee began hearings. The highest membership serial number that his committee came across was 195,762.
'Given that Communists strive for quality, it was amazing tht they had been able to grow from 10,000 aliens in 1919 to nearly 200,000 members in 1938, mostly naive born or naturalized citizens."
Dies, Ibid, p. 62-63.




4. Remarkable as the attempt to make files inaccessible seems, it is just as common during Obama's term, during which both the Justice Department and the Pentagon have overseen the methodical purges of "anti-Islamic" educational materials from security and military files and training courses.
Diana West, "American Betrayal," chapter one.




5. "Because the American way and the Soviet system were diametrically opposed, FDR had to lie to present common ground to the American people. In order to make his Big Lie stick, he also had to remove the people who knew better. Literally. On a larger, more punitive scale, [Victor] Kravchenko discussed the same process."
West, Ibid, p. 247.


Kravchenko wrote, of his Soviet experiences:

"Shamelessly, without so much as an explanation, it revised half a century of Russian history. I don't mean simply that it falsified some facts or gave a new interpretation of events. I mean that it deliberately stood history on its head, expunging events and inventing facts.

It twisted the recent past--a past still fresh in millions of memories--into new and bizarre shapes, to conform with the version of affairs presented by the blood-purge trials and the accompanying propaganda... The roles of leading historical figures were perverted or altogether erased.... More than that, living witnesses, as far as possible, were removed. The directing staff of the Institute of Marx, Engels and Lenin in Moscow, repository of ideological truth, were removed and the more important people among them imprisoned or shot."
Text collection


And that is what FDR did in America.

...did to America.

"In 1926, Roosevelt started the non-profit Georgia Warm Springs Foundation on the site of the springs he visited to partake of the waters' therapeutic effects. Twelve years later, he reinvented the charity as the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (NFIP). The NFIP was a non-partisan association of health scientists and volunteers that helped fund research for a polio vaccine and assisted victims on the long path through physical rehabilitation. Funded originally through the generosity of wealthy celebrities at yearly President's Birthday Balls, the foundation could not raise money fast enough to keep pace with polio's continued toll on America's children and, during the Depression, the polio epidemic worsened. In 1938, Roosevelt decided to appeal to the general public for help. At one fundraiser, celebrity singer Eddie Cantor jokingly urged the public to send dimes to the president, coining the term March of Dimes. The public took his appeal seriously, flooding the White House with 2,680,000 dimes and thousands of dollars in donations"

Franklin Roosevelt founds March of Dimes ? History.com This Day in History ? 1/3/1938

What has PoliticalChic done in her miserable life besides spread hate, fear and partisanship in an effort to further divide our country?

What is her agenda? Besides character assassinations and the RED SCARE?

she is literally: ethnically, culturally and mentally a Michelle Malkin clone, who has no deep understanding of our country and its history



1. "she is literally: ethnically, culturally and mentally a Michelle Malkin...."

A Michelle Malkin comparison???

I am truly honored.




2. "...has no deep understanding of our country and its history"


Our posts, I am certain, prove otherwise.
 
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In a thread about FDR's lies, and the milieu he created wherein others, also, lied about Stalin and the Soviet Union, and communism itself, I would be remiss not to mention today's 'anniversary.'


Today....March 31st, 1933

Walter Duranty reported in the NYTimes “there is no famine (in the Ukraine)”
while 7 –10 million were starved to death. In his New York Times articles (including one published on March 31, 1933),



Duranty repeatedly denied the existence of a Ukrainian famine in 1932–33.

In an August 24, 1933 article in NYT, he claimed "any report of a famine is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda. Duranty won a Pulitzer Prize in 1932.






Democrats, Liberals, Progressives lying for totalitarian homicidal maniacs is hardly new or unusual.....


NYTimes’ Harrison Salisbury traveled to North Vietnam in 1966-67, and reported that the US was deliberately targeting the civilian population.

But Guenter Lewy, in “America in Vietnam,” revealed that “Only after the articles had appeared did a small number of persons learn that Salisbury, in effect, had given the authority of his byline to unverified Communist propaganda and the New York Times printed it as though Salisbury had established it himself with his own on-the-scene reporting…borrowed extensively from a North Vietnamese propaganda pamphlet, “Report on US War Crimes in Nam-Dinh City…”
Lewy, p. 400-401
 
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FDR is responsible for the Communist genocide of almost 100 million humans. The world would have been a better place if he didn't so openly support Mao and Stalin.

