CDZ The Iranian nuclear deal: a deeper look

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Do you think that the deal was beneficial overall?

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  2. No

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    hello, im still alive.
    I think I am going to have to call social services and report you for domestic abuse, because you're beating your straw man pretty badly.
     
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    Excellent response------since I posted-----Iran has moved to tighten its grip on the vital port city of aden.------you should practice those celebratory dance steps
     
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    rosie91, PhilosphyBeforeParty, et al,

    I guess that when all is said and done, the real issue are:
    • Do we trust Iran enough?
    • Is the framework of the Agreement such that it can be enforced?
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    On face value, the Agreement [AKA: Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)] between Iran and the E3/EU+3 (China, France, Germany, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States, with the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy) and the Islamic Republic of Iran seems firm enough. It covers the basic --- for a period of time into the future. The agreement covers the application of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) with the stipulation that Iran never seek, develop or
    acquire any nuclear weapons.

    The agreement covers all the basics:
    • The IAEA monitoring and protocols.
    • Prohibition on enrichment and uranium enrichment-related activities for 8 years.
    • Limitations on uranium enrichment capacity and centrifuges (10 Years)
    • Requirement that a long-term plan for uranium enrichment-related activities, including safeguarded R&D exclusively in the 3.6% level at: Natanz Enrichment facility and Fordow. (15 years)
    • Iran, it will keep its uranium stockpile under 300 kg of up to 3.67% enriched uranium hexafluoride (UF6) (15 years)
    • Heavy Water limitations -- redesign and rebuild a modernized research reactor in using fuel enriched up to 3.67 % (15 years)
    • No production of weapons grade plutonium. (Ever)
    • Disposition of spent fuel from Arak (Lifetime of the reactor.)
    • A long-term IAEA presence in Iran; IAEA monitoring of uranium ore concentrate produced by Iran from all uranium ore concentrate plants (25 years)
    • Iran will not engage in activities, including at the R&D level, that could contribute to the development of a nuclear explosive device, including uranium or plutonium metallurgy activities. (Ever)
    What exactly are we opposed to? I am surprised that we could get the Iran and the E3/EU+3 to simultaneously agree on such a complex issue. But do I really think that Iran will live-up to its obligation for 8, 10, 15, and 25 years spans? (Rhetorical) It doesn't matter what I think, it is a matter of "trust" and perceived "intentions."

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Mr R-----I believe that matters will get very very complicated -----
    long before that rhetorical 25 years pass. The matter may
    become moot
     
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    I would have to disagree that it is a matter of trust: according to the deal, IAEA inspectors will have access to all of Iran's nuclear facilities, and anything that they deem "suspicious". to deny inspectors access to any facility would be in violation of the deal. I is also much harder than many people think to create a nuclear bomb in secret-especially when there are people will access to all of you facilities whose job it is to make sure you are not doing so.
     
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    very chamberlain of you. Come back here and talk "friends" in three years
     
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    this is a very different situation that pre WWII germany, and the deal is not appeasement.
     
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    It is BEYOND appeasement-----it is encouragement of a virulently
    imperialist agenda. Iran marches on in concert with Russia -----to
    forcibly gain complete control of waterways vital for world trade
     
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    here is what I suggest you do: first, red the deal. you obviously haven't done that. and second, read up on your recent history. then come back.
     

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