The Irish... And Who Didn't 'Help' Them Succeed

[PoliticalChic]

Today, in consideration of Saint Patrick's Day, a look at the journey of the Irish in America.

The Irish were the first ethnic minority in American cities, and their history shows the classic pattern of new comers to the urban economy, and society. Starting at the very bottom of the urban occupational ladder, with the men as laborers and the woman as maids. Housing was far worse than urban slums today. Thomas Sowell, "Ethnic America," chapter one.

"The French sociologist, Gustave de Beaumont, visited Ireland in 1835 and wrote: "I have seen the Indian in his forests, and the Negro in his chains, and thought, as I contemplated their pitiable condition, that I saw the very extreme of human wretchedness; but I did not then know the condition of unfortunate Ireland...In all countries, more or less, paupers may be discovered; but an entire nation of paupers is what was never seen until it was shown in Ireland." Slaves in the United States had a greater life expectancy than peasants in Ireland." The West Awake: Barry Clifford: The Democide Of Ireland In The 1800's




1. I wonder if any saw the 2015 film "Black Mass," based on the 2001 book Black Mass: The True Story of an Unholy Alliance Between the FBI and the Irish Mob by Dick Lehr and Gerard O'Neill. Pretty good flic....but couldn't show the depth of the corruption....
So I picked up a copy of Howie Carr's book, "The Brothers Bulger," same topic.

It is the story of arch criminal, serial killer, and gangland boss, 'Whitey' Bulger, and his brother, political boss, Billy Bulger, in Boston.


But, today being Saint Patrick's Day, this is not about Whitey...but about the Irish.
In the tale, Carr recounts a history of the journey of the Irish, fighting to succeed in a new land, and doing so on their own.
By that, I mean without the "help" of the Liberals, as that "help" was applied to African-Americans.


2. Ann Coulter writes: " It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived.


a. In fact, black Americans were doing better in individual pursuits than many immigrants. Barone compared their American journey to the Irish: “Both rise smartly in hierarchies (government bureaucracies, the military) but haven't fared as well in free-market commerce.” http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/941114/archive_013670.htm




3. As to the Bulgers: "Their father, James, was raised in Bosnon's North End, where many of the city's Irish immigrants initially settled,....the Bulgers were poor. As they grew up, all of them, even Whitey, would seek jobs with the government. The Bulgers distrusted all types of private enterprise, perhaps because of a railroad accident in which their father, a third-generation laborer, caught his arm between two boxcars and had to have it amputated.

A straw boss explained that a one-armed laborer was of no further use and fired him. The railroad calculated the wages due him- up to the time he had fallen, mangled, to the cinder bed- paid him, and forgot him.

James Bulger Sr.'s predicament was a common-enough predicament in those days. Many Irish politicians wee raised in homes where the father was either dead or maimed after an industrial accident.

At that time, there were no disability pensions, no workman's comp, no doles of any sort. Life insurance was for the wealthy. If you were unable to work, your family was consigned to a life of poverty."
Carr, Op. Cit.


a. "After the accident, the Bulgers drifted from one apartment to another in Dorchester until 1938, when they heard about a new public housing project in South Boston called Old Colony Harbor, the second such public housing project in the nation." Ibid.



4. "Permanent, federally funded housing came into being in the United States as a part of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal. Title II, Section 202 of the National Industrial Recovery Act, passed June 16, 1933, directed the Public Works Administration (PWA) to develop a program for the "construction, reconstruction, alteration, or repair under public regulation or control of low-cost housing and slum-clearance projects...".

Led by the Housing Division of the PWA and headed by architect Robert Kohn, the initial, Limited-Dividend Program aimed to provide low-interest loans to public or private groups to fund the construction of low-income housing..... between 1934 and 1937 the Housing Division, now headed by Colonel Horatio B. Hackett, constructed fifty-two housing projects across the United States, as well as Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Atlanta's Techwood Homes opened on 1 September 1936 and was the first of the fifty-two opened." Public housing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Poverty, the open animosity of earlier immigrants....."No Irish Need Apply".....

Sounds familiar.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The Irish pulled up their boots and went to work. Unlike a certain other faction that demand reparations, have been given every opportunity to better themselves through affirmative action and other programs and STILL can't make anything of themselves.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well....maybe the Liberals did help the Irish....after all, it was Roosevelt who instituted housing projects.....