You must get this information to the historians of AmQUOTerica, every historical group in this country should know this new information. As soon as the historians know what you know they will stop rating FDR as America's greatest president and rate him, at least sixth worst, just below Bush. Don't waste a minute.[/QUOTE]

Yeah its disgusting seeing his face on your coin you pull out.:mad: Every president we have had since Hoover,with the exception of JFK was a mass murderer and traiter to americans.thats what the real history of our presidents is.

You wont hear any of that from the lamestream media of course.Only the alternative press that reports it like it is that there is no difference between the two parties.That its really a one party system designed to look like two parties so the sheople think they have a choice in who gets elected.thats the only place you will hear the truth about FDR and the corruption of every president we had since Hoover.JFK again being the lone exception.
 
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FDR served the bankers and the establishment well so he stayed alive and they kept him around as his reward for that.
 
The RIGHT is often so close to getting it.

They understand the flawed relationship that the DEMS have to the masters, but for tfe life of them (and our Republic) they constanctly fail to see that same relationship in the REPS.

How can they miss something so obvious?

I have a theory...they don't.

We are NOT really communicating with serious Republican thinkers, here.

I'm, not even sure these people ARE republicans.

When I speak to rank and file Republians here in Mid Coast Maine they ALL seem to understand that THEIR PARTY is as captured by the Masters as the DEMs are.

Why is the self proclaiming CONS in this place are so much like propagandists, and so much NOT like the REPs I know?
 
"The masters"?



His post, is seems, is an attempt to paint both sides with that equivalence that the Left endeavors to hide behind.....
They shrug off the hundred million slaughtered by collectivists in the past century.


Logic, experience, facts, all show the dangers of collectivism.....but those folks accept it in exchange for the embrace of the herd, and its material rewards.



Sadly, it fits into a flaw of human nature.
 
The RIGHT is often so close to getting it.

They understand the flawed relationship that the DEMS have to the masters, but for tfe life of them (and our Republic) they constanctly fail to see that same relationship in the REPS.

How can they miss something so obvious?

I have a theory...they don't.

We are NOT really communicating with serious Republican thinkers, here.

I'm, not even sure these people ARE republicans.

When I speak to rank and file Republians here in Mid Coast Maine they ALL seem to understand that THEIR PARTY is as captured by the Masters as the DEMs are.

Why is the self proclaiming CONS in this place are so much like propagandists, and so much NOT like the REPs I know?

Bravo,Bravo.stands up and gives standing ovation.

:eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_clap::beer::clap::clap::clap::clap::udaman:
 
The RIGHT is often so close to getting it.

They understand the flawed relationship that the DEMS have to the masters, but for tfe life of them (and our Republic) they constanctly fail to see that same relationship in the REPS.

How can they miss something so obvious?

I have a theory...they don't.

We are NOT really communicating with serious Republican thinkers, here.

I'm, not even sure these people ARE republicans.

When I speak to rank and file Republians here in Mid Coast Maine they ALL seem to understand that THEIR PARTY is as captured by the Masters as the DEMs are.

Why is the self proclaiming CONS in this place are so much like propagandists, and so much NOT like the REPs I know?

Bravo,Bravo.stands up and gives standing ovation.

:eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_clap::beer::clap::clap::clap::clap::udaman:





Careful.....if you stand up, you may lose your seat on the bizarro bus.
 
FDR,Churchill,,and Eisenhower were no better men that Stalin himself.All of them have been seen in photos hanging out with him having a jolly old good time.They were all mass murderers.Pretty much every president since Hoover has been a liar and mass murderer.

If they arent and dont do what their masters tell them to do,they end up like kennedy. the one exception of all the ones since Hoover who didnt bow down to his masters.the american sheople here at the site dont seem to get that though that the president is just a puppet.a mouthpiece for the establsihment. FDR in a long line that started under Hoover.
 
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here it is spelled out dummies style by another poster below.

The RIGHT is often so close to getting it.

They understand the flawed relationship that the DEMS have to the masters, but for tfe life of them (and our Republic) they constanctly fail to see that same relationship in the REPS.

How can they miss something so obvious?

I have a theory...they don't.

We are NOT really communicating with serious Republican thinkers, here.

I'm, not even sure these people ARE republicans.

When I speak to rank and file Republians here in Mid Coast Maine they ALL seem to understand that THEIR PARTY is as captured by the Masters as the DEMs are.

Why is the self proclaiming CONS in this place are so much like propagandists, and so much NOT like the REPs I know?
 

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