The Liberal War on Women?

[BDBoop]

This is another example of what has become standard for the rightwing propaganda machine. It's a propaganda tactic...

...you take an issue that you're getting beat up on, and you concoct an attack against the Democrats accusing them of doing the same thing you're getting beat up on. No matter how absurd it may be.

The idea behind it is to so confuse the issue, so muddy the waters so to speak, that what was once a legitimate attack on your side gets turned into what looks like one more us vs. them partisan squabble,

that you hope people get sick of and start to tune out.

Exactly.

I agree that the ad is superficial. But you are so easily brushing aside the Democrat nonsense. There was no Republican war on women. The contraceptive issue was the biggest concocted rubbish ever if you want to talk about "propaganda."

They started over a 1000 bills, and I don't give a shit that the bulk of them got nowhere. The Republicans were, and are, waging a war on women, and you declaring that the emperor r 2 wearing clothes won't change a thing.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Exactly.

I agree that the ad is superficial. But you are so easily brushing aside the Democrat nonsense. There was no Republican war on women. The contraceptive issue was the biggest concocted rubbish ever if you want to talk about "propaganda."

They started over a 1000 bills, and I don't give a shit that the bulk of them got nowhere. The Republicans were, and are, waging a war on women, and you declaring that the emperor r 2 wearing clothes won't change a thing.

Over a thousand bills?

 

[Si modo]

Exactly.

I agree that the ad is superficial. But you are so easily brushing aside the Democrat nonsense. There was no Republican war on women. The contraceptive issue was the biggest concocted rubbish ever if you want to talk about "propaganda."

They started over a 1000 bills, and I don't give a shit that the bulk of them got nowhere. The Republicans were, and are, waging a war on women, and you declaring that the emperor r 2 wearing clothes won't change a thing.

Dayum, now I will say it. See someone to have your lithium levels checked and adjusted. Seriously.

 

[BDBoop]

I agree that the ad is superficial. But you are so easily brushing aside the Democrat nonsense. There was no Republican war on women. The contraceptive issue was the biggest concocted rubbish ever if you want to talk about "propaganda."

They started over a 1000 bills, and I don't give a shit that the bulk of them got nowhere. The Republicans were, and are, waging a war on women, and you declaring that the emperor r 2 wearing clothes won't change a thing.

Over a thousand bills?

Introduced. Yes.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

This is another example of what has become standard for the rightwing propaganda machine. It's a propaganda tactic...

...you take an issue that you're getting beat up on, and you concoct an attack against the Democrats accusing them of doing the same thing you're getting beat up on. No matter how absurd it may be.

The idea behind it is to so confuse the issue, so muddy the waters so to speak, that what was once a legitimate attack on your side gets turned into what looks like one more us vs. them partisan squabble,

that you hope people get sick of and start to tune out.

Exactly.

not exactly......

This is another example of what has become standard for the rightwing propaganda machine. It's a propaganda tactic...

...you take an issue that you're getting beat up on, and you concoct an attack against the Democrats accusing them of doing the same thing you're getting beat up on. No matter how absurd it may be.

The idea behind it is to so confuse the issue, so muddy the waters so to speak, that what was once a legitimate attack on your side gets turned into what looks like one more us vs. them partisan squabble,

that you hope people get sick of and start to tune out.

But the thing is the ad uses numbers which are able to be verified so how is it a "concocted attack"?

I personally feel the presidents policies have been bad for all americans, overall, regardless of sex, race, religion, or other identifiers but this just doesn't appear concocted since there is accurate data being used.

I understand the portrayal is overly negative, it is american crossroads, but the data is what it is regardless of the descriptors being used in the ad for it.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

They started over a 1000 bills, and I don't give a shit that the bulk of them got nowhere. The Republicans were, and are, waging a war on women, and you declaring that the emperor r 2 wearing clothes won't change a thing.

Over a thousand bills?

Introduced. Yes.

Which bills did they introduce in an effort to wage an alleged war on women? Lets go through each bill you think is part of this alleged war on women one at a time. Just post one and tell us why its a war on women and we can all discuss them.

Maybe you are right, lets prove it.

