The Liberal vs. The Conservative

[JBeukema]

Anyone who identifies as a 'conservative' is illiterate and uneducated. They can't name their own ideology or sum up their beliefs. They might as well call themselves Teletubbies.

Most who call themselves 'Liberals' really aren't. They're social democrats or democratic socialists but they never read and don't know those terms.

Case in point:


That's not Liberalism by any stretch. That's Democratic Socialism at best and more likely to end in bureaucratic collectivism and oligarchy.

 

[JBeukema]

Watch lot's of TV do ya?

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...

Liberalism isn't really intellectually based, it is emotive. Example: poverty is addressed by giving people money, and that makes you feel better, you've given them something.

Never mind you haven't solved anything, only made yourself feel better.

You've described more a socialist example than a Liberal one.

Liberalism takes a laizze-fair approach- the poor starve because they need to so the better can succeed in the free market and make everything better. It's like economic eugenics.

 

[JBeukema]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims....

And the left are intolerant, hate filled fear mongers who without solutions that actually solve anything have to resort to preaching this sort of crap to get people to vote for them.

You're both idiotic partisan hacks

 

[JBeukema]

California is governed by Liberals

I don't see much Locke in Californian policy

 

[JBeukema]

The center.

Nope.

False dichotomy. Liberalism is an ideology (or set of related ideologies). Conservatism is no ideology and refers to nothing at all, really.

I disagree.

With the very definition of a word?

 

[kaz]

But you still hate anything not white with a euro background.

Go fig.

You like blacks and women just fine as long as they shut up and advocate your white bread liberal New England elitist policies. You only hate them when they leave the Democratic party plantation. When a woman dare to step out and speak her mind rather then yours then your liberal women whores take the lead in attacking them. If a black dare speak out against your view your black liberal slaves do it. I leave them free to run their own lives. I only object when they try to run mine. You object when they run away from you. The hatred is from you.

I am cuban/puerto rican/irish/german. But..all American.

I generally could care less about skin color..religion..or ethnicity.

You pulled the crap out of your ass that I "hate anything not white with a euro background." I've advocated smaller government. You were being a dick, calling me a racist when I didn't say anything about race. I advocate small government that treats everyone the same. If you're saying that non euro's can't compete in that environment, find the nearest mirror to see the real racist.

 

[kaz]

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...

At least we have plans. Conservatives are all talk and no action. They KNOW what needs to be done, making EDUCATION a top priority for example, yet they talk about abolishing the Department of Education. They KNOW that the biggest cost added to Medicare was the unfunded prescription drug mandate they put in place, but continue to blame liberals for the Medicare program in general. I could go on, but I'm sure others will select other examples which I hope you will ponder.

It's truly amusing to see such a hypocritical statement such as accusing liberals of being closed-minded sheep. Did you miss the last decade somehow? Or how about just the last six months when the true "liberals" in Washington refused to support extension of the tax cuts. Or their fury when health care became a proposal to control insurance costs rather than universal care. That was nearly two years ago.

You've got some homework waiting, if you're truly interested in becoming a player here.

Your plan is to let lawyers solve your problems, my plan is to let you solve your problems. As for what conservatives think, you need to debate that with them. But yes, looking at what lawyers are doing and wanting more of that is "sheep."

 

[kaz]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims....

And the left are intolerant, hate filled fear mongers who without solutions that actually solve anything have to resort to preaching this sort of crap to get people to vote for them.

Oh good grief. Who's doing the recruiting for the wild-eyed right wing reactionaries NOW? They seem to arrive in groups.

I'm gonna have to get me some sock puppets.

You read his quote, my rebuttal which was OBVIOUSLY a direct jab back to his hateful tirade, and you don't get it? What a moron.

 

[kaz]

Funny that the implication is always that ONLY conservatives help out at a personal level. Why is that? When I do volunteer work, the people I'm working with could be Republican, Democrat, Communist. Nobody asks. Nobody cares. It's a red herring constantly tossed about by self-righteous conservatives hoping that less intelligent folks will actually believe it.

