The JFK Assassination

[7forever]

There were at least 5 shots, all of which are verified through government reports and independent research. Jfk was shot twice from the front and once from the rear. What's brand new is the back shot came at the very end immediately before the headshot. And it's that evidence, which could change the game in the modern day. The following times are approximate but close.

1. (160) Missed

2. Jfk shot in throat (223)

3. Connally (231-234)

4. Jfk shot in back about 1/10th of a second before headshot.

5. (313) Jfk shot above right eye

Mr. SPECTER - How many shots were there altogether?
Mrs. HILL - I have always said there were some four to six shots. There were three shots---one right after the other, and a distinct pause, or just a moment's pause, and then I heard more.
Mr. SPECTER - How long a time elapsed from the first to the third of what you described as the first three shots?
Mrs. HILL - They were rapidly---they were rather rapidly fired.
Mr. SPECTER - Could you give me an estimate on the timespan on those three shots?
Mrs. HILL - No; I don't think I can.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, how many shots followed what you described as the first three shots?
Mrs. HILL - I think there were at least four Or five shots and perhaps six, but I know there were more than three.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The government even admitted there were 4 shots.

yeah remember this thread?

Even the government itself admitted in the 70's there was a conspiracy to kill JFK.

 

[RWS]

JFK Assassination (November 1963): Why did Jack Ruby kill Lee Harvey Oswald? - Quora

Shortly before the Dallas police tried to transfer Lee Harvey Oswald to the sheriff's jail in the police station basement, Jack Ruby was purchasing a money order at a Western Union office across the street from the police station in order to help one of the strippers at his nightclub with making her rent money. According to Western Union records, Ruby's receipt was time stamped at 11:17 AM. Ruby then walks across the street to the police station while the police are transferring Oswald. Impulsively, Ruby shoots Oswald at 11:21 AM, just four minutes after leaving the Western Union office. Coincidentally, Lee Harvey Oswald delayed his own transfer by insisting on changing into a black sweater before going into the basement. If Ruby had either finished his transaction at the Western Union office either a few minutes earlier or a few minutes later, Oswald and Ruby would never have crossed paths for the shooting to happen. Similarly, if Oswald hadn't decided to put on a black sweater and delay his own transfer, Oswald and Ruby wouldn't have crossed paths either. If there had been a conspiracy to kill Oswald, Oswald would have had to have been in on the conspiracy himself, because he was the one responsible for the delays in his transfer to the jail in the police station basement.

They didn't cross paths!!! Ruby waited for him as the police escorted him out of the station. He stalked him. He wasn't randomly there! He was up close and personal! And they even jammed for a bit before he shot him! Ruby played a mean guitar. Here's the pic. They may have allowed Ruby so close in order to kill him (or somebody who was there to do the job), but he didn't happen to randomly walk there after Western Union and say "Wow! There's LHO! Kill him!" Geez... I may agree with you LA RAM FAN, but I find it hard to believe he's paid (after all this time) and not misinformed...

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Ruby was at Western Union at 11:17
He shot Oswald at 11:21

Hardly the actions of a stalker waiting for his prey

Here's the question for you. Is there any evidence that it was actually Ruby at WU at 11:17, and not somebody pretending to be Ruby? And what was the transaction? And who was the transaction between?

Follow the money. Ruby killed LHO and was arrested at the scene. I don't think he expected to live. But he did. For several years. So why would someone make a transaction in his name at WU minutes before? And who was the money transferred to?

Remember, this part of it wasn't planned for long. Ruby was a last-minute thing, called to do a job on one day's notice. He knew he would die, so somebody cleaned out his accounts and moved them elsewhere. Where did that money go?

Evidence? Like investigators going to Western Union with a picture of Ruby and the clerk saying..."Yes that is the guy". Like the Western Union receipt in Ruby's pocket four minutes later?

The money was sent to one of Ruby's strippers who needed to pay her rent. Why would that take precedence over killing Oswald?
If they had announced that Oswald would be transferred at 10 AM, why would Ruby be sending money at 11:17? If he had a job to do (kill Oswald) he would have waited around the station since 9:45

Why would Ruby take his favorite dog Sheba with him to the shooting? If I thought I was only going to the Western Union office, I would bring my dog. If I knew I was going to kill someone and definitely be killed or arrested, I would have made arrangements for someone to watch my dog.