 

[BDBoop]

State Trends for 2011 on Abortion, Family Planning, Sex Education and Insurance

That was in the first quarter of 2011. Nine hundred and sixteen at that point. And they haven't let up.

They COULD be working on jobs. But no.

 

[Si modo]

Over a thousand bills?

Introduced. Yes.

Which bills did they introduce in an effort to wage an alleged war on women? Lets go through each bill you think is part of this alleged war on women one at a time. Just post one and tell us why its a war on women and we can all discuss them.

wMaybe you are right, lets prove it.

I know for sure she is all in a tizzy because Michigan dared to try to get a bill passed which mandated that all venues where this medical procedure are performed must comply with state health standards that other venues where medical procedures are performed. If that's a "war on women", as I woman, I welcome it.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

State Trends for 2011 on Abortion, Family Planning, Sex Education and Insurance

That was in the first quarter of 2011. Nine hundred and sixteen at that point. And they haven't let up.

They COULD be working on jobs. But no.

here are a few bills aimed at helping emplyers, the economy, and the jobs market that republicans introduced, there are more than this.



H.R. 2433—Veterans Opportunity to Work Act: H.R. 2433 would create or modify programs that provide employment and training services to veterans and service members separating from active duty. The bill would also make changes to programs that offer home loan guarantees, ambulance services, and pension payments to qualifying individuals. Among other things, the bill would provide up to 12 months of Veterans Retraining Assistance to no more than 100,000 unemployed veterans that enter education or training programs at community colleges or technical schools to prepare them for employment in an occupational field that is determined by Department of Labor to have significant employment opportunities.

H.R. 2018—Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011: H.R. 2018 would a restrict the EPA ability to issue a revised or new water quality standard for a pollutant whenever a state has adopted and EPA already has approved a water quality standard for that pollutant, unless the state concurs with the EPA Administrator’s determination that the revised or new standard is necessary to meet the requirements of the Clean Water Act. The bill would prevent unilateral actions by the EPA that second-guess the decisions of the state regulatory agency.

H.R. 1938— North American-Made Energy Security Act: H.R. 1938 would direct the President, acting through the Secretary of Energy, to coordinate with all federal agencies responsible for an aspect of the President's National Interest Determination and Presidential Permit decision regarding construction and operation of Keystone XL, to ensure that all necessary actions are taken on an expedited schedule. The bill would promote job creation and energy security by ending the needless delay of the construction and operation of the Keystone XL pipeline.

H.R. 2587—Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act: H.R. 2587 would prohibit the National Labor Relations Board (NRLB) from ordering any employer to close, relocate, or transfer employment under any circumstance.

H.R. 2401—Transparency In Regulatory Analysis Of Impacts On The Nation: H.R. 2401 would require analyses of the cumulative and incremental impacts of certain rules and actions of the Environmental EPA. Specifically, the bill would require the President to establish the Committee for the Cumulative Analysis of Regulations that Impact Energy and Manufacturing. The Committee would be charged with analyzing and reporting on the cumulative and incremental impacts of covered rules and actions of the EPA concerning air, waste, water, and climate change. The bill would establish the interagency committee to evaluate the economic impacts of EPA regulations and delay the final dates for both the maximum achievable control technology (Utility MACT) standards and the cross-state air pollution rule (CSAPR) until the full impact has been studied. Both regulations would cost consumers and businesses $184 billion from 2011-2030 and would cause electrical prices to skyrocket.

H.R. 2681—Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2681 would provide a legislative stay of three EPA emissions standards that apply to cement manufacturing plants and are known as the “Cement MACT rules.” The bill would also provide for the implementation of effective regulation that protects communities both environmentally and economically.


H.R. 2250—EPA Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2250 would provide a legislative stay of four interrelated EPA rules, commonly referred to as the “Boiler MACT rules,” that govern emissions of mercury and other hazardous air pollutants from approximately 200,000 boilers and incinerators nationwide. The bill would remove this excessive regulatory burden placed on employers by the EPA’s Boiler MACT rules, potentially costing companies $14 billion and 224,000 American jobs, and replace them with sensible, achievable rules that do not destroy jobs.



