The Key To Meeting With Obama Is Question Everything

[Missourian]

Nice to see wingnuts going from complaining about closed door meetings to complaining about televised meetings.

You know, once in awhile you people could at least aspire to demonstrating an ounce of credibility.

Yeah, remember when you heard complaints about Obama always being on TV and campaigning for health care reform, and then when it didn't get passed they claimed he didn't do anything.

I appreciate that this is complicated but.... He had a SUPERMAJORITY for a WHOLE YEAR. Why didn't he pass it?

Dammit Cali, haven't you been listening???

Republicans without any power whatsoever OBSTRUCTED THEM until said republicans could take control of the senate seat in the republican swing state of MASSACHUSETTS!

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[EriktheRed]

Jeezus, Lamar Alexander is already off on a rant about 'tyranny of the majority'.

Where in the FUCK did Republicans get the notion that our government was designed so that they win when they're in the majority, and then, they win when they're in the minority?

THE CLAIMS:

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.: "The Congressional Budget Office report says that premiums will rise in the individual market as a result of the Senate bill."

Obama: "No, no, no, no. Let me - and this is an example of where we've got to get our facts straight."

Alexander: "That's my point."

Obama: "Here's what the Congressional Budget Office says: The costs for families for the same type of coverage that they're currently receiving would go down 14 percent to 20 percent. What the Congressional Budget Office says is that because now they've got a better deal, because policies are cheaper, they may choose to buy better coverage than they have right now, and that might be 10 percent to 13 percent more expensive than the bad insurance that they had previously."

THE FACTS:

Both are right, but Obama offered important context that Alexander left out.

The nonpartisan analysis estimated that average premiums for people buying insurance individually would be 10 to 13 percent higher in 2016 under the Senate legislation, supporting Alexander's point. But the policies would cover more, and about half the people would be getting substantial government subsidies to defray the extra costs.

As the president said, if the policies offered today were offered in 2016, they would be considerably cheaper under the plan, even without subsidies. One big reason: Many more healthy young people would be signing up for the coverage because insurance would become mandatory. They are cheap to insure and would moderate costs for others.

Moreover, the analysis estimated that the people getting subsidies would see their costs cut by more than half from what they pay now.

News From The Associated Press

 

[MarcATL]

Nice to see wingnuts going from complaining about closed door meetings to complaining about televised meetings.

You know, once in awhile you people could at least aspire to demonstrating an ounce of credibility.

Yeah, remember when you heard complaints about Obama always being on TV and campaigning for health care reform, and then when it didn't get passed they claimed he didn't do anything.

I appreciate that this is complicated but.... He had a SUPERMAJORITY for a WHOLE YEAR. Why didn't he pass it?

CG, when are you going to grow up?!?!??

Its not HIS to pass...its congress'...is it not?

He can't MAKE congress do a damn thing, majority or not. Republicans may be sheep that follow their shepherd hook, line and sinker no matter what, but Democrats are not, they are more independent minded.

Its funny how you like to use Congress to take credit for the economy when Bill Clinton was in office and left a surpluss, it was because of the Republican Congress.

Fast forward, when Bush was in the gutter and in 06 the Dems started making gains, it couldn't be Bush's fault because the Dems had control of congress...nevermind all that took place the previous 6 years of Republican rule.

Come on man, this thing is getting old already. What are you...3?

SMH

 

[EriktheRed]

Could one of our liberal friends, any of our liberal friends, please explain how the hell the Republicans are responsible for not passing the damned bill already? The Democrats had 60 damned senators.... WHY no bill?

The worst offenders in this are certain Blue-Dog Dems and an "independent" who helped campaign against the party he now caucuses with.

Now that we got that out of the way, why are Republicans constantly lying about how their ideas haven't been incorporated into the bill?

 

[beowolfe]

Nice to see wingnuts going from complaining about closed door meetings to complaining about televised meetings.

You know, once in awhile you people could at least aspire to demonstrating an ounce of credibility.

Yeah, remember when you heard complaints about Obama always being on TV and campaigning for health care reform, and then when it didn't get passed they claimed he didn't do anything.

I appreciate that this is complicated but.... He had a SUPERMAJORITY for a WHOLE YEAR. Why didn't he pass it?

Because the POTUS doesn't pass anything. The congress does. And just in case you hadn't noticed, Dems are not in lock step on anything. That's why he thinks it's crucial to have GOP support.

Besides, we can go back to the same ole arguments and casting blame on one side or the other. That doesn't get us anywhere. And if Anethema (sp) BCBS is a sign of the future, none of us can afford to continue on the same healthcare path we're currently on. Not even the weathiest among us.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Nice to see wingnuts going from complaining about closed door meetings to complaining about televised meetings.