So who, in your estimation, was arrested at the scene of the murder of LHO?

 

[RWS]

The whole Jack Ruby dimension basically proves the friends in high places argument is dumb.

Oswald may have had some friends in high places to move between nations like he did. Those same friends (if they wanted to clip him) would have had him commit suicide in private elsewhere.

Are you an "Into the Badlands" fan? I love the "clipper" reference if so! Great show!!

 

[yiostheoy]

Witnesses are notoriously UN-reliable.

And echoes happen in canyons and big cities.

 

[RWS]

But the reliability of people guessing stuff 50+ years later based on stuff they read, is much lower than the reliability of witness statements that were there at the time of occurrence and recorded.

And they said there were multiple shooters from different directions.

It's like UFO's. Large amounts of people agree that they saw something at the same time and are sure about it, all over the country and world, but eventually the government gets the rest of the public to think they saw something else, like swamp gas. Because they don't want the public to really know and understand what it is those people really saw. The JFK assassination investigation was actually treated with less respect than the UFO investigations at the time.

People are sheep, so they accept things over time if repeated often enough.

 

[rightwinger]

JFK Assassination (November 1963): Why did Jack Ruby kill Lee Harvey Oswald? - Quora

Shortly before the Dallas police tried to transfer Lee Harvey Oswald to the sheriff's jail in the police station basement, Jack Ruby was purchasing a money order at a Western Union office across the street from the police station in order to help one of the strippers at his nightclub with making her rent money. According to Western Union records, Ruby's receipt was time stamped at 11:17 AM. Ruby then walks across the street to the police station while the police are transferring Oswald. Impulsively, Ruby shoots Oswald at 11:21 AM, just four minutes after leaving the Western Union office. Coincidentally, Lee Harvey Oswald delayed his own transfer by insisting on changing into a black sweater before going into the basement. If Ruby had either finished his transaction at the Western Union office either a few minutes earlier or a few minutes later, Oswald and Ruby would never have crossed paths for the shooting to happen. Similarly, if Oswald hadn't decided to put on a black sweater and delay his own transfer, Oswald and Ruby wouldn't have crossed paths either. If there had been a conspiracy to kill Oswald, Oswald would have had to have been in on the conspiracy himself, because he was the one responsible for the delays in his transfer to the jail in the police station basement.

They didn't cross paths!!! Ruby waited for him as the police escorted him out of the station. He stalked him. He wasn't randomly there! He was up close and personal! And they even jammed for a bit before he shot him! Ruby played a mean guitar. Here's the pic. They may have allowed Ruby so close in order to kill him (or somebody who was there to do the job), but he didn't happen to randomly walk there after Western Union and say "Wow! There's LHO! Kill him!" Geez... I may agree with you LA RAM FAN, but I find it hard to believe he's paid (after all this time) and not misinformed...

/

Ruby was at Western Union at 11:17
He shot Oswald at 11:21

Hardly the actions of a stalker waiting for his prey

Here's the question for you. Is there any evidence that it was actually Ruby at WU at 11:17, and not somebody pretending to be Ruby? And what was the transaction? And who was the transaction between?

Follow the money. Ruby killed LHO and was arrested at the scene. I don't think he expected to live. But he did. For several years. So why would someone make a transaction in his name at WU minutes before? And who was the money transferred to?

Remember, this part of it wasn't planned for long. Ruby was a last-minute thing, called to do a job on one day's notice. He knew he would die, so somebody cleaned out his accounts and moved them elsewhere. Where did that money go?

Evidence? Like investigators going to Western Union with a picture of Ruby and the clerk saying..."Yes that is the guy". Like the Western Union receipt in Ruby's pocket four minutes later?