5. "The projects were a boon for the Bulger family....among the first families to move in. At the time, three children....quickly followed by three more....In the projects, the Bulgers had three bedroom- one for the parents, one for the boys and one for the girls.
It was on the top floor, the third. The rent was $29 a month.



6. There had been Irish in Boston almost since the beginning. But they didn not begin arriving en masse until the 1840s, when the Irish Potato Famine began. Between 1850 and 1855, the Irish population of Boston tripled.
Most were from the west, beyond the Pale as it was known. " Carr, Op. Cit.


Blacks came to America about 20 years earlier....and not as slaves, but as indentured servants.
Cheap labor....another similarity between the Irish and blacks.



a. Beyond the Pale: "...the part of Ireland that was directly under the control of the English government in the late Middle Ages. It had been reduced by the late 15th century to an area along the east coast stretching from Dalkey, south of Dublin, to the garrison town ofDundalk.... The term continues to be used in contemporary Irish speech to refer to County Dublin and its commuter towns, generally critically—for example, a government department may be criticised for concentrating its resources on the Pale." The Pale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wait.....perhaps the Liberals did help the Irish.....after all Roosevelt was the one who instituted housing projects.....



5. "The projects were a boon for the Bulger family....among the first families to move in. At the time, three children....quickly followed by three more....In the projects, the Bulgers had three bedroom- one for the parents, one for the boys and one for the girls.

It was on the top floor, the third. The rent was $29 a month.



6. There had been Irish in Boston almost since the beginning. But they didn not begin arriving en masse until the 1840s, when the Irish Potato Famine began. Between 1850 and 1855, the Irish population of Boston tripled.
Most were from the west, beyond the Pale as it was known. " Carr, Op. Cit.


Blacks came to America about 20 years earlier....and not as slaves, but as indentured servants.
Cheap labor....another similarity between the Irish and blacks.



a. Beyond the Pale: "...the part of Ireland that was directly under the control of the English government in the late Middle Ages. It had been reduced by the late 15th century to an area along the east coast stretching from Dalkey, south of Dublin, to the garrison town of Dundalk.... The term continues to be used in contemporary Irish speech to refer to County Dublin and its commuter towns, generally critically—for example, a government department may be criticised for concentrating its resources on the Pale." The Pale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dot Com]

Why can't you just say "Happy St Paddy's Day" rw tinfoil girl?

Instead you pen another one of your zany manifestos

 

[PoliticalChic]

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Have you seen anything in the posts with which you disagree?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Have you seen anything in the posts with which you disagree?

Not really, my point is the Irish overcame bigotry and made their way...others seem to have a problem doing that regardless of all the "help" they have been given. It doesn't help the democrats use that very thing for votes, every time I hear a democrat wailing about the plight of the blacks I roll my eyes, they are the ones keeping them down

 

[NYcarbineer]

Today, in consideration of Saint Patrick's Day, a look at the journey of the Irish in America.

The Irish were the first ethnic minority in American cities, and their history shows the classic pattern of new comers to the urban economy, and society. Starting at the very bottom of the urban occupational ladder, with the men as laborers and the woman as maids. Housing was far worse than urban slums today. Thomas Sowell, "Ethnic America," chapter one.

"The French sociologist, Gustave de Beaumont, visited Ireland in 1835 and wrote: "I have seen the Indian in his forests, and the Negro in his chains, and thought, as I contemplated their pitiable condition, that I saw the very extreme of human wretchedness; but I did not then know the condition of unfortunate Ireland...In all countries, more or less, paupers may be discovered; but an entire nation of paupers is what was never seen until it was shown in Ireland." Slaves in the United States had a greater life expectancy than peasants in Ireland." The West Awake: Barry Clifford: The Democide Of Ireland In The 1800's




1. I wonder if any saw the 2015 film "Black Mass," based on the 2001 book Black Mass: The True Story of an Unholy Alliance Between the FBI and the Irish Mob by Dick Lehr and Gerard O'Neill. Pretty good flic....but couldn't show the depth of the corruption....
So I picked up a copy of Howie Carr's book, "The Brothers Bulger," same topic.

It is the story of arch criminal, serial killer, and gangland boss, 'Whitey' Bulger, and his brother, political boss, Billy Bulger, in Boston.