You know, once in awhile you people could at least aspire to demonstrating an ounce of credibility.

Yeah, remember when you heard complaints about Obama always being on TV and campaigning for health care reform, and then when it didn't get passed they claimed he didn't do anything.

I appreciate that this is complicated but.... He had a SUPERMAJORITY for a WHOLE YEAR. Why didn't he pass it?

Becauswe dems aren't as much partisan hacks like republicans are that just vote down party lines. Dems don't just jump all in line with the party ideology. Did any republicans vote to support it?

 

[Dr Gregg]

Yeah, remember when you heard complaints about Obama always being on TV and campaigning for health care reform, and then when it didn't get passed they claimed he didn't do anything.

I appreciate that this is complicated but.... He had a SUPERMAJORITY for a WHOLE YEAR. Why didn't he pass it?

CG, when are you going to grow up?!?!??

Its not HIS to pass...its congress'...is it not?

He can't MAKE congress do a damn thing, majority or not. Republicans may be sheep that follow their shepherd hook, line and sinker no matter what, but Democrats are not, they are more independent minded.

Its funny how you like to use Congress to take credit for the economy when Bill Clinton was in office and left a surpluss, it was because of the Republican Congress.

Fast forward, when Bush was in the gutter and in 06 the Dems started making gains, it couldn't be Bush's fault because the Dems had control of congress...nevermind all that took place the previous 6 years of Republican rule.

Come on man, this thing is getting old already. What are you...3?

SMH

worse, she's a troll

 

[beowolfe]

Could one of our liberal friends, any of our liberal friends, please explain how the hell the Republicans are responsible for not passing the damned bill already? The Democrats had 60 damned senators.... WHY no bill?

The worst offenders in this are certain Blue-Dog Dems and an "independent" who helped campaign against the party he now caucuses with.

Now that we got that out of the way, why are Republicans constantly lying about how their ideas haven't been incorporated into the bill?

That's only part of it. If you hadn't noticed, the democratic party has a really large divergent POV. It's all the way from the blue dog democrats (who are basically republican lite) to the single payer people. Heck, the democratic party can have this debate within itself and it wouldn't look to dissimilar to the debate we've been having so far.

 

[The Rabbi]

Could one of our liberal friends, any of our liberal friends, please explain how the hell the Republicans are responsible for not passing the damned bill already? The Democrats had 60 damned senators.... WHY no bill?

The worst offenders in this are certain Blue-Dog Dems and an "independent" who helped campaign against the party he now caucuses with.

Now that we got that out of the way, why are Republicans constantly lying about how their ideas haven't been incorporated into the bill?

What Republican ideas were incorporated into the bill? And which bill are you talking about?

Oh, and Alexander was completely truthful and Obama was lying his ass off about rising costs. The answer "gov't will give subsidies to defray the extra cost" is not an answer. It doesn't make the extra cost of the policy free simply because gov't is shouldering the cost.

 

[EriktheRed]

Could one of our liberal friends, any of our liberal friends, please explain how the hell the Republicans are responsible for not passing the damned bill already? The Democrats had 60 damned senators.... WHY no bill?

The worst offenders in this are certain Blue-Dog Dems and an "independent" who helped campaign against the party he now caucuses with.

Now that we got that out of the way, why are Republicans constantly lying about how their ideas haven't been incorporated into the bill?

That's only part of it. If you hadn't noticed, the democratic party has a really large divergent POV. It's all the way from the blue dog democrats (who are basically republican lite) to the single payer people. Heck, the democratic party can have this debate within itself and it wouldn't look to dissimilar to the debate we've been having so far.

Yup, that's the curse of a big tent. Which is why the cons on here aren't entirely wrong to question how much blame the Repbublicans deserve for why this thing hasn't passed yet. As it stands now, they really are largely irrelevant to the process. As has been pointed before, this summit today wasn't about swaying any of them as it was to help generate better PR for getting something passed, thus getting some of the more skittish Dems on board.

How well has this actually worked....?

<shrug>

 

[mudwhistle]

Jeezus, Lamar Alexander is already off on a rant about 'tyranny of the majority'.

Where in the FUCK did Republicans get the notion that our government was designed so that they win when they're in the majority, and then, they win when they're in the minority?

Obama himself said this isn't about who wins. It's supposed to be about getting something done.

 

[EriktheRed]

Could one of our liberal friends, any of our liberal friends, please explain how the hell the Republicans are responsible for not passing the damned bill already? The Democrats had 60 damned senators.... WHY no bill?

The worst offenders in this are certain Blue-Dog Dems and an "independent" who helped campaign against the party he now caucuses with.

Now that we got that out of the way, why are Republicans constantly lying about how their ideas haven't been incorporated into the bill?

