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    China has a problem: rising inequality. The gap between profits and wages is soaring. Although elements of the government have sought to boost workers’ incomes, they have been thwarted by major companies and banks “that don’t want to give more profit to the country and let the government distribute it,” Qi Jingmei, a research fellow for a government think tank, told the Wall Street Journal.

    Of course, if China permitted the establishment of unions, wages would rise. But for fundamentally political reasons — independent unions would undermine the Communist Party’s authority — unions are out of the question.


    Meanwhile, the United States also has a problem of a rising gap between profits and wages. The stagnation of wages has become an accepted fact across the political spectrum; conservative columnists such as Michael Gerson and David Brooks have acknowledged that workers’ incomes seem to be stuck.

    What conservatives haven’t acknowledged, and what even most liberal commentators fail to appreciate, is how central the collapse of collective bargaining is to American workers’ inability to win themselves a raise. Yes, globalizing and mechanizing jobs has cut into the livelihoods of millions of U.S. workers, but that is far from the whole story. Roughly 100 million of the nation’s 143 million employed workers have jobs that can’t be shipped abroad, that aren’t in competition with steel workers in Sao Paolo or iPod assemblers in Shenzhen. Sales clerks, waiters, librarians and carpenters all utilize technology in their jobs, but not to the point that they’ve become dispensable.

    Harold Meyerson: Unions still matter, in Michigan just as in China - The Washington Post
     
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    After seeing what unions have done in the US, China will never permit unions and I don't blame them.
     
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    Meyerson is quick to hang the new MI law on Republicans, but the legislation stemmed from the state's voters turning down the ballot proposal in the November election. Its losing margin was by 16 points, but Barry carried the state by a 9 point margin.
     
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    What have unions done in the U.S.?


    REPORT: Five Things Unions Have Done For All Americans

    1. Unions Gave Us The Weekend: Even the ultra-conservative Mises Institute notes that the relatively labor-free 1870, the average workweek for most Americans was 61 hours — almost double what most Americans work now. Yet in the late nineteenth century and the twentieth century, labor unions engaged in massive strikes in order to demand shorter workweeks so that Americans could be home with their loved ones instead of constantly toiling for their employers with no leisure time. By 1937, these labor actions created enough political momentum to pass the Fair Labor Standards Act, which helped create a federal framework for a shorter workweek that included room for leisure time.

    REPORT: Five Things Unions Have Done For All Americans | ThinkProgress

    What have unions done for us?


    (CNN) -- What have unions done for us lately? Other than give us Labor Day, and a three-day weekend to start football season.
    The answers may surprise you.
    Unions have long been part of our nation's history, fighting for better pay, safer working conditions, health care and retirement benefits, education and civic participation. Unions have brought diverse voices together, and their struggles have elevated the working conditions, the standard of living and the recognition of not just their members, but of all who labor.
    Unions played a major role in ending the sweatshops and child labor so common at the beginning of the 20th century. The International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union, or ILGWU, was one of the first unions to have a primarily female membership. And in the aftermath of the tragic Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in 1911, in which more than 100 mostly young immigrant women were killed, the ILGWU was at the forefront of reforming working conditions and pushing for comprehensive safety and workers' compensation laws.

    What have unions done for us? - CNN.com


    How about educating yourself about the "Labor Movement" for starters, secondly try reading the article posted to the end.

    Then you won't seem so stupid when replying with a unnecessary question.
     
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    The unions have done some very good things in the past. Thinking that unions are still beneficial is where the thinking goes wrong. It's like medication. Pain pills may take away they pain when you have it, but when it's gone and you are still popping, you aren't taking medication, you are an addict.
     
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    Lets be real here, no Democrats in either house voted for this, you even had a few Republicans who didn't vote for this.

    The Governor straight up LIED about this not being on his agenda and didn't run on this issue either. Then cowardly fast tracked this during their "Lame Duck" session and didn't allow any debates on this issue by the public or legislators on top of breaking a few rules to do what he did.

    Yes I blame all of those voters in his state who sat on their asses during the 2010 mid terms and didn't vote, which allowed this jack ass to win the election.
     
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    Win a high wage but lose the job.


    Yup, that makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:
     
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    Do you understand this move was strictly political?

    Did you know that 8 out 10 Right To Work States have the highest level of poverty in this Country?

    Did you know that Alec along with billionaires spearheaded this law for no other reason to drive wages down?

    Do you know there is no study by any economist to support their claim on how a State does better after becoming an RTW State?

    But did you know their are countless studies that prove how this drastically affects that State's economy in a negative way after implementation of this law?
     
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    All this is and has been proven time and time again is transferring wealth from the employees to the top!
     
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    Ummm, there are now 23 right to work states.

    And, union membership keeps declining, regardless of the state.

    Unions are beyond useless dinosaurs, they are anti-productive.
     

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