The Judeo-Christian Nation, America.

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    1. “On April 6, 2009, President Obama, speaking halfway across the world in Turkey, effectively made a shocking proclamation: that the United States did not consider itself a Judeo-Christian nation. "Although, as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation," he said.

    2. Our nation's history provides overwhelming evidence that America was birthed upon Judeo-Christian principles. The first act of America's first Congress in 1774 was to ask a minister to open with prayer and to lead Congress in the reading of four chapters of the Bible. In 1776, in approving the Declaration of Independence, our founders acknowledged that all men "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..." and noted that they were relying "on the protection of DivineProvidence" in the founding of this country. John Quincy Adams said, "The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity." Also, the signers of the 1783 Treaty of Paris, which ended the Revolutionary War, insisted the treaty begin with the phrase, "In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity."

    3. In 1800, Congress approved the use of the Capitol building as a church. Both chambers approved the measure, with president of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson, giving the approval in that chamber. Throughout his terms as both vice president and president, Jefferson attended church at the Capitol, including Jan. 3, 1802, just two days after writing his infamous letter in which he penned the phrase "the wall of separation between church and state." Nearly 100 years later, in 1892, in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, the United States Supreme Court held that America is a "Christian nation."

    4. Presidents Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, Hoover, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan all referenced the importance of Judeo-Christian principles in the birth and growth of our country. In fact, President Franklin Roosevelt led our nation in a six-minute prayer before the invasion of Normandy, the greatest military invasion in history where freedom was protected for the world, asking God to preserve our Christian civilization. After that great war, Congress came together and jointly recognized that our strength was not in our weapons, our economic institutions, or the wisdom of our committees—it is in God. Congress therefore adopted "In God We Trust" as our national motto and it was engraved in the wall in front of which the speaker of the House of Representatives stands.

    5. …While America has always welcomed individuals of diverse faiths and nonfaith, we have never ceased to be a Judeo-Christian nation. That small minority could tear references of faith off of every building and document across our nation, but it would not change the fact that we were built on Judeo-Christian principles. Indeed, these beliefs are so interwoven into the tapestry of freedom and liberty upon which our nation is built that to begin to unravel one is to begin to unravel the other.”
    Obama Is Wrong When He Says We're Not a Judeo-Christian Nation - US News and World Report


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    that was then...this is now...baby

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0vNj3gGUKo&ob=av3n]Marilyn Manson - Fight Song (From "Guns, God, & Government") - YouTube[/ame]

    "The Fight Song"

    Nothing suffocates you more than
    The passing of everyday human events
    Isolation is the oxygen mask you make
    Your children breathe in to survive

    But I'm not a slave to a god
    That doesn't exist
    But I'm not a slave to a world
    That doesn't give a shit

    And when we were good
    You just closed you eyes
    So when we are bad
    We'll scar your minds

    Fight, fight, fight, fight

    You'll never grow up to be a big-
    Rock-star-celebrated-victim-of-your-fame
    They'll just cut our wrists like
    Cheap coupons and say that death
    Was on sale today

    And when we were good
    You just closed you eyes
    So when we are bad
    We'll scar your minds

    But I'm not a slave to a god
    That doesn't exist
    But I'm not a slave to a world
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    I believe that the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Savior of the world is communicated to us through the book. ~ Abraham Lincoln
     
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    Ive been to church, Ive read the book
    I know hes here but I dont look
    Near as often as I should .. yeah I know I should
    His fingerprints are everywhere
    I just slowed down to stop and stare
    Opened my eyes and man I swear
    I saw God today.


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    I believe John Adams beat Obama to that proclamation by around two centuries.
     
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    The Treaty of Tripoli.

    The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796 and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.
    The treaty was a routine diplomatic agreement but has attracted later attention because the English version included a clause about religion in the United States.

    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
     
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    For those neither Jewish nor Christian, we fortunately have a First Amendment which protects all citizens from the authoritarianism exhibited by conservatives in general, and the OP in particular.

    Clearly, therefore, it was the original intent of the Framers, as expressed in the Constitution and its case law, where the Constitution exists only in the context of that case law, that the ‘majority faith’ is utterly irrelevant with regard to official policy, procedure, or codification of statues by Federal, state, or local jurisdictions.

    With regard to the president’s comments during a joint press conference in Turkey 4/6/2009, this is what Obama actually said, in context:

    Thus the OP is a liar when she claims the president said we are not a ‘Judeo-Christian’ Nation, as the president never used the phrase ‘Judeo-Christian.’

    What the president said is correct:

    We are not a Christian Nation. Period

    We are not a Jewish Nation. Period.

    We are not a Muslim Nation. Period.

    “[W]e consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.”

    Indeed.

    And those ideals and set of values are not established on a particular religious dogma, but a respect for all religions, and those free from faith, where one need not fear the tyranny of a religious majority.
     
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    "This question was asked by political science professors at the University of Houston. They rightfully felt that they could determine the source of the Founders’ ideas if they could collect the writings from the Founding Era and see whom the Founders were quoting.

    The researchers assembled 15,000 writings from the founding Era – no small sample – and searched those writings. That project spanned ten years; but at the end of that time, the researchers had isolated 3,154 direct quotes made by the Founders and had identified the source of those quotes.

    The researchers discovered that Baron Charles de Montesquieu was the man quoted most often by the founding fathers, with 8.3 percent of the Founders’ quotes being taken from his writings. Sir William Blackstone was the second most-quoted individual with 7.9 percent of the Founder’s quotes, and John Locke was third with 2.9 percent.

    Surprisingly, the researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible.

    The study was even more impressive when the source of the ideas used by Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke were identified. Consider for example, the source of Blackstone’s ideas. Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws was first introduced in 1768, and for the next 100 years America’s courts quoted Blackstone to settle disputes, to define words, and to examine procedure; Blackstone’s Commentaries were the final word in the Supreme Courts. So what was a significant source of Blackstone’s ideas? Perhaps the best answer to that question can be given through the life of Charles Finney.

    Charles Finney is known as a famous revivalist, minister, and preacher from one of America’s greatest revivals; the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800’s. Finney, in his autobiography, spoke of how he received his call to ministry. He explained that – having determined to become a lawyer – he, like all other law students at the time, commenced the study of Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws. Finney observed that Blackstone’s Commentaries not only provided the laws, it also provided the Biblical concepts on which those laws were based. Finney explained that in the process of studying Blackstone, he read so much of the Bible that he became a Christian and received his call to the ministry. Finney’s life story clearly identified a major source of Blackstone’s ideas for law.

    So, while 34% of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the Bible, many of their quotes were taken from men – like Blackstone – who had used the Bible to arrive at their own conclusions.”

    This doesn’t even include Supreme Court decisions, Congressional records, speeches, inaugurations, etc. all of which include sources of Biblical content and concepts. I can produce those as well, if need be ,as well as what was taught in American schools for the first 175 years.

    Bear in mind, the above is not some made up opinion, it is well documented, irrefutable research into actual quotes from the Founders.


    Sources:

    David Barton, Original Intent, 1997

    Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988

    “The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review
     
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    That was a lot of bandwidth devoted to something completely irrelevant to proving your point, PC.
     

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