The money was sent to one of Ruby's strippers who needed to pay her rent. Why would that take precedence over killing Oswald?
If they had announced that Oswald would be transferred at 10 AM, why would Ruby be sending money at 11:17? If he had a job to do (kill Oswald) he would have waited around the station since 9:45

Why would Ruby take his favorite dog Sheba with him to the shooting? If I thought I was only going to the Western Union office, I would bring my dog. If I knew I was going to kill someone and definitely be killed or arrested, I would have made arrangements for someone to watch my dog.

So who, in your estimation, was arrested at the scene of the murder of LHO?

It was in all the newspapers
It was Jack Ruby

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.^

Notice how agent rightwinger can only post a funny when he knows he ie defeated and cant counter pesky facts?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

But the reliability of people guessing stuff 50+ years later based on stuff they read, is much lower than the reliability of witness statements that were there at the time of occurrence and recorded.

And they said there were multiple shooters from different directions.

It's like UFO's. Large amounts of people agree that they saw something at the same time and are sure about it, all over the country and world, but eventually the government gets the rest of the public to think they saw something else, like swamp gas. Because they don't want the public to really know and understand what it is those people really saw. The JFK assassination investigation was actually treated with less respect than the UFO investigations at the time.

People are sheep, so they accept things over time if repeated often enough.

plus many dont want to accept it that they live in a facist dictatership and that it is not a free country like they have been brainwashed by our corrupt school system to believe their whole lives.

I have to go and leave at a ballgame when i hear the national anthem sung because that is the biggest lie when they say-the land of the free when it SHOULD be the land of the oppressed.suh propaganda BS.whats sick though is all those brainwashed thousands of sheep who salute the flag and sing the sing,they dont get it they are not saluting their country,they are saluting our corrupt government institutions and bankers since THEY are the ones who control the country.

 

[rightwinger]

But the reliability of people guessing stuff 50+ years later based on stuff they read, is much lower than the reliability of witness statements that were there at the time of occurrence and recorded.

And they said there were multiple shooters from different directions.

It's like UFO's. Large amounts of people agree that they saw something at the same time and are sure about it, all over the country and world, but eventually the government gets the rest of the public to think they saw something else, like swamp gas. Because they don't want the public to really know and understand what it is those people really saw. The JFK assassination investigation was actually treated with less respect than the UFO investigations at the time.

People are sheep, so they accept things over time if repeated often enough.

plus many dont want to accept it that they live in a facist dictatership and that it is not a free country like they have been brainwashed by our corrupt school system to believe their whole lives.

I have to go and leave at a ballgame when i hear the national anthem spoken like sung because that is the biggest lie when they say-the land of the free when it SHOULD be the land of the oppressed.suh propaganda BS.whats sick though is all those brainwashed thousands of sheep who salute the flag and sing the sing,they dont get it they are not saluting their country,they are saluting our corrupt government institutions and bankers since THEY are the ones who control the country.

Spoken like a true St Louis Rams fan

Completely delusional

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Witnesses are notoriously UN-reliable.

And echoes happen in canyons and big cities.

wow if you are saying oswald shot kennedy then the only research you have done in your whole life is read the text from our corrupt school system.


oh and many of those witnesses were very credible some being police officers and even a combat officer who had his camera stolen from him by an ALLEGED secret service agent behind the fence.

He is seen in the photo there and HE said he heard a loud booming shot that came from directly over his shoulder and a few feet behind him. His basic training in the army told him to duck down immediately and ALSO told him the shots were directly BEHIND him. AFTER the shots,that was when that alleged secret service agent came and stole his camera.he said he pointed a gun at him and threatened to shoot him if he did not hand over his camera.

pretty hard to believe that was a secret service agent as he said he was because all secret servicemen were accounted for being in their vehicles and not on the knoll. since that was not a secret servicemen who confiscated his camera,who was that impersonating him?


oh not to mention that there were also multple unaccountle bullets of photos taken that could not be traced back to oswald.one being in the windshield that a police officer said was an ENTRANCE shot,which was later destroyed on orders by Lyndon johnson.a bullet that was found on the grassy where witnesses were standing that an FBI agent put in his pocket as seen in photos.

deal with it,it was a conspiracy.

stick with football,that is something you actually KNOW what you are talking about.