But, today being Saint Patrick's Day, this is not about Whitey...but about the Irish.
In the tale, Carr recounts a history of the journey of the Irish, fighting to succeed in a new land, and doing so on their own.
By that, I mean without the "help" of the Liberals, as that "help" was applied to African-Americans.


2. Ann Coulter writes: " It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived.


a. In fact, black Americans were doing better in individual pursuits than many immigrants. Barone compared their American journey to the Irish: “Both rise smartly in hierarchies (government bureaucracies, the military) but haven't fared as well in free-market commerce.” http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/941114/archive_013670.htm




3. As to the Bulgers: "Their father, James, was raised in Bosnon's North End, where many of the city's Irish immigrants initially settled,....the Bulgers were poor. As they grew up, all of them, even Whitey, would seek jobs with the government. The Bulgers distrusted all types of private enterprise, perhaps because of a railroad accident in which their father, a third-generation laborer, caught his arm between two boxcars and had to have it amputated.

A straw boss explained that a one-armed laborer was of no further use and fired him. The railroad calculated the wages due him- up to the time he had fallen, mangled, to the cinder bed- paid him, and forgot him.

James Bulger Sr.'s predicament was a common-enough predicament in those days. Many Irish politicians wee raised in homes where the father was either dead or maimed after an industrial accident.

At that time, there were no disability pensions, no workman's comp, no doles of any sort. Life insurance was for the wealthy. If you were unable to work, your family was consigned to a life of poverty."
Carr, Op. Cit.


a. "After the accident, the Bulgers drifted from one apartment to another in Dorchester until 1938, when they heard about a new public housing project in South Boston called Old Colony Harbor, the second such public housing project in the nation." Ibid.



4. "Permanent, federally funded housing came into being in the United States as a part of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal. Title II, Section 202 of the National Industrial Recovery Act, passed June 16, 1933, directed the Public Works Administration (PWA) to develop a program for the "construction, reconstruction, alteration, or repair under public regulation or control of low-cost housing and slum-clearance projects...".

Led by the Housing Division of the PWA and headed by architect Robert Kohn, the initial, Limited-Dividend Program aimed to provide low-interest loans to public or private groups to fund the construction of low-income housing..... between 1934 and 1937 the Housing Division, now headed by Colonel Horatio B. Hackett, constructed fifty-two housing projects across the United States, as well as Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Atlanta's Techwood Homes opened on 1 September 1936 and was the first of the fifty-two opened." Public housing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Poverty, the open animosity of earlier immigrants....."No Irish Need Apply".....

Sounds familiar.

So the Irish race is superior to the black race? Is that your point?

Or is it just whites in general who are superior to the black race?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

The sum total of the creativity of people like you is how many ways you can come up with to disparage black people.

 

[Manchester]

The Irish pulled up their boots and went to work. Unlike a certain other faction that demand reparations, have been given every opportunity to better themselves through affirmative action and other programs and STILL can't make anything of themselves.

Perhaps if the Irish in Ireland did that then their country wouldn't be a third world armpit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Have you seen anything in the posts with which you disagree?

Not really, my point is the Irish overcame bigotry and made their way...others seem to have a problem doing that regardless of all the "help" they have been given. It doesn't help the democrats use that very thing for votes, every time I hear a democrat wailing about the plight of the blacks I roll my eyes, they are the ones keeping them down

I fully intend to document that, and show that, as is the usual case, Liberalism is a failure based on good intentions but a lack of understanding of human nature.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Have you seen anything in the posts with which you disagree?

Not really, my point is the Irish overcame bigotry and made their way...others seem to have a problem doing that regardless of all the "help" they have been given. It doesn't help the democrats use that very thing for votes, every time I hear a democrat wailing about the plight of the blacks I roll my eyes, they are the ones keeping them down

I fully intend to document that, and show that, as is the usual case, Liberalism is a failure based on good intentions but a lack of understanding of human nature.

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Have you seen anything in the posts with which you disagree?

Not really, my point is the Irish overcame bigotry and made their way...others seem to have a problem doing that regardless of all the "help" they have been given. It doesn't help the democrats use that very thing for votes, every time I hear a democrat wailing about the plight of the blacks I roll my eyes, they are the ones keeping them down

The number one conservative myth.

