The Lie That Broke Israel's Back

[The Rabbi]

The part where you say countries are invented, but somehow the country of Palestine can't be invented. Israel and Palestine were both invented by the U.N. in 1948. That's FACT. The U.N. just reaffirmed that creation. I guess the part I don't get is, why you think the fact that there's never been a country called Palestine before is relevant. Until the 20th century there never were countries called Belarus, Slovenia or Slovakia, either. So what? You're just using double talk. One minute a country can be invented and the next it can't.

You seem to want to make the argument that since Israel was declared a state by the UN then "Palestine" can be declared a state too. I don't argue with that assertion. The UN can declare your living room a state as well. That doesn't really mean much though.
But the Big Lie is not that Palestine cannot be invented. It is that there was ever a Palestine to begin with. There was not. Israel did not capture the territory from "Palestine." It captured it from Egypt, Syria and Jordan. So the UN is not reconstituting Palestine. It is inventing something that never existed previously.

The UN did no such thing. Israel declared itself a state. Other States then recognized the new state. The Patrition Plan was voted on by the GA in 1947 but before the UNSC could take up the matter, the war on the ground between the original occupants and the future Israelites was heating up.

So the UN never recognized a state of Israel? odd.

 

[BlindBoo]

You seem to want to make the argument that since Israel was declared a state by the UN then "Palestine" can be declared a state too. I don't argue with that assertion. The UN can declare your living room a state as well. That doesn't really mean much though.
But the Big Lie is not that Palestine cannot be invented. It is that there was ever a Palestine to begin with. There was not. Israel did not capture the territory from "Palestine." It captured it from Egypt, Syria and Jordan. So the UN is not reconstituting Palestine. It is inventing something that never existed previously.

The UN did no such thing. Israel declared itself a state. Other States then recognized the new state. The Patrition Plan was voted on by the GA in 1947 but before the UNSC could take up the matter, the war on the ground between the original occupants and the future Israelites was heating up.

So the UN never recognized a state of Israel? odd.

Odd? Maybe but true. Israel was created by the will of men, sustained by their weapons of course. The US was the first to recognize her, I think?

Here's what the U.N.'s own charter, and international law have to say on the matter:

"The recognition of a new State or Government is an act that only other States and Governments may grant or withhold. It generally implies readiness to assume diplomatic relations. The United Nations is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize either a State or a Government," according to the United Nations.

A state may be considered a state by other countries, but not be a member of the U.N. -- as is the case with the Holy See and Kosovo, for example. The United States recognizes 195 states, whereas there are only 193 members of the U.N.

U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice made the U.S. government's stance on the Palestinians abundantly clear after Friday's vote, telling the assembly: "This resolution does not establish that Palestine is a state."

Is Palestine now a state? - CBS News

 

[konradv]

What Arab state was created in 1948 by the UN? What was its capital? What form of gov't did it have?

You seem to have wimped out here, not surprisingly.
Between WW1 and 2 Palestine was populated by Arabs and Jews. Jews had a country there for hundreds of years. Now they have one again. Arabs also have a country, known as Jordan. Let the "Palestinians" move to Jordan.

Palestine was created before 1948, therefore it pre-dates Israel. Israel was carved out of a portion of Palestine by the U.N. The real question is why Israel considers itself entitled to the whole thing when you admit that the country was populated by Arabs and Jews?

You're not answering the questions. Palestine was created by the Romans as a province. The state of Israel preceded that. Israel does not consider itself entitled to the whole thing since the whole thing also includes Jordan, which was part of the Mandate. But in modern times there was no state called Palestine, a point you've failed to acknowledge over and over.

Palestine doesn't include Jordan. It was recognized as a separate state in 1922 and became independent in 1946. Using your logic there are no such countries as Syria or Iraq, either. The fact that there was a state of Israel in antiquity is irrelevant to the modern problem, especially since they weren't even the first state to occupy the territory. How far back do you want to go? Any way you look at it, it's irrelevant to the modern situation.

 

[The Rabbi]

Palestine was created before 1948, therefore it pre-dates Israel. Israel was carved out of a portion of Palestine by the U.N. The real question is why Israel considers itself entitled to the whole thing when you admit that the country was populated by Arabs and Jews?

You're not answering the questions. Palestine was created by the Romans as a province. The state of Israel preceded that. Israel does not consider itself entitled to the whole thing since the whole thing also includes Jordan, which was part of the Mandate. But in modern times there was no state called Palestine, a point you've failed to acknowledge over and over.

Palestine doesn't include Jordan. It was recognized as a separate state in 1922 and became independent in 1946. Using your logic there are no such countries as Syria or Iraq, either. The fact that there was a state of Israel in antiquity is irrelevant to the modern problem, especially since they weren't even the first state to occupy the territory. How far back do you want to go? Any way you look at it, it's irrelevant to the modern situation.

Uh, no.

So we can agree there was never any state called "Palestine" thus Israel is not "giving back" any land to Palestinians. Thus the Big Lie of the OP is proven true.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

LOL...another uneducated idiot.

What was Syria's role in this?

What Nasser doing in the Sinai?

Dumbfuck.

In 1948, one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish State by force of arms upon two-thirds of all Palestinians. In 1967 the Jews launched another war that lasted six days, tripled the amount of land controlled by Israel and subjected another one million Arabs to Jewish occupation

"Arab armies had been vanquished in six days, the territories lost to Israel."