What Republican ideas were incorporated into the bill? And which bill are you talking about?

Republican Ideas Included in the President's Proposal | The White House


Ezra Klein - The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0...r_wrong_to_say_Obama_took_zero_GOP_ideas.html

Oh, and Alexander was completely truthful and Obama was lying his ass off about rising costs. The answer "gov't will give subsidies to defray the extra cost" is not an answer. It doesn't make the extra cost of the policy free simply because gov't is shouldering the cost.

Are you responding to what I posted earlier from the AP?

 

[The Rabbi]

The worst offenders in this are certain Blue-Dog Dems and an "independent" who helped campaign against the party he now caucuses with.

Now that we got that out of the way, why are Republicans constantly lying about how their ideas haven't been incorporated into the bill?

What Republican ideas were incorporated into the bill? And which bill are you talking about?

Republican Ideas Included in the President's Proposal | The White House


Ezra Klein - The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill

Truth squad: Boehner wrong to say Obama took zero GOP ideas - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

Oh, and Alexander was completely truthful and Obama was lying his ass off about rising costs. The answer "gov't will give subsidies to defray the extra cost" is not an answer. It doesn't make the extra cost of the policy free simply because gov't is shouldering the cost.

Are you responding to what I posted earlier from the AP?

Mere window dressing.
I dont know. The CBO is not the last word, and even they say costs will go up. Actually I am not even certain they have scored Obama's plan. And maybe neither is he.

 

[EriktheRed]

I dont know. The CBO is not the last word, and even they say costs will go up. Actually I am not even certain they have scored Obama's plan. And maybe neither is he.

Don't see what qualifies you to say this, then:

Oh, and Alexander was completely truthful and Obama was lying his ass off about rising costs. The answer "gov't will give subsidies to defray the extra cost" is not an answer. It doesn't make the extra cost of the policy free simply because gov't is shouldering the cost.

 

[mudwhistle]

A few observations from yesterday.

The time allotted to each side played out like this:

233 minutes to Democrats

110 minutes to Republicans

Hardly a fair and balanced debate.

Also Obama showed once again that he thinks he's better then those around him. He said that his time doesn't count because he's the President. This is like a boss who can't quite earn his employee's respect and has to remind them about it.

He kept talking about principles that anyone who's been to insurance licensing school knows. He felt he had to tell everyone several times how group plans work. This is Insurance 101. Who did he think he was talking to, a bunch of students? I'm sure they were rolling their eyes at the utter stupidity of the man.

This meeting was about airing differences. The moment a Repug started airing some really embarrassing differences Obama interrupted and said..."We're not here to talk about that". If that wasn't what they were there for WTF were they there for in the first place????

And to top it off Obama finished with a threat. In so many words he said "this is what we're going to do...go along or we'll be making decisions in the next week accordingly." That was a threat. He didn't care what the Republicans wanted. He stated in plain English that it was his way or the highway. So once again Obama although sounding cordial showed his partisanship and his lack of cooperation. I don't think it fooled anyone.

 

[EriktheRed]

In so many words he said "this is what we're going to do...go along or we'll be making decisions in the next week accordingly." That was a threat. He didn't care what the Republicans wanted. He stated in plain English that it was his way or the highway. So once again Obama although sounding cordial showed his partisanship and his lack of cooperation. I don't think it fooled anyone.

Aw gee, that's a shame. Such a good chance to get the GOP on board got pissed away.


<insert sarcasm smiley here>

 

[&#9773;proletarian&#9773;]

The Key To Meeting With Obama Is Question Everything

I've long considered that the key to life in general.

The only safe way to treat him is like you would treat N. Korea. Nether practices honesty.

Really? You mean like the constant flip-flopping and blatant lies of the GOP? Obama is a politician. There are precious few politicians in DC I would trust. The problem is that they are politicians and not representatives.

Obama is well know for talking the talk but never walking the walk.

As with both parties and most of their members.

Jobs are being lost in increasing numbers so this is all just bad timing that they're back to talking about health care.

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Yesterday the gaudawful display with Toyota's CEO was bad. I expect this to be even worse.

Will GM be hear din Congress, or only their competitor?

 

[&#9773;proletarian&#9773;]

He wants to be on TV for six hours, talking to the world and looking impressive.

Let him talk. by now he is boring folks.

(I can't see this btw... No TV. I do not feel deprived)

Wasn't it the Reps who demanded a televised bipartisan meeting in the first place?

 

[&#9773;proletarian&#9773;]

Yes. The truth of the GOP agenda is that they want less government, lower taxes, and more competition in the insurance industry leading to lower rates for everyone.

Their past legislation and voting records seem to indicate the contrary.

 

[&#9773;proletarian&#9773;]

Shame Anthony Weiner wasn't invited