 

[Theowl32]

The Irish pulled up their boots and went to work. Unlike a certain other faction that demand reparations, have been given every opportunity to better themselves through affirmative action and other programs and STILL can't make anything of themselves.

In all fairness to THOSE PEOPLE, there is not a daily barrage and a concerted effort to convince EVERYONE from Ireland that they are VICTIMS of white people. Since, they are of course white people.

As a result of this strategy (read my signature) the democrats have turned THOSE PEOPLE into a large block of robotic votes. Ironic, how the party of the KKK.....

Oh never mind. The result of a lifetime of a group of people (anyone that is not white especially blacks) being convinced that they are victims is the result of all that we see.

As a result we have a group of people that are offended if you hint that ALL lives matter. The democrats have really done a number on the blacks in this country. All patronizing racist pieces of shit.

 

[FJO]

In my almost forgotten youth, I spent St. Patrick's Day in the tavern, drinking green beer, showing the world how a non-Irish person can drink an Irish person under the table.

I had to put up with the slogan, promoted by those claimed of Irish ancestry: Any person not Irish wish he Hell they were.

My answer to that was: Any person who are Irish wish the Hell they were not.

After all these years and after all the fist fights we are still friends.

 

[GHook93]

Why can't you just say "Happy St Paddy's Day" rw tinfoil girl?

Instead you pen another one of your zany manifestos

Because it is a political message board! If you don't like it go to your Facebook page and announce it!

 

[AquaAthena]

Well....maybe the Liberals did help the Irish....after all, it was Roosevelt who instituted housing projects.....



5. "The projects were a boon for the Bulger family....among the first families to move in. At the time, three children....quickly followed by three more....In the projects, the Bulgers had three bedroom- one for the parents, one for the boys and one for the girls.
It was on the top floor, the third. The rent was $29 a month.



6. There had been Irish in Boston almost since the beginning. But they didn not begin arriving en masse until the 1840s, when the Irish Potato Famine began. Between 1850 and 1855, the Irish population of Boston tripled.
Most were from the west, beyond the Pale as it was known. " Carr, Op. Cit.


Blacks came to America about 20 years earlier....and not as slaves, but as indentured servants.
Cheap labor....another similarity between the Irish and blacks.



a. Beyond the Pale: "...the part of Ireland that was directly under the control of the English government in the late Middle Ages. It had been reduced by the late 15th century to an area along the east coast stretching from Dalkey, south of Dublin, to the garrison town ofDundalk.... The term continues to be used in contemporary Irish speech to refer to County Dublin and its commuter towns, generally critically—for example, a government department may be criticised for concentrating its resources on the Pale." The Pale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Great posts this fine day, PoliticalChic. So little I knew.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The Irish pulled up their boots and went to work. Unlike a certain other faction that demand reparations, have been given every opportunity to better themselves through affirmative action and other programs and STILL can't make anything of themselves.

Perhaps if the Irish in Ireland did that then their country wouldn't be a third world armpit.

How's the "refugee" situation in Germany? You clowns have been played

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Have you seen anything in the posts with which you disagree?

Not really, my point is the Irish overcame bigotry and made their way...others seem to have a problem doing that regardless of all the "help" they have been given. It doesn't help the democrats use that very thing for votes, every time I hear a democrat wailing about the plight of the blacks I roll my eyes, they are the ones keeping them down

I fully intend to document that, and show that, as is the usual case, Liberalism is a failure based on good intentions but a lack of understanding of human nature.

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Have you seen anything in the posts with which you disagree?

Not really, my point is the Irish overcame bigotry and made their way...others seem to have a problem doing that regardless of all the "help" they have been given. It doesn't help the democrats use that very thing for votes, every time I hear a democrat wailing about the plight of the blacks I roll my eyes, they are the ones keeping them down

The number one conservative myth.

Because you say it's a myth means nothing, you're constantly spewing shit about things you know little of

 

[AquaAthena]

Read the book White Cargo, it will tell you everything you need to know about the plight of the Irish in America


White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Have you seen anything in the posts with which you disagree?

Not really, my point is the Irish overcame bigotry and made their way...others seem to have a problem doing that regardless of all the "help" they have been given. It doesn't help the democrats use that very thing for votes, every time I hear a democrat wailing about the plight of the blacks I roll my eyes, they are the ones keeping them down

That lack of government help made my Irish ancestors succeed in the highest sense. I am so proud of us all.