Ouch, I'm a conservative. You've sent more then one kid crying from the playground, didn't you? You keep nailing me with that when I told you I was a libertarian. I actually told you that so you understood my views better. I don't care if you call me a conservative. I already know liberals are ignorant because otherwise they wouldn't be liberals so your calling me a conservative is really a non event. But yeah, I oppose the wars as well as our military's presence in the middle east, I oppose morality laws, oppose the war on drugs. Calling me a conservative is really hitting my insecurities, not. It did give you a chance to flaunt your ignorance though. Not liberal = conservative. A brainiac you are...

 

[JBeukema]

Idiots to the left of me, morons to the right...

 

[Modbert]

Idiots to the left of me, morons to the right...

 

[JBeukema]

Dude... i keep getting captivated by your sig...

 

[kaz]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims....

And the left are intolerant, hate filled fear mongers who without solutions that actually solve anything have to resort to preaching this sort of crap to get people to vote for them.

You're both idiotic partisan hacks

You read his and mine and didn't grasp it was reply in kind? On this one you were the idiot is so far as you missed the obvious. You also might want to buy a dictionary and look up the word, "partisan." I would actually have to support a party to do that. All I've done is attack democrats/liberals. I actually not only am not affiliated with a party, but I have yet to actually support any party either on this board or in real life.

 

[Modbert]

Dude... i keep getting captivated by your sig...

It's why I chose it in the first place.

 

[kaz]

Liberalism isn't really intellectually based, it is emotive. Example: poverty is addressed by giving people money, and that makes you feel better, you've given them something.

Never mind you haven't solved anything, only made yourself feel better.

You've described more a socialist example than a Liberal one.

Liberalism takes a laizze-fair approach- the poor starve because they need to so the better can succeed in the free market and make everything better. It's like economic eugenics.

I agree with you, but in today's political environment can you actually name any major Democrat who is liberal but not socialist?

 

[JBeukema]

All I've done is attack democrats/liberals.

I rest my case.

 

[kaz]

All I've done is attack democrats/liberals.

I rest my case.

You do? Partisan means supporting a party, not opposing one. You really are smug, too bad you can't back it up with content

 

[JBeukema]

Liberalism isn't really intellectually based, it is emotive. Example: poverty is addressed by giving people money, and that makes you feel better, you've given them something.

Never mind you haven't solved anything, only made yourself feel better.

You've described more a socialist example than a Liberal one.

Liberalism takes a laizze-fair approach- the poor starve because they need to so the better can succeed in the free market and make everything better. It's like economic eugenics.

I agree with you, but in today's political environment can you actually name any major Democrat who is liberal but not socialist?

Can you name any Republicans who aren't socialists?

America is a socialist society and has been for some time.

Before bed tonight, and when you wake in the morning, be sure to thank a Wobbly.

 

[kaz]

You've described more a socialist example than a Liberal one.

Liberalism takes a laizze-fair approach- the poor starve because they need to so the better can succeed in the free market and make everything better. It's like economic eugenics.

I agree with you, but in today's political environment can you actually name any major Democrat who is liberal but not socialist?

Can you name any Republicans who aren't socialists?

America is a socialist society and has been for some time.

Before bed tonight, and when you wake in the morning, be sure to thank a Wobbly.

Rand Paul. But you're clearly right that most Republicans are socialist as well. Which is why I'm not one. I'm not a Libertarian because I don't believe a true libertarian would be the member of a party, even a Libertarian party. And the party and their endless litmus tests demonstrates that.

 

[code1211]

Anyone who identifies as a 'conservative' is illiterate and uneducated. They can't name their own ideology or sum up their beliefs. They might as well call themselves Teletubbies.

Most who call themselves 'Liberals' really aren't. They're social democrats or democratic socialists but they never read and don't know those terms.

Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrA9zj94NuU

That's not Liberalism by any stretch. That's Democratic Socialism at best and more likely to end in bureaucratic collectivism and oligarchy.

I call myself a Conservative and am neither illiterate nor undeducated. Since literacy is not a reflexive trait, it must be learned. Learning implies teaching which implies education.

Obviously in view of our public schools, one can be educated and still be illiterate, but it seems that one needs to be educated to be literate. One of the words I learned during my education was "redundant".

I have quite often summed up my beliefs on this board and have stated how I feel Conservatism should be utilized in the government in this thread. Because you ignor my beliefs in no way means that I do not hold them.