H.R. 674—To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities: H.R. 674 would permanently repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities. Currently, the imposition of the 3 percent withholding is set to take effect on January 1, 2013. If the 3 percent withholding tax were implemented as scheduled, government entities would be required to withhold 3 percent of payments to persons providing property or services to the government. For example, on an invoice for $20,000 the government would pay the business $19,400 and withhold $600 as a preemptive tax. These added costs would almost certainly translate into fewer private-sector jobs and higher costs for the government and taxpayers.

 

[BDBoop]

State Trends for 2011 on Abortion, Family Planning, Sex Education and Insurance

That was in the first quarter of 2011. Nine hundred and sixteen at that point. And they haven't let up.

They COULD be working on jobs. But no.

here are a few bills aimed at helping emplyers, the economy, and the jobs market that republicans introduced, there are more than this.



H.R. 2433—Veterans Opportunity to Work Act: H.R. 2433 would create or modify programs that provide employment and training services to veterans and service members separating from active duty. The bill would also make changes to programs that offer home loan guarantees, ambulance services, and pension payments to qualifying individuals. Among other things, the bill would provide up to 12 months of Veterans Retraining Assistance to no more than 100,000 unemployed veterans that enter education or training programs at community colleges or technical schools to prepare them for employment in an occupational field that is determined by Department of Labor to have significant employment opportunities.

H.R. 2018—Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011: H.R. 2018 would a restrict the EPA ability to issue a revised or new water quality standard for a pollutant whenever a state has adopted and EPA already has approved a water quality standard for that pollutant, unless the state concurs with the EPA Administrator’s determination that the revised or new standard is necessary to meet the requirements of the Clean Water Act. The bill would prevent unilateral actions by the EPA that second-guess the decisions of the state regulatory agency.

H.R. 1938— North American-Made Energy Security Act: H.R. 1938 would direct the President, acting through the Secretary of Energy, to coordinate with all federal agencies responsible for an aspect of the President's National Interest Determination and Presidential Permit decision regarding construction and operation of Keystone XL, to ensure that all necessary actions are taken on an expedited schedule. The bill would promote job creation and energy security by ending the needless delay of the construction and operation of the Keystone XL pipeline.

H.R. 2587—Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act: H.R. 2587 would prohibit the National Labor Relations Board (NRLB) from ordering any employer to close, relocate, or transfer employment under any circumstance.

H.R. 2401—Transparency In Regulatory Analysis Of Impacts On The Nation: H.R. 2401 would require analyses of the cumulative and incremental impacts of certain rules and actions of the Environmental EPA. Specifically, the bill would require the President to establish the Committee for the Cumulative Analysis of Regulations that Impact Energy and Manufacturing. The Committee would be charged with analyzing and reporting on the cumulative and incremental impacts of covered rules and actions of the EPA concerning air, waste, water, and climate change. The bill would establish the interagency committee to evaluate the economic impacts of EPA regulations and delay the final dates for both the maximum achievable control technology (Utility MACT) standards and the cross-state air pollution rule (CSAPR) until the full impact has been studied. Both regulations would cost consumers and businesses $184 billion from 2011-2030 and would cause electrical prices to skyrocket.

H.R. 2681—Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2681 would provide a legislative stay of three EPA emissions standards that apply to cement manufacturing plants and are known as the “Cement MACT rules.” The bill would also provide for the implementation of effective regulation that protects communities both environmentally and economically.


H.R. 2250—EPA Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2250 would provide a legislative stay of four interrelated EPA rules, commonly referred to as the “Boiler MACT rules,” that govern emissions of mercury and other hazardous air pollutants from approximately 200,000 boilers and incinerators nationwide. The bill would remove this excessive regulatory burden placed on employers by the EPA’s Boiler MACT rules, potentially costing companies $14 billion and 224,000 American jobs, and replace them with sensible, achievable rules that do not destroy jobs.



H.R. 674—To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities: H.R. 674 would permanently repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities. Currently, the imposition of the 3 percent withholding is set to take effect on January 1, 2013. If the 3 percent withholding tax were implemented as scheduled, government entities would be required to withhold 3 percent of payments to persons providing property or services to the government. For example, on an invoice for $20,000 the government would pay the business $19,400 and withhold $600 as a preemptive tax. These added costs would almost certainly translate into fewer private-sector jobs and higher costs for the government and taxpayers.