Those territories were and are subject to international law like this from the Fourth Geneva Convention:

"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

Over the past forty years Israel has filled the Occupied Territories with hundreds of thousands of Jews from all around the planet in violation of international law.

The Big Lie comes when Israel annexs all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and five million Jews rule six million Arabs in a "democratic" state.

It wasn't Syria or Nasser's role in the Sinai that set al-Nakba in motion, Moron; it was 650,000 Jews inflicting a Jewish State on the majority of Palestinians in 1948.

"The 1948 Palestinian exodus, known in Arabic as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة*, an-Nakbah, lit. 'disaster', 'catastrophe', or 'cataclysm'),[1] occurred when approximately 711,000 to 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War."

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict​

History of the Israeli

 

[konradv]

You're not answering the questions. Palestine was created by the Romans as a province. The state of Israel preceded that. Israel does not consider itself entitled to the whole thing since the whole thing also includes Jordan, which was part of the Mandate. But in modern times there was no state called Palestine, a point you've failed to acknowledge over and over.

Palestine doesn't include Jordan. It was recognized as a separate state in 1922 and became independent in 1946. Using your logic there are no such countries as Syria or Iraq, either. The fact that there was a state of Israel in antiquity is irrelevant to the modern problem, especially since they weren't even the first state to occupy the territory. How far back do you want to go? Any way you look at it, it's irrelevant to the modern situation.

Uh, no.

So we can agree there was never any state called "Palestine" thus Israel is not "giving back" any land to Palestinians. Thus the Big Lie of the OP is proven true.

I see two different colors on the map. Why is one labeled and the other not? Because you erased the label, it doesn't exist?!?! What was the Palestine mandate, if not a country like Syria, Iraq or Jordan? If Jordan is a country, why not Palestine? All that map seems to prove is that the Israelis have territorial designs not only on all Palestinian land, but on Jordanian, Syrian and Lebanese land, too!!! You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper here.

 

[The Rabbi]

Wow are you stupid. I guess anti-semitism really is the provence of dolts.

The map shows the British Mandate, which included Jordan. They sliced off Jordan in the 1920s. It was and is a monarchy with the capital at Amman. Why doesn't Jordan cede land to the palestinians?

Anyway, we have shown there was no Palestinian state that Israel could have conquered its territory. "Palestine" was a geographical term, not a political one.
the dolts have lost. Again.

 

[konradv]

Wow are you stupid. I guess anti-semitism really is the provence of dolts.

The map shows the British Mandate, which included Jordan. They sliced off Jordan in the 1920s. It was and is a monarchy with the capital at Amman. Why doesn't Jordan cede land to the palestinians?

Anyway, we have shown there was no Palestinian state that Israel could have conquered its territory. "Palestine" was a geographical term, not a political one.
the dolts have lost. Again.

Mandates are political entities. They contain populations, not just land. FAIL..., AGAIN!!!

 

[BlindBoo]

Wow are you stupid. I guess anti-semitism really is the provence of dolts.

The map shows the British Mandate, which included Jordan. They sliced off Jordan in the 1920s. It was and is a monarchy with the capital at Amman. Why doesn't Jordan cede land to the palestinians?

Anyway, we have shown there was no Palestinian state that Israel could have conquered its territory. "Palestine" was a geographical term, not a political one.
the dolts have lost. Again.

Your map doesn't show an entity named Israel either. Israel carved itself a nice slice of the Palestine Mandate.

 

[The Rabbi]

Wow are you stupid. I guess anti-semitism really is the provence of dolts.

The map shows the British Mandate, which included Jordan. They sliced off Jordan in the 1920s. It was and is a monarchy with the capital at Amman. Why doesn't Jordan cede land to the palestinians?

Anyway, we have shown there was no Palestinian state that Israel could have conquered its territory. "Palestine" was a geographical term, not a political one.
the dolts have lost. Again.

Mandates are political entities. They contain populations, not just land. FAIL..., AGAIN!!!

Oh good Lrd.
What is the capital of the Mandate? WHat form of government did it have?
The Mandate was not a political entity. It was an administrative entity. It was a geographic entity.
You fail. Once more.\
You know if you fail just 10 more times you win a set of orange juice glasses. I'm sure you will do it.

 

[Antares]

Again you are uneducated child

How many Jooos u kilt kid?

Wrong again, Jew-stool!
In 1967 Egypt and Syria were responding to kosher threats that began in 1948 when 650, 000 Jews inflicted a Jewish State on 1.2 million Arabs in Palestine. Israel attacked first in '67 four days before the heroic Jews killed 34 Americans on board the USS Liberty. Or maybe you think Syria and Nasser planned that too?

Maybe you should dismiss your ignorance before making a complete bitch of yourself?
Too late.

 

[georgephillip]

Ask your rabbi, roo:

"The more stringent will note that unlike the Hamas government, our government (Israel) does not pay the salaries of rabbis who advocate the killing of babies.

"Is that so? Not really.

"For example, government ministries regularly transfer support and funding to a yeshiva whose rabbi determined that it is permissible to kill gentile babies 'because their presence assists murder, and there is reason to harm children if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us ... it is permissible to harm the children of a leader in order to stop him from acting evilly ... we have seen in the Halakha that even babies of gentiles who do not violate the seven Noahide laws, there is cause to kill them because of the future threat that will be caused if they are raised to be wicked people like their parents.'"

Who is funding the rabbi who endorses killing gentile babies? - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper