The Liberal vs. The Conservative

[Soggy in NOLA]

Yeah, because the "conservatives believe in nothing" stance is somehow much more intelligent.

Yeah, could he have been more sophomoric?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

"Classical Liberal" is a made up term used by Conservatives to latch themselves on to "some" liberal values without having to dive into the Liberal ocean.

"Classical" Liberals implies there is never growth in the mindset. That's not Liberal in any sense of the word. Liberals are constantly growing. They are open to new ideas and adapt them if those are ideas are deemed worthy.

Conservatives are steeped in Tradition..and do not grow.

That's the difference.

Watch lot's of TV do ya?

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...

Liberalism isn't really intellectually based, it is emotive. Example: poverty is addressed by giving people money, and that makes you feel better, you've given them something.

Never mind you haven't solved anything, only made yourself feel better.

 

[kaz]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims....

And the left are intolerant, hate filled fear mongers who without solutions that actually solve anything have to resort to preaching this sort of crap to get people to vote for them.

 

[rdean]

Watch lot's of TV do ya?

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...

Liberalism isn't really intellectually based, it is emotive. Example: poverty is addressed by giving people money, and that makes you feel better, you've given them something.

Never mind you haven't solved anything, only made yourself feel better.

Gawd you people are truly "simple minded".

Just because right wingers have such bizarre and strange mystical beliefs, you can't assume everyone does.

This is a clear example of why right wing policies "fail". See Iraq. See the economy. To them, problems are simple and solutions are equally simple. They break everything down into a "base language" called "simpleton".

Unfortunately, the "real" world is complex. Not "simple".

 

[Sallow]

One problem is the label itself. "Liberal" isn't exclusive to Democrat, nor "Conservative" to GOP.

"Liberals" today are more of the modern liberal, not the classical liberal. .

"Classical Liberal" is a made up term used by Conservatives to latch themselves on to "some" liberal values without having to dive into the Liberal ocean.

"Classical" Liberals implies there is never growth in the mindset. That's not Liberal in any sense of the word. Liberals are constantly growing. They are open to new ideas and adapt them if those are ideas are deemed worthy.

Conservatives are steeped in Tradition..and do not grow.

That's the difference.

Watch lot's of TV do ya?

Naw.

They moved me to second shift. Really sucks. 4pm -12am. Life is sorta topsy turvy now.

No time for the tube.

 

[Sallow]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims....

And the left are intolerant, hate filled fear mongers who without solutions that actually solve anything have to resort to preaching this sort of crap to get people to vote for them.

But you still hate anything not white with a euro background.

Go fig.

 

[rdean]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims....

And the left are intolerant, hate filled fear mongers who without solutions that actually solve anything have to resort to preaching this sort of crap to get people to vote for them.

It only seems that way because the left is made up of those right wing "targets".

The Republican Party is 90% white. They are hostile to minorities. When those minorities fight back, the right says, "Look, see how hostile they are". Well yea. Everyone has a right to defend.

The Republican Party - 90% white, mostly Christian with a smattering of blacks and Hispanics.

The Democratic Party, while a majority is white, barely, included in those whites are people not welcome in the Republican Party, gays, feminists, college professors, scientists and so on. Then include the blacks, Muslims, Hindu, Hispanics, atheists and so on.

There is the difference between the two parties.

 

[kaz]

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...

Liberalism isn't really intellectually based, it is emotive. Example: poverty is addressed by giving people money, and that makes you feel better, you've given them something.

Never mind you haven't solved anything, only made yourself feel better.

Gawd you people are truly "simple minded".

Just because right wingers have such bizarre and strange mystical beliefs, you can't assume everyone does.

This is a clear example of why right wing policies "fail". See Iraq. See the economy. To them, problems are simple and solutions are equally simple. They break everything down into a "base language" called "simpleton".

Unfortunately, the "real" world is complex. Not "simple".

Dude, you're funny. The irony that your post is about simple right wingers, and your post contains only sweeping statements and no solutions for anything. Just like your party.

And again the irony, I'm not a right winger, I'm a libertarian. I oppose the wars and I oppose government social control just like government economic control.

And you call us "simple minded." So funny...

 

[Sallow]

"Classical Liberal" is a made up term used by Conservatives to latch themselves on to "some" liberal values without having to dive into the Liberal ocean.

"Classical" Liberals implies there is never growth in the mindset. That's not Liberal in any sense of the word. Liberals are constantly growing. They are open to new ideas and adapt them if those are ideas are deemed worthy.

Conservatives are steeped in Tradition..and do not grow.

That's the difference.

Watch lot's of TV do ya?

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...

That's another conservative chestnut. Public schools are now government indoctrination.

Better to learn in church or at home.



Sorta like home dentristry.

Leaves ya toothless.

 

[kaz]

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...

That's another conservative chestnut. Public schools are now government indoctrination.

Better to learn in church or at home.



Sorta like home dentristry.

Leaves ya toothless.

That's another liberal chestnut. I'm a libertarian, not a conservative

 

[MaggieMae]

One problem is the label itself. "Liberal" isn't exclusive to Democrat, nor "Conservative" to GOP.

"Liberals" today are more of the modern liberal, not the classical liberal. In fact, the modern liberal is the exact opposite of the classic liberal. Todays modern liberal believes in working towards absolute equality, which can only be achieved through force of government. Thus, they support countless laws to shape humanity and society into what they feel is more fair and equal. They believe in the idea that some subgroups are not succeeding because of ingrained oppression, and it's the gov'ts job to fix that. Again, they can be Dem, GOP, or independent, but tend to flock to the D.

"Conservatives" believe in more freedom, but thus, more risk, in society. That the government should stay as "hands off" as possible, and let the pieces fall where they may. Small gov't, only the basics: Police, fire, military, EMS, roads. Little much else. They believe in morality based closer to religion than social acceptance, although sometimes don't follow it themselves (at least politicians anyway).

So it's basically which direction you think society should go. More freedom and let people end up where they end up? Or more laws to shape society into what the governing body feels it should look like. Neither is really a good idea. But I prefer more freedom because I'm independent and capable, and will thrive without gov't. Thus, I'm a conservative. If I was helpless, scared, or angry at the world, I'd be a liberal so I could get handouts, protection and revenge.

And of course common sense says that some of both is what's required. Just saying NO! from both "sides" is counterproductive if we're ever going to grow ourselves out of this economic mess.

 

[MaggieMae]

What are some of the Primary problems between Liberals and Conservatives today?

The center.

Nope.

False dichotomy. Liberalism is an ideology (or set of related ideologies). Conservatism is no ideology and refers to nothing at all, really.

Huh?

 

[kaz]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims....

And the left are intolerant, hate filled fear mongers who without solutions that actually solve anything have to resort to preaching this sort of crap to get people to vote for them.

It only seems that way because the left is made up of those right wing "targets".

The Republican Party is 90% white. They are hostile to minorities. When those minorities fight back, the right says, "Look, see how hostile they are". Well yea. Everyone has a right to defend.

The Republican Party - 90% white, mostly Christian with a smattering of blacks and Hispanics.

The Democratic Party, while a majority is white, barely, included in those whites are people not welcome in the Republican Party, gays, feminists, college professors, scientists and so on. Then include the blacks, Muslims, Hindu, Hispanics, atheists and so on.

There is the difference between the two parties.

Keep talking so people can see where the intolerance is in this country. You sir, have a serious issue. You can't debate points because liberalism is illogical and your policies don't work. They are emotional, emotions like hatred. Like what you preach. Read your posts.

 

[MaggieMae]

There is no conflict between a real liberal and conservative. I liberal believes in helping others. A conservative believes in personal responsibility. Neither of those admirable objectives is achieved by government. The American Left abdicates their personable responsibility for charity to others. As the American Right abdicates their personable responsibility for morality to others. They are both the same, they both fail. Only those who believe in personal charity hand in hand with personal morality have a clue.

And...in the absence of those principles to any measurable degree, what happens?

 

[saveliberty]

Got enough to write the term paper sweatie?

 

[kaz]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims....

And the left are intolerant, hate filled fear mongers who without solutions that actually solve anything have to resort to preaching this sort of crap to get people to vote for them.

But you still hate anything not white with a euro background.

Go fig.

You like blacks and women just fine as long as they shut up and advocate your white bread liberal New England elitist policies. You only hate them when they leave the Democratic party plantation. When a woman dare to step out and speak her mind rather then yours then your liberal women whores take the lead in attacking them. If a black dare speak out against your view your black liberal slaves do it. I leave them free to run their own lives. I only object when they try to run mine. You object when they run away from you. The hatred is from you.

 

[saveliberty]

You might want to share with your psychology major friends. I think there's more material for that.

 

[MaggieMae]

A liberal is a champion of the downtrodded. This usually comes from experience with the government and had them help them when they were down and out on their luck, they want to have those programs around so when others are down on their luck, they will have somewhere to go.

A conservative wants to believe that someone is poor because they don't work hard or are losers. They want to ensure no one has any help whatsoever and uses religion as a backdrop to control people's lives.

But anyone who is smart enough to understand that without government programs, chaos would erupt. You would be a democrat. We don't have a lot of smart people in this country.

This is the justification the Democratic party uses for their socialistic policies. But if you look at the actual results of the policy it tells a very different story. I have no doubt you wanted this to happen when you voted for them. But you are responsible for the fact that it's harming both the country and the people these policies were intended to help and you look the other way and continue to vote for it

Then let's turn poor health among people who can't afford medical assistance, monthy food allocations for people who are unemployed (or too poor), housing assistance for the millions who would otherwise be on the streets, etc., over to organized charities and well-intentioned more affluent individuals and see how long such righteous intentions last.

It's not that the government social programs haven't overreached; they have. The problem is how to fix it, not to deny people and suddenly set them free to survive at the whim of do-gooders.

 

[kaz]

There is no conflict between a real liberal and conservative. I liberal believes in helping others. A conservative believes in personal responsibility. Neither of those admirable objectives is achieved by government. The American Left abdicates their personable responsibility for charity to others. As the American Right abdicates their personable responsibility for morality to others. They are both the same, they both fail. Only those who believe in personal charity hand in hand with personal morality have a clue.

And...in the absence of those principles to any measurable degree, what happens?

The American people are overwhelmingly charitable. But think about it. I'm saying an immoral government can come from a moral population. Empirical evidence of the poor results of government spending shows that is in fact happening. You're saying a moral government that helps people can come from an immoral population. That...is impossible.

 

[Sallow]

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...

That's another conservative chestnut. Public schools are now government indoctrination.

Better to learn in church or at home.



Sorta like home dentristry.

Leaves ya toothless.

That's another liberal chestnut. I'm a libertarian, not a conservative

Same thing.

Different candy coating.