Excellent. Now if only my numbers and yours were reversed.

 

[Care4all]

whew...talk about adding to the deficit! and just kill us all off with pollutants... great plan!

 

[Si modo]

State Trends for 2011 on Abortion, Family Planning, Sex Education and Insurance

That was in the first quarter of 2011. Nine hundred and sixteen at that point. And they haven't let up.

They COULD be working on jobs. But no.

here are a few bills aimed at helping emplyers, the economy, and the jobs market that republicans introduced, there are more than this.



H.R. 2433—Veterans Opportunity to Work Act: H.R. 2433 would create or modify programs that provide employment and training services to veterans and service members separating from active duty. The bill would also make changes to programs that offer home loan guarantees, ambulance services, and pension payments to qualifying individuals. Among other things, the bill would provide up to 12 months of Veterans Retraining Assistance to no more than 100,000 unemployed veterans that enter education or training programs at community colleges or technical schools to prepare them for employment in an occupational field that is determined by Department of Labor to have significant employment opportunities.

H.R. 2018—Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011: H.R. 2018 would a restrict the EPA ability to issue a revised or new water quality standard for a pollutant whenever a state has adopted and EPA already has approved a water quality standard for that pollutant, unless the state concurs with the EPA Administrator’s determination that the revised or new standard is necessary to meet the requirements of the Clean Water Act. The bill would prevent unilateral actions by the EPA that second-guess the decisions of the state regulatory agency.

H.R. 1938— North American-Made Energy Security Act: H.R. 1938 would direct the President, acting through the Secretary of Energy, to coordinate with all federal agencies responsible for an aspect of the President's National Interest Determination and Presidential Permit decision regarding construction and operation of Keystone XL, to ensure that all necessary actions are taken on an expedited schedule. The bill would promote job creation and energy security by ending the needless delay of the construction and operation of the Keystone XL pipeline.

H.R. 2587—Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act: H.R. 2587 would prohibit the National Labor Relations Board (NRLB) from ordering any employer to close, relocate, or transfer employment under any circumstance.

H.R. 2401—Transparency In Regulatory Analysis Of Impacts On The Nation: H.R. 2401 would require analyses of the cumulative and incremental impacts of certain rules and actions of the Environmental EPA. Specifically, the bill would require the President to establish the Committee for the Cumulative Analysis of Regulations that Impact Energy and Manufacturing. The Committee would be charged with analyzing and reporting on the cumulative and incremental impacts of covered rules and actions of the EPA concerning air, waste, water, and climate change. The bill would establish the interagency committee to evaluate the economic impacts of EPA regulations and delay the final dates for both the maximum achievable control technology (Utility MACT) standards and the cross-state air pollution rule (CSAPR) until the full impact has been studied. Both regulations would cost consumers and businesses $184 billion from 2011-2030 and would cause electrical prices to skyrocket.

H.R. 2681—Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2681 would provide a legislative stay of three EPA emissions standards that apply to cement manufacturing plants and are known as the “Cement MACT rules.” The bill would also provide for the implementation of effective regulation that protects communities both environmentally and economically.


H.R. 2250—EPA Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2250 would provide a legislative stay of four interrelated EPA rules, commonly referred to as the “Boiler MACT rules,” that govern emissions of mercury and other hazardous air pollutants from approximately 200,000 boilers and incinerators nationwide. The bill would remove this excessive regulatory burden placed on employers by the EPA’s Boiler MACT rules, potentially costing companies $14 billion and 224,000 American jobs, and replace them with sensible, achievable rules that do not destroy jobs.



H.R. 674—To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities: H.R. 674 would permanently repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities. Currently, the imposition of the 3 percent withholding is set to take effect on January 1, 2013. If the 3 percent withholding tax were implemented as scheduled, government entities would be required to withhold 3 percent of payments to persons providing property or services to the government. For example, on an invoice for $20,000 the government would pay the business $19,400 and withhold $600 as a preemptive tax. These added costs would almost certainly translate into fewer private-sector jobs and higher costs for the government and taxpayers.

Trust me, Pilgrim, she knows. She has been shown all this before.

She once had me convinced she was interested in a different experience at USMB than her last one. My convinced index is declining at an exponential rate.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

whew...talk about adding to the deficit! and just kill us all off with pollutants... great plan!

Well their general plan is this http://majorityleader.gov/Jobs/HRP_JOBS_SUMMARY.pdf but I was just posting up maybe 5% of the bills they have introduced, I mainly picked ones where the federal govt is using the EPA to create new laws on businesses without going through congress because I find that to be wrong.

Care to add any substance to the discussion?

 

[BDBoop]

whew...talk about adding to the deficit! and just kill us all off with pollutants... great plan!

Well their general plan is this http://majorityleader.gov/Jobs/HRP_JOBS_SUMMARY.pdf but I was just posting up maybe 5% of the bills they have introduced, I mainly picked ones where the federal govt is using the EPA to create new laws on businesses without going through congress because I find that to be wrong.

Care to add any substance to the discussion?

5% - so, what. 160 on jobs, 1000 and counting on controlling women and their reproductive rights.

 

[Si modo]

whew...talk about adding to the deficit! and just kill us all off with pollutants... great plan!

Well their general plan is this http://majorityleader.gov/Jobs/HRP_JOBS_SUMMARY.pdf but I was just posting up maybe 5% of the bills they have introduced, I mainly picked ones where the federal govt is using the EPA to create new laws on businesses without going through congress because I find that to be wrong.

Care to add any substance to the discussion?

5% - so, what. 160 on jobs, 1000 and counting on controlling women and their reproductive rights.

Please show me a bill that has passed, or even come close to passing, where a woman's reproductive rights are infringed.

Thanks.

 

[Care4all]

whew...talk about adding to the deficit! and just kill us all off with pollutants... great plan!

Well their general plan is this http://majorityleader.gov/Jobs/HRP_JOBS_SUMMARY.pdf but I was just posting up maybe 5% of the bills they have introduced, I mainly picked ones where the federal govt is using the EPA to create new laws on businesses without going through congress because I find that to be wrong.

Care to add any substance to the discussion?

bottom line, I don't see a "jobs bill for americans" in any of that which you posted with one exception. The only one that makes sense as a job creator down the road, is number one.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Well their general plan is this http://majorityleader.gov/Jobs/HRP_JOBS_SUMMARY.pdf but I was just posting up maybe 5% of the bills they have introduced, I mainly picked ones where the federal govt is using the EPA to create new laws on businesses without going through congress because I find that to be wrong.

Care to add any substance to the discussion?

5% - so, what. 160 on jobs, 1000 and counting on controlling women and their reproductive rights.

Please show me a bill that has passed, or even come close to passing, where a woman's reproductive rights are infringed.

Thanks.

It seems people just can't back up some claims

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

whew...talk about adding to the deficit! and just kill us all off with pollutants... great plan!

Well their general plan is this http://majorityleader.gov/Jobs/HRP_JOBS_SUMMARY.pdf but I was just posting up maybe 5% of the bills they have introduced, I mainly picked ones where the federal govt is using the EPA to create new laws on businesses without going through congress because I find that to be wrong.

Care to add any substance to the discussion?

bottom line, I don't see a "jobs bill for americans" in any of that which you posted with one exception. The only one that makes sense as a job creator down the road, is number one.

Access to Capital for Job Creators Act (H.R. 2940) and the Entrepreneur Access to Capital Act (H.R. 2930).

there are 2 more.....i have dozens more i can post, neither one of those has to do with the EPA but with helping small businesses start and grow to create more sustainable (IE not payed for by borrowing and taxing) jobs.

 

[Si modo]

5% - so, what. 160 on jobs, 1000 and counting on controlling women and their reproductive rights.

Please show me a bill that has passed, or even come close to passing, where a woman's reproductive rights are infringed.

Thanks.

It seems people just can't back up some claims

It's a habit of too many. But, I still love calling them on it.